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Author Topic: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough  (Read 16844 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2014, 12:51:30 PM »

Yes I would agree, I do not know of any possibility to change 112g/h2 into 1000g/h2, where is that stated? if they can do that then just ordinary power consuming electrolysis would be a game winner ;D


My point is that the hydrogen in water is the only component required, so the oxygen is used to create energy to drive part of the system, kill two birds with one stone, remove oxygen and reduce energy costs just to create hydrogen.


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The 1 liter of water to 1kg of hydrogen claim is in their PR.  They note that it is "impossible".  http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/breakthrough-in-hydrogen-production-provides-the-cheapest-fuel-source-game-changer-for-the-global-energy-market-249754851.html


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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2014, 12:58:46 PM »
OK, I would agree, impossible ;)


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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2014, 02:08:48 PM »
Yes . The Claimants also agree its not possible , the "every 5th grader Knows"" comment in their press release
 
So they have a certified lab report [EPA certified] that is somebody's reputation on the line right there!

The claim must be Transmutation ....
 
@ Mark E
There was a case recently in social media where a young startup turned down 3 billion dollars for his new idea/product.[wanted more....]
 
hunting for the proper market/money is in no way a red flag in this case.
 
                      They aggressively solicit investigation

""Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. stands by its performance claims and welcomes other independent performance measurements of its hydrogen reactor input/output by the media and leading industry experts.""
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As Mark Dansie stated in his opening post.
This would change everything..
 
thx
Chet
 
 

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2014, 02:08:48 PM »
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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2014, 02:49:48 PM »
And so you should question it, because one liter of water weighs one kilogram, close enough.... and as Paul-R pointed out above, water is mostly oxygen (atomic weight 16, one atom per water molecule), not hydrogen (atomic weight 1, with two atoms per water molecule), with a ratio of 16:2 or 8 to 1 by weight. So either the reporting is wrong, or the claimants are wrong, or they are creating matter from nothing. What is most likely to be true, from those alternatives?
You are quite right, TK. My mistake.

The other thing is that there is no mention in USPTO of solar hydrogen trends, either as inventor, or assignee or as their AANM tag. Nor a response for Agaanyan or Balakiryan.

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2014, 03:57:04 PM »
Yes . The Claimants also agree its not possible , the "every 5th grader Knows"" comment in their press release
 
So they have a certified lab report [EPA certified] that is somebody's reputation on the line right there!

The claim must be Transmutation ....
 
@ Mark E
There was a case recently in social media where a young startup turned down 3 billion dollars for his new idea/product.[wanted more....]
 
hunting for the proper market/money is in no way a red flag in this case.
 
                      They aggressively solicit investigation

""Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. stands by its performance claims and welcomes other independent performance measurements of its hydrogen reactor input/output by the media and leading industry experts.""
---------------------------
As Mark Dansie stated in his opening post.
This would change everything..
 
thx
Chet
The physics claims are impossible.  The garden path works like this:  "You are getting very sleepy.  You feel relaxed.  You have forgotten that hydrogen is not a primary fuel stock.  Your eyelids are so very heavy.  You cannot remember that the energy required to separate hydrogen from compounds it is bound to always exceeds the energy that can be released forming new bonds with the same or other substances.  Your wallet is feeling so heavy.  It is so unbearably full of money.  You cannot hold the thought that neither energy nor matter can be created or destroyed.  Your money is such a terrible burden.  When you awake you will feel better each time you buy our stock.  The more of our stock you buy, the better you will feel.  You can feel your wallet getting lighter now.  Each time your wallet gets lighter, you feel happier and more relaxed..."

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2014, 04:50:26 PM »
Mark E
 
you forgot...."all things are possible"!
 
For myself" Prejudice with out investigation" is not an option.
 
We shall see?
 
Chet
 
 
 

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2014, 06:35:14 PM »
If this is real its game over. However i question their claim of getting 1kg of hydrogen out of one liter of water


http://revolution-green.com/hydrogen-production-breakthrough/


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From: http://revolution-green.com/hydrogen-production-breakthrough/
SOLAR HYDROGEN TRENDS INC. have claimed to have developed a reactor that with an input of 500 watts,  produces an output of 2,797 cubic feet of hydrogen per hour”
 
If they can produce any gas at that Volumetric Rate under STP conditions (standard temperature and pressure at the outlet) using 500 Watts, then in effect they demonstrate a 4.4  to 1 direct mechanical theoretical overunity.  Even with 50% overall conversion losses, they should be able to self loop (mechanical <-> electrical) and get more than 1 watt net out for every watt recycled…
Is the demo completed already?
 
Thanks for posting.
Mike
 

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2014, 07:58:32 PM »

From: http://revolution-green.com/hydrogen-production-breakthrough/
SOLAR HYDROGEN TRENDS INC. have claimed to have developed a reactor that with an input of 500 watts,  produces an output of 2,797 cubic feet of hydrogen per hour”
 
If they can produce any gas at that Volumetric Rate under STP conditions (standard temperature and pressure at the outlet) using 500 Watts, then in effect they demonstrate a 4.4  to 1 direct mechanical theoretical overunity.  Even with 50% overall conversion losses, they should be able to self loop (mechanical <-> electrical) and get more than 1 watt net out for every watt recycled…
Is the demo completed already?
 
Thanks for posting.
Mike


                                                 They claim
             a chemical 440X/electrical 220X amplifying factor not a 4,4 factor !


             221KWh chemical output dividing with 0,5 KWh electrical input !
110KWh converted (50% lost)electrical output dividing with 0,5 KWh electrical input
 and with such a factor a partial feedback cycle is ever possible,
                           perpetuum hydrogen plant work concept


                          I.T.E.R.: low budget version ::)

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2014, 08:32:59 PM »

                                                 They claim
             a chemical 440X/electrical 220X amplifying factor not a 4,4 factor !


             221KWh chemical output dividing with 0,5 KWh electrical input !
110KWh converted (50% lost)electrical output dividing with 0,5 KWh electrical input
 and with such a factor a partial feedback cycle is ever possible,
                           perpetuum hydrogen plant work concept


                          I.T.E.R.: low budget version ::)

You've miseread my post - there was no mention of chemical conversion energy output. ONLY theoretcal mechanical.! 
 
Thanks
Mike

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2014, 11:38:06 PM »
You are quite right, TK. My mistake.

The other thing is that there is no mention in USPTO of solar hydrogen trends, either as inventor, or assignee or as their AANM tag. Nor a response for Agaanyan or Balakiryan.
You didn't make a mistake. Your (2/18) x (start mass) gives the correct mass of the hydrogen in the water. I just did it differently: the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen by atomic weight in water H2O is 2:16 or 1:8, so water is one part hydrogen and eight parts oxygen, by weight. Same answer as you got.
You have 2/18 parts hydrogen and 16/18 parts oxygen, for a ratio of 2:16 or 1:8, same as me.


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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2014, 12:54:16 AM »
Mark E
 
you forgot...."all things are possible"!
 
For myself" Prejudice with out investigation" is not an option.
 
We shall see?
 
Chet
Chet, we have this thing called S C I E N C E.  It is the collective work of millions over hundreds of years.  To date, it has some First Principles that we have found inviolable.  Those include that matter/energy are conserved.

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2014, 01:27:21 AM »
Mark
the collective works of men will build upon and improve that thing called science ,   hopefully forever more.
 
and just like days gone by we will have moments like this all along the way.
profound and defining changes in the possibilities and potentials.
 
we'll see if these fellows want to discuss this claim on Monday?
I am intrigued
thx
Chet
 
 

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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2014, 05:02:16 AM »
Mark
the collective works of men will build upon and improve that thing called science ,   hopefully forever more.
 
and just like days gone by we will have moments like this all along the way.
profound and defining changes in the possibilities and potentials.
 
we'll see if these fellows want to discuss this claim on Monday?
I am intrigued
thx
Chet
We have had and will continue to have lots of moments when the deluded and charlatans alike make absurdly ridiculous claims.  In the instant one we have a claim of matter / energy creation with absolutely no supporting evidence.  A smog test does not evaluate transmutation.  Nor does it evaluate claims of energy creation.  These guys are completely FoS.

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Re: Hydrogen Production Breakthrough
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2014, 08:46:46 AM »

Is it a confusion between Kg and litres?

http://www.rexresearch.com/kanarev/kanarev4.htm

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"One liter of hydrogen weighs 0.09 g; one liter of oxygen weighs 1.47 g. It means that it is possible to produce 111.11 / 0.09 = 1234.44 liters of hydrogen and 888.89 / 1.47 = 604.69 liters of oxygen from one liter of water. It appears from this that one gram of water contains 1.23 liters of hydrogen. Energy consumption for production of 1000 liters of hydrogen is 4 kWh and for one liter 4 Wh. As it is possible to produce 1.234 liters of hydrogen from one gram of water, 1.234 x 4 = 4.94 Wh is spent for hydrogen production from one gram of water now."



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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2014, 09:10:03 AM »
Is it a confusion between Kg and litres?

http://www.rexresearch.com/kanarev/kanarev4.htm

Quote :

"One liter of hydrogen weighs 0.09 g; one liter of oxygen weighs 1.47 g. It means that it is possible to produce 111.11 / 0.09 = 1234.44 liters of hydrogen and 888.89 / 1.47 = 604.69 liters of oxygen from one liter of water. It appears from this that one gram of water contains 1.23 liters of hydrogen. Energy consumption for production of 1000 liters of hydrogen is 4 kWh and for one liter 4 Wh. As it is possible to produce 1.234 liters of hydrogen from one gram of water, 1.234 x 4 = 4.94 Wh is spent for hydrogen production from one gram of water now."
No, because they directly state that they are getting 1kg of hydrogen from one liter of water which they acknowledge "even a fifth grader" knows contains only 112g of hydrogen.

 

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