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Offline gotoluc

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2014, 05:00:43 PM »
Hi Laurent,

one question, what happens when you add more load (finger) on the one way bearing rotor, does the motor power supply input change?

Merci

Luc

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2014, 06:09:09 PM »
thx you laurent for informing me about this interresting mechanical concept. If those numbers are true from linevich this is major concept

AC motor single phase ? It would be great to see if the motion can sometimes go into a resonance with a specific drive or motion frequency.

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2014, 07:36:47 PM »
Hi Laurent,

Thanks for the reply.

I built a quick test model with Lego and now can see how weak the oscillation is. At a certain speed it will sit in place and oscillate. I see what you mean also by capturing the imbalance is going to need good bearings or somehow come up with a ratchet system. I don't have any one way bearings so I'll play with it some more see if there is an alternative to taking the power off.

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2014, 09:50:48 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2014, 12:02:53 AM »
Yes DTB

Very nice build, to get the feeling of the beast , bravo.

Hi Luc

 thank's  for the video.

And for now, i am playing with all i have to disposal to get more feeling on the device.

As i sayd in my previous post , it seems that a very good "one way " bearing is a must. Than i also think that the  transmission mean (the belt )  must be very Unelastic.

And sofar, depending of the  elasticity of the belt and friction lost , or the gear ratio  and rotating speed,  i have so different results that i am not able to   answer your question so easily.

I have to experiment  further, because the Kanarev and Linevitch technicals infos are very small at this point, and as i sayd the translation from russian to english are also very poor.

So as always a hard way

But good luck at all

laurent


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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2014, 12:15:51 AM »
You can find small inexpensive but reliable one-way bearings at your local hobbyshop in the RC Helicopter spare parts department.

For example:
http://www.helipal.com/hs1229-metal-one-way-bearing.html?gclid=COKWgKebnb0CFcx9OgodQmcAyw

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2014, 02:10:39 AM »
i also think that the  transmission mean (the belt )  must be very Unelastic.

laurent

I don't see the need for a belt as it goes back and forth.  Why not have a connecting rod between both, then all push pull will be equal.

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2014, 12:30:20 AM »
Hi Luc

yes you are right, but my aim in this first approach of the Linevich system is to check the eventuality  of a Newton's law inacuracy concerning  the rotating movement.

So i need a belt , and if the equilibrium of the system is not matched, the belt begin to move along the path and the prime mover shaking system begin to counter rotate.  indicating no newtons violation.

But if the belt stays  in a stable position and the rotor (thank's to the one way bearing )  spins , i can think that someting special is to evaluate.

good night at all

Laurent



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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2014, 02:17:29 AM »
woopy,  when you mentioned needing a very un-elastic belt I immediately thought of a possible source depending on what size you need vacuum cleaner belts tend to be very strong and non-elastic if you could use something in that size range.   IIRC they are usually about 1/4" wide (about 6mm) to 1/2" wide (about 13mm) and various lengths.    I know some are very strong while others may be more elastic but some I've seen are like miniature car serpentine belts with very little elasticity.   Seems prices run aroun $3 to $10 or a little more depending on type. 

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2014, 11:34:29 PM »
Hi e2matrix

Thank's for the info

I am trying  with a antiderapage (antisliping )  band for boat use . Because there is not only the need to be unelastic, but also it must be very soft. Because if the belt is too stiff, the stifness interfere with the rotation.

 Remember that i am actually only looking for knowing if this system is in some contradiction with  Newton's law, as Mr.  Kanarev  claims.

So i have also glued antisliding band on both shaft's pulley and so i have absolutely no more slipping

The system seems to work very well , but as it is very small , the transmission belt must be very precise. It is why i think that Mr. Linevich used chain  (soft and unelastic ) for his system. An probably i will have to build a bigger and heavier proto to confirm the result.

So stay tuned

Laurent


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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2014, 05:06:43 PM »
My education stemmed from the end of the era of analog computing where electrical equations and therefore circuitry
could be set up to model physical systems. One could then watch the evolution of the physical system based in the
the evolution of the electrical signals in the analog circuit.

It occurred to me that if Milkovech Dual Pendulum systems could vest overunity energy then the real world analogues
of the dual pendulum systems should also vest overunity energy. So I independently came up with the idea that the
Linevich paper, if true, should also hold for the Dual Pendulum systems and vice versa, where a bi-directional electrical
transducer can substituted for one or both of the physical pendulums. The analog signal could then be in terms of
oscillations in voltage, current or power in a sine wave phase space of the circuit.

I have also seen that the uni-directional cuff bearing used in the Linevitch paper - a motor brake system, has an analog in
an electric motor's inherent tendency to modulate input power demand based on the tendency of mechanical load modification
being transduced to electrical load impedance with a filter delay. So if this is true no overrun cuff bearing is
required but only that the motor shaft rpm repeatedly approach the brake shaft rpm from below. This would be described by
an observer that the motor has a tendency to "lug" when driving the load. So, it means that if these things are true then
a Qmogen motor/generator system can actually produce excess energy when the above conditions hold true. Note that a
Qmogen cannot be in the form of a dynamotor where the motor and the generator share a common shaft if drive coupling
is to play a role in the overunity generation.

If the mathematics of the time evolution of physical systems can always be described completely in terms of Hamiltonians then
I suspect overunity systems will always occur at places where the solutions to the Quaternions result in multiple mathematical
solutions. Science has claimed that in these situations natural systems always take the path of equivalent energy, but without
providing a *proof* that this always happens.  If one can come up with situations where Hamiltonians show that neither path
has equivalent energies in a realizable physical system then one will have demonstrated that conservation of energy can not
always hold true. In effect the complexity of the mathematics of the situation would overrun the ability of the universe to
compute the result of the situation when conservation of energy holds true.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2014, 05:13:48 PM »
Sure. And if pigs had wings, a pilot's licence, and clearance from the tower, they could take off and fly.


Unfortunately.... there is no credible evidence, anywhere, that pigs do fly.



I have a great idea: Let's wait until we see some pigs flying, before we try to explain how or why they do!






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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2014, 11:50:04 PM »
Sure. And if pigs had wings, a pilot's licence, and clearance from the tower, they could take off and fly.


Unfortunately.... there is no credible evidence, anywhere, that pigs do fly.



I have a great idea: Let's wait until we see some pigs flying, before we try to explain how or why they do!

YOU ARE TOTALY WRONG  TINSELKOALA


because if pigs got wings, they do not need  a pilot licence or a tower clearance to get airborne, but they only have to get the wings flapping   hUUU!!

REGARDS


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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2014, 02:27:29 AM »
I've been posting in the double pendulum thread but this applies here too.  This was my first test.






http://youtu.be/lFornDBZsJY


Vince

 

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