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Author Topic: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.  (Read 1090469 times)

EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #795 on: April 22, 2014, 11:47:42 AM »
What does the Magnetic Field really do to a Charged Particle?

Another Very Simple Experiment!
1: Take a Bifilar Coil, Tie both ends of one end of the Bifilar so the Coil effectively has one coil coming back on its self in the opposing direction if the Coil was carrying Current (Non Inductive Mode)
2: Setup and configure a Circuit so you can see the Charge Time of the Coil maybe with a sense resistor. (See below Circuit)
3: Now measure the time to charge the Coil in Bifilar NON Inductive Mode.
4: Note the time down.
5: Now change the Bifilar Coil to Inductive mode series Connected so as to keep the same Resistance of the Wire as in the First Experiment.
6: Use the same Circuit and measure the time to Charge the Coil.
7: Note the Time.

Inductance!
Because the Inductance has changed between the two experiments but not the Resistance we can see a huge difference in time to charge the Coil!

Inductance (Directly Related to the Magnetic Field) has made it possible to charge a Coil that is effectively NON inductive at a Much Faster Rate! This allows the Charges I.E: Current, to move Much Faster!

Conclusion:
The Magnetic Field produced by a Charged Particle is directly proportional to the Rate of Flow (Speed at which it can travel) of the Charged Particle. E.G: the Magnetic Field that is produced by a moving Charge slows down the Charge itself.

All the Best

Chris

P.S: See the below pdf for the Circuit and description.
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EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #796 on: April 22, 2014, 12:22:26 PM »
All other diagrams show the winding polarity in a "flyback mode" where the maxima and zeros of the currents do not occur simultaneously.

Hi Verpies,

I believe once these Coils are Understood and once the Current and Voltage Measurements are done when in operation, they will prove to be quite different than the picture you posted. There will be a debate on the dot notation and what it actually means for this arrangement.

Its not conventional Transformer theory, not entirely anyway. Phase Angle and so on are not a concern, Pure, raw power. Lets just leave it here for a while before I overstate this whole thing!

All the Best

Chris

verpies

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #797 on: April 22, 2014, 01:14:36 PM »
I believe once these Coils are Understood and once the Current and Voltage Measurements are done when in operation, they will prove to be quite different than the picture you posted.
The schematic you posted is limited to MOSFET's duty cycle from 53% to 100% because the signal at the MOSFET's gate is inverted in relation to the output of the NOR gate inside the TL494.  This also gives the TL494 a ridiculous positive PWM feedback loop.

Think about it - I'd like to know if you still insist that the schematic you posted makes sense.

Anyway, below are two REAL scopeshots with the transformer in Akula's circuit v3 connected in the "normal" transformer mode and in flyback mode (Ch1=Gate voltage, Ch2=L1's current, Ch4=L2's current).

P.S.
I can't open Grumage's rar file but I can see the schematic that he had posted in his first post.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2014, 06:32:44 PM by verpies »

verpies

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #798 on: April 22, 2014, 01:36:43 PM »
Because the Inductance has changed between the two experiments but not the Resistance we can see a huge difference in time to charge the Coil!
Inductance (Directly Related to the Magnetic Field) has made it possible to charge a Coil that is effectively NON inductive at a Much Faster Rate!
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.

After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.

TinselKoala

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #799 on: April 22, 2014, 03:45:11 PM »
(snip)....
In the Picture below, you will be able to see that there is a Polar benefit and Bipolar Switching is not the best with these coils. I was hoping someone would have seen this already.

All the best

Chris

It appears that you are using AC-coupling on both channels of your oscilloscope. The little sine wave symbol next to the channel vertical attenuation settings indicates AC-coupled, if I am not mistaken. Is there some reason for that?

Your scopetraces, which are labelled Input Voltage and Input Current.... are only showing the ripple or switching transients which are sitting on top or bottom of the true signal voltages, because the use of AC-coupling has removed any DC or non-varying component of the signal. Hence any math performed on those traces will be incorrect, unless you know and use the value of the DC offset that has been removed by your choice of AC-coupling.

(I'm not challenging your basic conclusion or interpretation.... yet.... I'm just wondering about your scoposcopy.)

T-1000

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #800 on: April 22, 2014, 09:11:42 PM »
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.

After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.

Some food for thought - what things you will observe on bulb and on hard type(magnetic) ferrite magnetic/electric configuration when having bucking coil arrangement like this?
Hint - this arrangement can be observed in latest akula videos.

avalon

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #801 on: April 22, 2014, 09:56:28 PM »

It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...

Not only am I getting more and more convinced that harnessing ferroresonance is possible, I am beginning to like him as well.
What happen? I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed,  make them run in a self-sustained mode.
I was boiling with anger listening to his opponents and only wish that they let him speak instead of trying to prove their point.

There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
1. all available Akula schematics are incomplete and cannot be made working without some important changes.
2. it includes the 'Delamorto 3V' device.
3. He's not going to reveal the secret as he's already sold the design to a third party.
4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).

Which brings me to a junction. Is he a good guy or not? Is it for real?

Well, that's the point I am making. I think that he is. Somehow in the process of listening to a barrage of attacks on him I have become convinced that spending some serious amount of time understanding what we are dealing with here might not be a waste.

Which is a really good news for everyone who is now hooked on this fascinating idea. I know I am one of them.
While I wish I could use a helping hand and have some easy answers now, the most important part is to know that it is for real and can be repeated.

Well done Roman.

~A

T-1000

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #802 on: April 22, 2014, 10:03:56 PM »
It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...

Not only am I getting more and more convinced that harnessing ferroresonance is possible, I am beginning to like him as well.
What happen? I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed,  make them run in a self-sustained mode.
I was boiling with anger listening to his opponents and only wish that they let him speak instead of trying to prove their point.

There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
1. all available Akula schematics are incomplete and cannot be made working without some important changes.
2. it includes the 'Delamorto 3V' device.
3. He's not going to reveal the secret as he's already sold the design to a third party.
4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).

Which brings me to a junction. Is he a good guy or not? Is it for real?

Well, that's the point I am making. I think that he is. Somehow in the process of listening to a barrage of attacks on him I have become convinced that spending some serious amount of time understanding what we are dealing with here might not be a waste.

Which is a really good news for everyone who is now hooked on this fascinating idea. I know I am one of them.
While I wish I could use a helping hand and have some easy answers now, the most important part is to know that it is for real and can be repeated.

Well done Roman.

~A

Well, if you want to know more, the best option to discuss abuot is - in voice session.
And I tried to gather everyone before for making understanding and exchange of ideas between people - http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg397514/#msg397514

EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #803 on: April 22, 2014, 10:11:16 PM »
The schematic you posted is limited to MOSFET's duty cycle from 53% to 100% because the signal at the MOSFET's gate is inverted in relation to the output of the NOR gate inside the TL494.  This also gives the TL494 a ridiculous positive PWM feedback loop.

/....

P.S.
I can't open Grumage's rar file but I can see the schematic that he had posted in his first post.

Hey Verpies,

The Schematic I posted is only part of the original rar file. Its nothing to do with what I have suggested regarding the Frequency and or Duty. I suggested a different approach to start with: My Coil Test Suggestions!

Below is the zip file, try that if you had trouble with the rar file. The contents are exactly the same.

All the Best

Chris

EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #804 on: April 22, 2014, 10:42:25 PM »
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.

After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.

Hi Verpies,

Ok, wow, where do I start here? First, this is and only was for concept to show that a Charged Particle can move at faster rates if its self generated Magnetic Field is reduced. This is true for any coil weather it be in a Generator or a Choke. Of course, the use of this effect would not be practical in the situation where a Choke would be required for obvious reasons!!!

Second, as you have drawn the coils in Picture One, there is next to no use for transfer of energy - WHY? - Lets see what the consensus is!

Question: Why is it that the Bifilar Coil you have drawn in Picture One has no use to us for achieving what we need to achieve? E.G: Amplifying Energy.

If one were to study every single Energy Amplification Device in History and say not one had a Bifilar Coil would they be right? If you have proof of evidence of the use of a Bifilar Coil let me know.

Why is it that nearly every device in History has multiple coils that always sit side by side - E.G: NOT Bifilar! Floyd Sweet is the only one that was said to use Bifilar Coils, this is un-true, they are 2x coils on the same Bobbin and NOT Bifilar by definition. How can this be proved? It cant! But a series of experiments can be done to eliminate the falsity's and a conclusion can be drawn.

In fact, if anyone can demonstrate energy amplification in a Bifilar NON inductive coil without the use of complicated switching I am prepared to send them a sum of money. Wont be much but a reward shall we say. I don't believe this can be achieved!

Below is a copy of your Bifilar Coil for others to reference and also a picture of the Actual Bucking Coil. Remember the Magnetic Field can be reduced just by squeezing 2x fields of the same strength together, the source of the Magnetic does not have to occupy the same space!

EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #805 on: April 22, 2014, 10:50:52 PM »
It appears that you are using AC-coupling on both channels of your oscilloscope. The little sine wave symbol next to the channel vertical attenuation settings indicates AC-coupled, if I am not mistaken. Is there some reason for that?

Your scopetraces, which are labelled Input Voltage and Input Current.... are only showing the ripple or switching transients which are sitting on top or bottom of the true signal voltages, because the use of AC-coupling has removed any DC or non-varying component of the signal. Hence any math performed on those traces will be incorrect, unless you know and use the value of the DC offset that has been removed by your choice of AC-coupling.

(I'm not challenging your basic conclusion or interpretation.... yet.... I'm just wondering about your scoposcopy.)

Hi TinselKoala,

This is a good question. To be honest I cant say why exactly other than it seemed best to use AC Coupling as the wave has an AC Component to it. You're quite right however, it could have been a good idea to use DC Coupling. Also I was switching Bi Polar, using a H-Bridge and it also seemed logical to use AC Coupling.

If you would prefer to see a DC Coupled shot then let me know and I can post one.

All the Best

Chris

EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #806 on: April 22, 2014, 10:58:34 PM »
It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...

/....

~A

Hey Avalon,

Great Post! I could not agree with you more! Lets all work together and not bicker and squabble like little kids.

"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, through argument and debate, but, most of all, freedom of will."

All the Best

Chris

bolt

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #807 on: April 22, 2014, 11:02:54 PM »
i concur to reiterate the "magic" in all of these looped devices lay in the coil construction, design and core material and there are many  seen over recent years.

There is no need to try and blindly follow other peoples schematic!  The use of switiching power supplies is not compulsory.  The type and model numbers NOT important.  Who cares if he opened his or not?  WHY would he? Well if it was me i would change the standard mains bridge diodes to HF high speed diode types for  start particulaly when ferrite squeeling pig generators tend to work best on over 15khz:)

A bench test with signal generators can yeild the required results IF you know what to  look for.   The Russian TV Yoke is open source i suggest people start there.   Self contained driving circuits come LATER after principle operation of the core yeild the results. It really doesnt matter if you use a PLL, PWM  IC or a 555 as a signal driver.  This is the  EXACT reason why Akula has so many design varations.

EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #808 on: April 22, 2014, 11:02:57 PM »
Well, if you want to know more, the best option to discuss abuot is - in voice session.
And I tried to gather everyone before for making understanding and exchange of ideas between people - http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg397514/#msg397514

Hi T-1000,

This is a great idea. I have tried this in the past but the biggest problem I have found is time zones. We all live in different time zones and its not always east to communicate with everyone at a single time for other reasons like Kids bed times and son on...

Keep up the effort though, if only one idea were to be passed between everyone here then it is of benefit!

All the Best

Chris

EMJunkie

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #809 on: April 22, 2014, 11:06:45 PM »
i concur to reiterate the "magic" in all of these looped devices lay in the coil construction, design and core material and there are many  seen over recent years.

There is no need to try and blindly follow other peoples schematic!  The use of switiching power supplies is not compulsory.  The type and model numbers NOT important.  Who cares if he opened his or not?  WHY would he? Well if it was me i would change the standard mains bridge diodes to HF high speed diode types for  start particulaly when ferrite squeeling pig generators tend to work best on over 15khz:)

A bench test with signal generators can yeild the required results IF you know what to  look for.   The Russian TV Yoke is open source i suggest people start there.   Self contained driving circuits come LATER after principle operation of the core yeild the results. It really doesnt matter if you use a PLL, PWM  IC or a 555 as a signal driver.  This is the  EXACT reason why Akula has so many design varations.

Hey Bolt,

Exactly!!!

20 other models worked with no DC Switching Power Supply. You've hit the nail on the head! Excellent Post!

All the Best

Chris