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Author Topic: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile  (Read 93348 times)

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2011, 10:55:42 PM »
P.S: Here are the videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/overunitydotcom?feature=mhee#g/u

I am still uploading them all, so it can still take a few hours until they are all up.
These are all HD1080p movies.

Many thanks to my girlfriend Heidi who filmed also a few movies when I talked with Finsrud.
We had already driven about 6000 Km throughout Scandinavia when we visited Finsrud and
were a little bit exhausted. So excuse my sloppy outfit.


Finsruds own Website is at:
http://www.finsrud.info
« Last Edit: July 23, 2011, 04:13:11 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2011, 05:20:44 AM »
P.S: Here are the videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/overunitydotcom?feature=mhee#g/u

I am still uploading them all, so it can still take a few hours until they are all up.
These are all HD1080p movies.

Many thanks to my girlfriend Heidi who filmed also a few movies when I talked with Finsrud.
We had already driven about 6000 Km throughout Scandinavia when we visited Finsrud and
were a little bit exhausted. So excuse my sloppy outfit.


Finsruds own Website is at:
http://www.finsrud.info

will Finsrud let you add an induction coil or coils so that we can see if we can extract electricity from it. without it stopping.

if it works then Finsrud may be the next Einstein, maybe better than Einstein.

will he comply?

Jerry 8)

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2011, 10:33:18 AM »
Finsrud told me that this machine is so fine tuned so one hair straw will stop it. 'You cannot extract energy from this machine' he told me. However, I know the sound it makes are indeed energy - a point which me and Finsrud disagreed. He explained it away and told me that making sound almost does not require energy... . So from where does this sound energy come from? Anyways, in one article some years ago he said that there is three things we shouldn't dissecere: religion, Jesus, and a perpetuum mobile which works. Interpret this as you like. Without the mystery, this machine has no value.

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2011, 02:05:37 PM »
An explanation of the machine:

A steel ball is rolling on a circular track. The weight of the ball will cause the track to wobble slightly, by being tilted towards the weight of the ball. Initially the ball finds itself in the very "bottom" of the track - at all times the lowest point.

Starting this machine takes some time, and finally the ball has exited the pendulums at the right moments - the perfect sync. Above the track, there is three fixed magnets - 120 degrees apart. These magnets are located a few degrees after the mechanical trigger which makes the pendulums to move, but the flexible arm which the magnets are fixed on to, is a few degrees in front of the pendulum triggers, and close to the big pendulum in the center. When the ball pass by these magnets, the magnets are forced towards the ball for a short moment, a pulse which will reach other mechanical parts of the machine. This force is trigging the center pendulum to offset the wobbeling of the track, so the lowest point is slightly in front of the ball. Together with the moving attractive magnets on each three outer pendulums, will force the ball to move around and around the track until something is worn out enough to mess up the sync.

I could see on one of Stefans last videos, that on of the fixed magnets did not move when the ball passed. Did you ask Finsrud about this, Stefan?

Vidar

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2011, 02:18:42 PM »
Good Morning Stephan,

I have followed Finsrud's machine for years.  Thank you for posting all the videos
from your visit to his Gallery!  What an interesting gentleman!

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2011, 05:39:17 PM »
I can also confirm that Finsrud is a genuine gentleman. I was litterally pushed and dragged around in his "world", while we were discussing energy, inventions, hobbies etc. I will visit the gallery again later to take more detailed pictures of the machine.
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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2011, 01:44:36 AM »


I could see on one of Stefans last videos, that on of the fixed magnets did not move when the ball passed. Did you ask Finsrud about this, Stefan?

Vidar

Hi Vidar,
which video did you mean exactly ?

Only in the last 2 videos number 13 and 14,
 Finsrud started the device and then it ran contineously.
In the first 12 videos the device was not really in sync,
so only before filming the last 2 movies he started it, by
rubbing the ball with a towel, so all dust came off and
rubbing the railroad track clean out of any dust and
then setting the pendulums into the right syncing motion
with his hands and giving the ball some kicks, so it rolled
in sync with the pendulums.

To the other question, I think if it would be built bigger,
you could surely use some coils around the magnets to
extract some changing magnet fields and have some
electrical output this way. But in this size machine
you will surely drag it down so the ball will come to a stop
probably.
He built and tweaked it for 12 years until he had got it going !


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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2011, 09:13:24 AM »
This is the video (13):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9XmRKR2S-o&feature=player_profilepage

Look at the closest magnet above the track. It clearly bounce when the steel ball pass by, but the one after that doesn't seem to do anything. The third magnet seems to bounce, as I could see the reflections in the steel changed when the ball passed this magnet. But the second magnet, I cannot confirm whether it bounces or not.

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #83 on: July 25, 2011, 03:41:42 AM »
Hi Vidar,
I don´t know. I did not see it, when I was there.

Maybe just ask Finsrud, when you go back to him.
Maybe he changed something, when he added the modeltrain railroad track onto the
aluminium wheels ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #84 on: July 25, 2011, 12:53:19 PM »
Hi Vidar,
I don´t know. I did not see it, when I was there.

Maybe just ask Finsrud, when you go back to him.
Maybe he changed something, when he added the modeltrain railroad track onto the
aluminium wheels ?

Regards, Stefan.
I will visit him some time again. All I know this far, is that the whole mechanism, after the mod. with the rails which increased hight on the track, is adjusted accordingly.

Btw.: To start the machine, did he push, and push the ball untill it got synced with the pendulums? How long took it before the machine ran by itself?

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2011, 11:54:48 AM »
The three pendulums in this machine reach its bottom before the steel ball pass it. As the downward force is greatest when the pendulum are at the bottom, it will force the track to wobble in front of the ball.
On the other hand, there is a forth pendulum wich mainly controls the wobbeling. So the track wobbles in sync with the ball, but in addition also wobbles twice as fast as the outer pendulums do two cycles within one cycle of the ball.

If we just could make a replica, but skip the forth pendulum in the middle, and doubble the lengt of the three pendulums so they also are in sync with the cycle of the ball. Maybe it would be possible to increase the kinetic energy in this machine, and finally be able to take energy out of it?

However, the cycle must be fixed in order to keep the important cycle, so if loading the machine, the pendulums must be heavier - a wild guess.

Vidar

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2011, 07:24:47 PM »
Thanks Stefan for the video update of Finsrud's machine. It all looked very real and sincere. Finsrud is a great guy. You stenghtened my belief in him.

Here are my thoughts about the PM matter at hand.

I've been trying to replicate the machine for three years now. Not as an exact copy, but as an example of the principle order of the machine.

There are three main components: !) the central pendulum that moves in chaotic circles in the central column, 2) the three secondary pendulums which operate sequentially pulling each other out of equilibrium and 3) The  ball running on the track making a constant tilt. These components are circuited into a loop by the vibrational feedback unit connecting the movement of the ball back to the central pendulum.

In my replication I try to achieve 1) a simplifciation of this operation in the form of a formula that allows many constructions for the same principle. Think of a conversion formula. 2) optimalization of Finsrud's operators: the ball on the track can be replaced by a flat oscillator spinner always tilted to one side. A ball is not necessary. Good ballbearings though you must have. The chaos array can be replaced by any magnet motor type with a stator (the central pendulum) and a rotor (with Finsrud the static array fixed below the central pendulum). Thirdly the three pendulums in sequential action can be replaced by one pendulum once you depart from a rotating magnet array in the magnetic motor division part.

Finsrud is perfectly right to my opinion speaking of four dimensions for such a machine x- y- and z-axis of the three spacial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time.  If the machine is selfsustaining its autodynamics prove that a conversion process is taking place in the nature of what we see in the cosmic movement of planets: the expansion of the universe is the original drive. It is greater than the contraction which is never successful in coming to a stop because the centre cannot be reached. In fact the machine runs on a conversion of this time energy.

The magnetic rotation is the condensation part where the dark energy of spacial time expansion is converted into circular motion. Thus with gravity as the material response to the expansion of the universe we have these three basic forces in play: magnetism, gravity and the expansion of the centrifugal force of the inertial oscillating part (with Finsrud the ball on the track). The conversion formula should look something like this:
                 
Te= (Mf/Gf/If)Looped

In words: the complementary action of Magnetic force, Gravitational force and Inertial force demonstrates a rectification of time energy provided a looped circuit which keeps the balances of the static forces out of equilibrium.

Think of a rectification circuit turning DC into AC. Now we study with Finsrud a rectification of time energy into kinetic energy. Magnet motors don't work, gravity motors don't work, inertial oscillators like of Milkovitch won't work, but combined, as Finsrud shows, there is an interaction of the forces, a natural coherence, delivering a revolutionary new insight: there is constant creation (read conversion) of energy in the universe from 'dark energy' (or time energy) into kinetic energy.

Observing the universe tells us this kind of logic must be in play. We see macrocosmically basic forces in complement resulting in perpetual motion. This is the concept of life in its physics fundament. There is time, matter and space as the irreducible primal trinity ruling creation as a process and not as a static state, and Finsrud tells us that to respect it in a 4-dimensional way makes it possible to create a model of that universal life principle of space energy rectification. If we understand it right this way we can build a machine which effectively 'eats' space as a substance (say graviton soup or quantum space foam). So space is there possibly as a source of energy and movement trough space can consequently be a result of 'eating space' away at one side of the machine (something which UFO's seem to master).

Indeed no laws of thermodynamics are violated when it works. When it works it is an open rectification unit and then these principles don't apply, they apply only to closed systems.
 
As an experimental update - we must engage in trials  to test our musings - I can say that i have succeeded in running a 1.6 kg heavy magnetic rotor (my cakra disc , see my IPMMM experiments) with a 1.6 kg heavy pendulum with stator attached which is controlled by an inertial oscillator of 1.6 kg that on its turn is fed by the rotor output. The loop is stable (hard to start up indeed) and can be sustained by hand just moving a magnet, so without further touching the machine (nothing sensational yet apart from a nice reactive cohesion I will not as yet show you). I am at present studying the exact construction of the different lead outs in the circuit to find the proper timing and circuitry of feedback for the chronic imbalance.

For study puposes of supporting theory I have found the pico-graviton theory of Carezani most useful (a contemporary of Einstein supporting our views here, see links below)

My problems are: 1) clumsiness, 2) increasing complication of the design (regularly throwing out too complcated matters), 3) disappointment with failed desing versions, 4) the inability to show anything before I have really achieved a replication of Finsrud by principle (one cannot share uncertainties) 5) the fear that Finsrud sincerely tried but never succeeded and has put a small motor in the column. Just to keep the interest in his gallery going. There is a secondary gain for him.

Thanks Stefan and Omnibus for your materials. Without them I could have never had such a nice hobby - as Finsrud says - of meditating the fundamental life principle of basic forces moved by time. I'll keep you posted when I have new insights. I have tons of movies of failed experiments, but they are only interesting to laugh at when there is success. Don't worry, I keep a lab log of my inspirations and IPMM failures. I still see progress in my work, hence I continue.

Anand Aadhar

My IPMM pages: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4449.new.html#new
My video page at YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar
My Finsrud analysis on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q&feature=channel_video_title
Carezani's autodynamics site: http://www.autodynamics.org/main/
My own free energy pages on my site (only partly translated, sorry): http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #87 on: August 18, 2011, 09:40:00 PM »
Finsrud explained to me that the central pendulum is not moving choatic, but follows a circular path that is trigged by the upper three magnets. He did not mention to me any magnets under that pendulum, but if it is, thes magnets is some how compensating for gravity.

The central pendulum is according to Finsrud, the main reason why the track is bending slightly in advace of the ball so the ball allways rolls downhill. The magnets, levers, and outer pendulums is only help functions to provide that slight offset. - If I understood him correctly. A slight different explanation than my first, but the essence is the same.

Vidar

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« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2011, 10:16:22 PM »
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If the machine is selfsustaining its autodynamics prove that a conversion process is taking place in the nature of what we see in the cosmic movement of planets
If the universe stopped to rotate, It would collaps. Rotation is the only movement which balance gravity so matter can still exist.

I think further that Finsruds machine is driven by the same principle. Rotation is preventing it to stop - to put it that way. The rotation of the Earth and the Earth gravity applied to the central pendulum, finally helps the ball to continue. For all I know it could be a heat engine hidden in the concrete which runs the whole thing, but the pendulums helps it to stabilize at a given RPM.

Finsrud say that the machine is art. A machine to wonder about. I wonder if that machine is much "simpler" than we think it is :)

Just thoughts.

Vidar

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Re: Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile
« Reply #89 on: August 26, 2011, 12:19:37 AM »
Congratulations Vidar. What i see You and especially Anand, are on good way to achieve higher degree of selfdevelopement(which even later, when we loose our body, is not for everybody to achieve). In Your place i would have stopped to discuss this openly. It makes no real sence for idiots, as most of "humanity" really is, that should know anything. They never grew up to this knowledge. So it is better to make closed circle of this, really interested in progress. Yours Arius Adolf Nowak

 

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