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Offline e2matrix

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Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« on: March 10, 2014, 07:06:29 PM »
From "Correcting the First Law of Dynamics" by Kanarev Ph.M. at Russian University of Kubagro : Conclusion of his paper "266 years for an establishment of transformation of force of the inertia interfering accelerated movement of a body, by virtue of inertia driving this body were required at its transition to uniform movement. The reason of so long establishment of this fact - an inaccuracy of the first law of classical dynamics. "
In his paper he shows a motor generator setup which has an input of 344 Watts with an output of 6131 Watts.   Other figures included in the paper with detailed mathematical analysis and where things went wrong.   I haven't gone through it thoroughly but it seems centrifugal forces and inertia play big into the picture.   It seems this paper explains why some people are apparently seeing more power out than input with motor generators and flywheels.   If anyone can refute what is in this paper have at it.... 
Attached below as found on the OUResearch web site from member NerzhDishual:

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 06:17:36 PM »
Thanks lancaIV for the additional articles and documents on Kanarev.   That reminded me that I already had some of his info saved on my computer and found now a number of pages on him at rexresearch.com.   There are also some good video's of one of his self runners.   Here's one page on his self running pulse motor from rexresearch:  http://www.rexresearch.com/kanarev2/kanarevpulsemtr.htm   


There are a number of other pages there on his work and patents too. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 06:17:36 PM »
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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 07:32:19 PM »
I like this Generator/motor- work process description,inventor Chitta Mukherjee:


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2733719&OPS=ops.epo.org&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

  F = BLI  : free generator-stator !         F '= 2B x L x 1 = LI   :fixed motor-stator !


Sincerely
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p.s.:
strong field force material will come to market by the year +/- 2023,
               Iron Nitrogen magnets Fe16N2
exspect: to ferrit magnet prices
              (10US$/Kg bulk price compared with actual 60 US$/Kg for NdFeB)
               and with double-Neodym magnet field force


http://blog.case.edu/think/2013/10/07/making_a_better_cheaper_greenenergy_magnet

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 05:20:54 PM »
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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 11:34:54 PM »
Hi all

This is my experiment on this subject   very interesting indeed

http://youtu.be/kSG1nroy_WM

Laurent

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 12:44:35 AM »
Hi Laurent,

Promising test indeed, thanks for showing it.

For those interested, here is the Kanarev paper on this setup, with measurements: http://www.worldnpa.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_4427.pdf

( The paper seems to be very much the same, with some more drawings, what e2matrix uploaded in the first post of this thread I just noticed it.)

PS: Laurent, I sent you a Personal Message at energetic forum yesterday, no need for any hurry, just to inform you.

Regards, Gyula

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2014, 06:28:13 AM »
Hi all

This is my experiment on this subject   very interesting indeed

http://youtu.be/kSG1nroy_WM

Laurent

Very nice build and demonstration Laurent.

Looking forward to your generator test ;)

Thank you for sharing

Luc

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 08:52:41 PM »
Nice work Laurent!   Thanks for your demo and interest in this.   It helps with some things I was unclear about.   Thanks also to Gyula and Luc for expressing interest here as it leads me to believe me this is important and valid research when I see either of you  ;)    I wish Kanarev was able to release more of his info.   It seems he has some things he is not able to talk about regarding free energy (suppression ?).     

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 08:52:41 PM »
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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2014, 06:58:15 PM »

The inertia concept patent applicant : http://www.firmenabc.at/permotors-gmbh_JtCz


part of this company www.arestov.de   ( reactive circuit )


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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 07:33:45 PM »
From                      ic-motor/e-generator efficiency optimizing


                     http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19809971&OPS=ops.epo.org&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en




     ic-motor+gear/transmission/differential and e-motor/differential comparison


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=FR&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2792258&OPS=ops.epo.org&SRCLANG=fr&TRGLANG=en


                                    the essential from the link above :
                                   

The output torque  at the shaft 25 minute at 6000 rpm, is the same as the output torque of the internal moving device, inert wheel.

This device has four engines 500 wats or wats in 2000, with electronic management is likely the same performance power and torque a motor               

heat 50 hp, while ensuring ancillary services including heating and preheating véhicule.5 The average consumption is about IOOO wats hour.

                                                   ergo:
     2000 Watt (4X 500W) motors  instead 50 hp internal combustion engine
                     ( austinev.org link: 15 hp ic-engine ~ 1 KW electrical  ???  )


   
                              this explains the Livenich-principle


          optimizing the e-motor : reactive circuit   like Dr.Imris
 
                               
                                                finally:


       the best Nm/KW performance  for the ideal  e-motor/e-generator-coupling     




                                  and realizing,that has been done.




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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 07:33:45 PM »
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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2014, 11:23:20 PM »
Hi all

Thank's for the incouraging comments

Yes this is very interesting to play with this device, running in my hands , and i try to understand and to get the feeling of the beast.

I have read some of Kanerev theory but the translation from russian to english is not very easy to understand.

Kanarev, in his papers,  is clearly contradicting the "old "  Newton's law, by adding the fact that the "inertial " force stays arround an object travelling in a a stable path.

And if i have correctly understood the theory , this inertial force could  be reused in the deceleration ???

Has somebody already checked the work of Kanarev ?

thank's
 
Laurent

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2014, 11:37:43 AM »
Here,a google-translated- 1972-publication -pdf from a german inventor ,Otto Stein :
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwolfganghann.fruchtesser.de%2Fzukunft.pdf

original paperbook-copy : http://wolfganghann.fruchtesser.de/zukunft.pdf

Sincerely
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1.from the #10 Walge-publication:
However, the possibility of the new know-how is also for use so-called
Wind power, or hydro power generation facilities.


2.There is a Linevich-figure,where instead an electric motor a windrotor is coupled to the gear mechanism :
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=102012002418A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20130814&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

3.The Biot-Savart accelerating force formula:
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3330899&OPS=ops.epo.org&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
             
The invention is based on the realization that there is an analogy between electrical engineering and fluid mechanics.
This is that an electromagnetic field around an arbitrarily curved wire-like head and a flow field around a arbitrarily shaped vortex thread are described by the same law, the Biot-Savart law.
The variables "increase in magnetic field strength" and "speed increase" correspond to one another.
Since magnetic field strength can be concentrated by by winding a current-carrying conductor in a coil, you can achieve a speed increase in the flow technology by winding a vortex filament into a coil.

4.A wind (electrical:-ing) force accelerating chamber: http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/RPMgenerator.htm


5.Squirl/Whirl-Wind chamber technolgy development and exploration trial :
Olaf + Juergen Schatz ("windhamster" : a flop ! a desaster !)
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=juergen+schatz

                                                  title ?
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021227&CC=WO&NR=02102838A2&KC=A2


It is all about thermo= motion dynamics, included compression and expansion
chamber~turbine~ transformer/concentrator/gear : turbo-netic
                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube

               Biot-Savart Formula coil ( gyula :Klinsing !) = Tesla coil ?
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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2014, 09:51:30 PM »
Hi Laurent,

Really nice build. Thanks for sharing.

Here are some ideas to maybe capture the oscillation set-up by the spinning weights. Have a plate with arms that extend outwards attached to the bottom where you have the pulley then either place magnets with fixed coils or lever arms to crank a DC motor shaft back and forth.

Now there is one part I do not understand is neutralizing the negative impulses. He says he adds a "outrun muff" I don't know what this means after looking all over the net. Maybe it is a one way bearing like you use. If that is so then instead of an oscillating plate mount it to a one way bearing through the central shaft. As the shaft twists the outer plate will start spinning due to the force of the positive impulse in one direction and will coast/slip on negative impulses, picking up speed on each impulse. This wouldn't really change the magnet arrangement but would void the DC arm driven version.

If the gears diameters with the weight were increased this would set-up a really strong oscillation. This looks like something to test further.

I attached some pictures to make the ideas clearer, maybe inspire someone with a different idea.

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Re: Motor Generators - Free Energy - An Explanation
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2014, 12:36:35 AM »
Hi DTB

Thank's for your generator proposal, but i think that Linevitch system is based totally on the transformation of the oscillation in a unidirectional movement due to the one way bearing.

So it appears to me that if you try to use the oscillation in direct, you will have no gain and only losses.

As i show on my video, if the system is hanging on the wires , there is a lot of oscillations, and absolutely no torque at all. Because the complete system is in equilibrium.

So you need to capture the inertial energy by an imbalance  mean. And this mean is the one way bearing (and it must be of very good quality in order to stop and go at the very smallest movement of the shaft).

The better the one way bearing , the better the efficiency of the system.

But i may be wrong

Just for tonight

Good luck at all

Laurent

 

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