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Author Topic: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow  (Read 39693 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2014, 06:08:58 PM »
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timing diagrams instead of doing the  actual experiments

The construction of the timing diagram and explaining it IS the actual experiment.  You have to get real Dave!

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2014, 03:33:58 PM »
The last few days Iv been thinking about you Mr. MileHigh, for a man with your supposed electronics experience you are very unskilled or your ego is blinding or you are a paid government shill, I really havent made up my mind yet..........to me it really doesnt matter I will continue my work.
I have showed you evidence from not only cited articles from your own academic community stating that current runs from neg to pos, Iv shown training vids from the automotive industry stating that current flows from neg to pos.
I created a sim that shows how it works, how it creates femf and bemf, yet you continue to deny and criticize my work.
I even created a sim to show your supposed current flow direction, show me the femf and bemf in your system.
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Your system would create a dc response from a transformer, the electron current flow would create an ac response from a transformer with just a single pulse from a switch, why dont you try it and tell me which response you get.



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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2014, 04:14:56 PM »
You want me to show you a timing diagram, I showed you one in the simulation, you just dont understand it.

Where you fail in reading your scope is that each pulse creates a pos and neg response, but you dont understand what I mean by that do you.

In your scope you read only the voltage and only the amperage but do not realize how the magnetic field works, you do not realize each pulse creates both.

As the magnetic field builds it creates amperage and as it falls it creates voltage each move in different directions through the circuit.

I will show this in a sim when I have time, so you bring on your criticism and I'll do the sim.
I intend to do a sim showing this in an ac transformer as well, so bring it on.

You dont understand ac either but I will show you so stay tuned, maybe you should study the magnetic field.

Something else I should mention my sims dont actually show the magnetic field I use the term so you will understand, my sims show the A vector field, torsion field or whatever you want to call it.

Actually the magnetic field works like a stationary axle that the A vector field spins on.
You see while you were studying a false electronics theory I was studying the magnetic and electric fields so try to keep up.


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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2014, 04:14:56 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #63 on: April 07, 2014, 05:37:27 PM »
That's pretty neat. I've been meaning to do a similar experiment but my housemate has the freezer stuffed with fruit and corndogs.

Do you  have a comparison photo, of the same apparatus frozen the same way, but inert, without any current flowing in it?

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2014, 01:00:47 AM »
Dave:

The MIB card!!??  You blew my nose and then you blew my mind.

Watch this guy make REAL TIMING DIAGRAMS for a few simple circuits like yours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj2upmsCCIY

He demonstrates a fundamental understanding of how an inductor really works, something that you clearly have not grasped.  I was trying to get you to this point for your own enlightenment and benefit but failed.

More brain food for your starving mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky6cW_VDEGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLu5SvgUz1I

So you can try running with this valuable information that is absolutely true and you can verify it on the bench with your scope, or just continue wallowing in your willful ignorance in the Internet age.

MileHigh


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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2014, 01:00:47 AM »
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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2014, 04:07:41 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLu5SvgUz1I
http://makeagif.com/i/kdxfon
I really have more important work to attend to, Im wasting my time here.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2014, 11:34:06 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLu5SvgUz1I
http://makeagif.com/i/kdxfon
I really have more important work to attend to, Im wasting my time here.
Your "makeagif" site sure delivers some nice juicy p0rn popup ads!

Yep, I can tell that you have much more important work to do. Certainly you are wasting your time here... since you refuse to study, to perform actual experiments rather than demonstrations, or to carefully consider what MH and others have been telling you. You are sure that you are right, so why bother to waste your time?

But you really should try to think about why all those tiny and large inductors are sprinkled all over your computer's circuitry, and how your computer manages to operate at gigaHertz speeds, if everything that real EEs think they know about inductors and current flows in circuits is wrong.

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2014, 11:34:06 AM »
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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #67 on: April 08, 2014, 01:24:23 PM »
Yea I noticed the popups, you would think that would be censored or better yet eliminated, I used the site years ago and dont remember the trash being on there then.

I understand what your trying to point out and Im sure it works what Im trying to show is the mechanical function of the field, and as far as all the really smart EE's they use what they have been taught, just like you.

I am trying to show you there is an alternative, has your conventional view showed you how to harvest free energy, in how many years, 150 or so.

So after 150 years of paying for something that is free with no answers in sight wouldnt you think its worth a look.



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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #68 on: April 08, 2014, 01:37:33 PM »
What the electron current flow shows that the conventional method doesnt is that there is a polarity change in the returned spike
pulsed with negative.........pos return
pulsed with positive ........neg return.

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #68 on: April 08, 2014, 01:37:33 PM »
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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #69 on: April 08, 2014, 01:45:34 PM »
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As the magnetic field builds it creates amperage and as it falls it creates voltage each move in different directions through the circuit.

More like as the magnetic fields builds it is one in the same with the amperage.  It's the voltage applied across the coil that slowly overcomes the electrical inertia of the coil which results in current flow.  When the magnetic field falls it sustains the current flow and the current flowing into the load results in the generation of voltage.  So in the last example, it's really the resistor that creates the 10,000 volts.  The current is the cause and the voltage is the result for the case of a discharging inductor.

So you have a long long way to go to understand what you are observing.  Or you can keep your blinders on and do your thing while imaging that the "government is worried about Dave45 playing with his coils."

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #70 on: April 08, 2014, 02:13:06 PM »
Yea I noticed the popups, you would think that would be censored or better yet eliminated, I used the site years ago and dont remember the trash being on there then.

I understand what your trying to point out and Im sure it works what Im trying to show is the mechanical function of the field, and as far as all the really smart EE's they use what they have been taught, just like you.

I am trying to show you there is an alternative, has your conventional view showed you how to harvest free energy, in how many years, 150 or so.

So after 150 years of paying for something that is free with no answers in sight wouldnt you think its worth a look.

Dave, the right way to "show an alternative view" is to show that it predicts some kind of behaviour in an experimental system that is _not_ predicted by the conventional view, and then to conduct an experiment that tries to falsify that prediction... and fails to do so. Or looking at it another way, conduct a demonstration that shows the difference between the conventional and alternative predictions on a physical system.
So far, the "alternative views" don't seem to be able to do that. They either can't make coherent predictions about anything, they make the same predictions as the conventional view so aren't useful or interesting, or they fail to make _correct_ predictions about the behaviour of real systems, thus showing that they are not correct views, or at least not as correct as the conventional view.

Worth a look? Sure, show me something interesting that is worth a look. Why do you think I bother to read this forum? I'm looking for something interesting to look at. For example, your ice-coil patterns are interesting.... if they are really caused by the electric field from the coil and not some of the other couple of dozen third variables I can think of that might have influenced the pattern. That's why I asked for an image of a control test with no current but other things equal. You didn't respond so I "assume" that you did no such controls. Please prove me wrong by showing a control freeze, I really am interested and I really don't have room in my own freezer to try it.

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #70 on: April 08, 2014, 02:13:06 PM »
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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #71 on: April 08, 2014, 02:53:29 PM »
Yes Iv froze the container's with no current flow and no the organized field is not there.

Something interesting with no current applied the containers bust but with current Iv never had one break.

They say ice doesnt conduct electricity but it will if frozen with a magnetic field applied,

I did an experiment thats proves the existence of the aether years ago using the ice but never repeated or documented it.

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Re: Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow
« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2014, 12:43:18 PM »
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