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Author Topic: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.  (Read 1064404 times)

Offline adriangray

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #450 on: March 29, 2014, 12:30:48 AM »
this is a similar circuit you might want to watch, possibly where one idea might be a trigger to another on same lines.  >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I  <

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #450 on: March 29, 2014, 12:30:48 AM »

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #451 on: March 29, 2014, 12:34:59 AM »
Grumage:

Stop switch contemplation:

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #452 on: March 29, 2014, 12:56:38 AM »
Hi Mr. Grumage re your note on the stop switch, you have a very valid point with that circuit as it is, as with the switch closed it will draw loads of current and stop any work being done. You could try disconnecting the secondary and adding a shottky diode and a large cap and then adding it to the same circuit, then it would no longer stifle the workings of the circuit, but the current setup does not have any upper voltage control and might blow your LED’s if you have no limit resister.

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #452 on: March 29, 2014, 12:56:38 AM »
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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #453 on: March 29, 2014, 03:27:04 AM »
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Dave:  Wasn't that cool?  A circuit made with water that does exactly the same thing as an electrical circuit.

MileHigh

Lol
Ok MileHigh show me in your conventional view the reaction of the coil, show me the femf and bemf.
Try to be a little neater than your last drawing  :D

Oh yea bro this one is for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8y_fKEAMWw

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #454 on: March 29, 2014, 04:27:47 AM »
Dave:

The reaction of the coil, the BEMF, the FEMF, it's all there in water circuits.  Again, I am being serious.  I decided to freehand the second current loop because it would be a lot of work otherwise.

The auto mechanic's clip doesn't say anything besides the fact that they use electron current.  Who knows why they would be possessed to do that because I am willing to bet you the vast majority of car service manuals use conventional current.

So, what is a water inductor and a water capacitor?

MileHigh

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #454 on: March 29, 2014, 04:27:47 AM »
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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #455 on: March 29, 2014, 12:29:00 PM »
Someday bro you will see it, then you will have one of them oh $hit moments.

Most everyone knows that current runs from neg to pos and will tell you that they know its wrong but it works in circuit development and design so they keep using it.

Let agree to disagree I dont want to distract this thread, I think its a very worthwhile endeavor although I think the 80w circuit is simpler and would make a better test circuit, Im working on a variation now.

All the best
dave

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #456 on: March 29, 2014, 01:09:50 PM »
You guys really crack me up. There is this Akula device and you guys are worried about a water analogy for electrical effects. Besides, these is no right or wrong way to use an analogy. We use water to simplify the visualization (or brainwash hehehe) of electricity, just like we talk about the birds and the bees when explaining babies. EE is one of the domains where no proof does not hinder certitude of fact since you can produce any formula to rationalize reality to fit our limited minds. Religion is another. You will grow out of it in time.

About the circuit, the stop switch is to kill energy return from the secondary to the source. This is normal if you want an easy manual method of stopping the return in case R3 or C11 started heating up. He probably burnt a few of them while fine tuning his system, before putting the stop switch in there.

Always remember this is a self-running circuit. All the features of pulsing, secondary and return are in the circuit. During self-running you only have C11 and C5 to hold enough energy to run the circuit for a second at most.

Like I said at OUR, the L1/VT1/C3 combo is an analog or I would say a very smart variation of the Tesla Ozone Patent (TOP). In that patent Tesla explains that you can produce a damped impulse through a primary where the energy used can return to source. But here Akula is using the L1 for two usages, the first being an inductive source as in the motor coil of the TOP and second as the working transformer to impart to the secondary L2.

So the difference here compared to a TOP is that, instead of using the L1 pulse to then drive a primary to secondary coil to produce a discharge arc thus producing ozone, Akula is using it to directly drive the load (working primary without a secondary) where at the end of the load he put R5/C5 to reduce the bleed or load consumption to keep the system primed at all times and where he checks the system status. That is because the system cannot produce enough to run the load with straight ground hence full draw on the source will kill the looping effect.

The secondary L2 can then be freed 100% to simply concentrate its effort to produce enough output for the positive return line to C11.

So the L1 has two usages. It feeds the load directly via a TOP discharge and it energizes the secondary to recycle the energy. That is so smart that most of our brains will need an upgrade to understand it. hahaha

By contrast, our standard method of undamped pulse the primary and draw off the secondary where the energy used can never return to the source. Our whole EE system is based on undamped pulse.

The above also confirms to me that you don't need any special transformer winding other then what we use normally. That is, when primary is over the gap, the secondary is over another gap, or, when primary is on one side of gap, the secondary is on the other side of the same gap. Anything more and you are just creating unusable havoc and energy cancellation.

To test this is simple. Take any coil primary and tank it. Then take any battery and short it across the primary very quickly. Now look at the voltage on your tank. That's what is running the load. Then the secondary is free to return to source. Guys should be clamoring over their work benches by now.

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #456 on: March 29, 2014, 01:09:50 PM »
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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #457 on: March 29, 2014, 01:43:06 PM »
So the L1 has two usages. It feeds the load directly via a TOP discharge and it energizes the secondary to recycle the energy. That is so smart that most of our brains will need an upgrade to understand it. hahaha

By contrast, our standard method of undamped pulse the primary and draw off the secondary where the energy used can never return to the source. Our whole EE system is based on undamped pulse.

Lol that is true :D

The conventional circuit always kill dipole and fight energy return paths on inductive loads in contrast to what is being used here.

The engineers should start thinking from another side - how to apply choke (or current transformer) instead of one way transformer and use it's BEMF for recycling energy back to the source capacitors. Then you have energy saving circuit at least... So this is what circuit in topic is about plus I suspect it makes additional noise signal for unconventional transformer effects.

P.S> This is what Igor is trying to do in his latest videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw

Cheers!

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #458 on: March 29, 2014, 02:32:46 PM »
Whattsup; Grumage; Mile High; and others.
 
I don’t know if you have noticed but the birds and the bees are in decline and the water is no longer has that magical sparkle, never loan Electrical qualities , but when I was in the telecom industry they use to say, ‘An expert’ was ‘Ex” as in the past tense, and a jet of water under pressure! But who knows what’s in the black magic box.
 
Re the L2 coil, as I was saying. I’m no Guru, but that L2 secondary is weird, if it’s ‘in’ the circuit the whole device just draws loads of current, its as if that diode in the return just wasn’t there, but if a fast diode is put in the top end where it joins the choke, and a capacitor to it’s negative end of the coil you wile get some positive drive back in, but it’s still not over unity, and if you put a 3.9 k from pin 4 of the 494 to 13 I can get the width of the drive pulse quite narrow and a pile of ringing stuff into the secondary, and also if you have a scope you could tune that width against the coil tuning of the coils and the fly back ringing, and then you need to look at the mode of the 494 against the push pull mode and single ended mode of the output stage, and then that circuit does not control the transfer voltage energy in that circuit and could be come a real problem with out limits, as the whole thing is ‘fly’ back, sucking energy back into the output from the core and the earth. Or should be? Roomer has it Lol
 
And don’t take life too seriously as no one has managed to get out alive, yet! 

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #459 on: March 29, 2014, 02:39:49 PM »
Dear All.

It has been pointed out to me privately that my "RED LINE" analogy, whilst Ok for a purely resistive load, is incorrect for an LED load. The fact is we have LED's in a series/parallel configuration. If we apply our 12 Vdc without the Mosfet being triggered then zero current will flow through the diodes simply because the forward voltage conduction threshold has not been reached!! Only when we start the flyback cycle will the voltage reach a high enough value to light the load.

Now the thread has reached a more pedestrian pace I would like to present a simulation for perusal by our more learned members of OU.com. I would be grateful for your feedback.


http://tinyurl.com/ojn5fu8

Cheers Grum.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2014, 07:21:49 PM by Grumage »

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #460 on: March 29, 2014, 02:41:30 PM »
Lol that is true :D

The conventional circuit always kill dipole and fight energy return paths on inductive loads in contrast to what is being used here.

The engineers should start thinking from another side - how to apply choke (or current transformer) instead of transformer and use it's BEMF to recycle energy back to the source capacitors. Then you have energy saving cicruit at least... So this is what circuit in topic is about plus I suspect it makes additional noise signal for unconventional transformer effects.

P.S> This is what Igor is trying to do in his latest videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw

Cheers!

@T-1000

I looked at that video just now but do not understand enough yet to discuss. When he slid the coil/light on that fat core block, I would have liked to see the same thing without the core to see the comparison. Also, he has no frequency count so you cannot just look at amperage/voltage without knowing the working frequency. But bulb output was good.

Just in case he does not know, maybe you can explain to him that when recharging the energy back to a battery, you should always remember that you will not be able to recharge more then 20% of the battery rated amperage at any one time. So if you have a 10 amp battery and measure recharge going back to the battery at 4 amps and you are wondering why the system is not looping, it is because you lost 2 amps as excess recharge. So you will need a second battery in parallel to accept the 4 amps at same voltage. I think he was within the 20% but just in case he wants to increase the size of this system, he may need a second battery at one point.

@all

I forgot to mention this about the circuit as far as I can see it. The L2 needs a ground (or a simulated ground) that I think he is making with the R2/C4 as a floating ground sink. This also ensures that if the secondary L2 recharge of C11 is at maximum, any remaining energy in the L2 can be bleed away by R2/C4 thus making sure the L2 is ready to accept the next impulse from L1. This ensures that the L2 will never choke out L1 (like if you shorted the L2) if C11 was always full charge.

wattsup

PS: This is a crazy week indeed. I just discovered this week that SM was doing the same thing as Akula although in a different manner, both are using one pulse to create two conditions that can be used separately or together. What a coincidence. I think this will be a good push forward for the OU community. The replication is one thing, but once you know the principle and it works in your mind, then this can be applied everywhere in so many creative ways. We have to get away from simple pulse primary bleed secondary. I really feel we are living in a great renaissance of energy for the world..


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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #461 on: March 29, 2014, 03:02:58 PM »
Dear All.

It has been pointed out to me privately that my "RED LINE" analogy, whilst Ok for a purely resistive load, is incorrect for an LED load. The fact is we have LED's in a series/parallel configuration. If we apply our 12 Vdc without the Mosfet being triggered then zero current will flow through the diodes simply because the forward voltage conduction threshold has not been reached!! Only when we start the flyback cycle will the voltage reach a high enough value to light the load.

Now the thread has reached a more pedestrian pace I would like to present a simulation for perusal by our more learned members of OU.com. I would be grateful for your feedback.
Cheers Grum.

@Grumage

Can't help on the sim. In terms of the LEDs parallel/series, this is to match the load. If you have a little more amps, you add a new row. If you have a few more volts, you add a few LEDs to the end of those rows to get the amount you need to load without killing the loop.

Wow that flastad address you just posted has sent the page so wide it is difficult to read other post without panning left and right. Hmmm. Maybe if you can modify your post, first put that address in a text file and just post the text file. the page will comeback to normal size. hehehe

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #462 on: March 29, 2014, 03:37:33 PM »
@wattsup, can you edit your post and add a few carriage returns? It is kind of hard to read as a single sentence/line. Thanks

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #463 on: March 29, 2014, 03:49:10 PM »
This almost feels like a denial of service attack, from the Men in Black!  lol

We need a new page.

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Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
« Reply #464 on: March 29, 2014, 03:51:39 PM »
The solution is tinyurl.com.  The MeninBlackinator!

 

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