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Offline Miroslav13

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Motor-Generator
« on: February 26, 2014, 08:21:32 AM »
An invention in which, due to the non-standard method of generation and unique design of the motor-generator, the electric motor and the generator modes are combined into one and are connected inseparably.

As a result, on applying the load, the interaction between the magnetic fields of the stator and the rotor creates a torque, which by its direction coincides with the torque generated by the external drive.
In other words, when the power consumption of the generator load is increased, the rotor of the motor-generator starts to accelerate and thus the power consumption of an external drive goes down.
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All details of the working principle can be found on our website at: generator-motor.info

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Motor-Generator
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Offline madddann

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2014, 01:11:43 AM »
Hello!

Well, good job for making the experiments, but when I look at the numbers I see:

normal setup: 8,28W input power, 0,05913W output power
special setup: 12W input power, 0,09776 output power

... (hope I read the multimeters right) so nothing too exciting and very inefficient and impractical.

By the way, what is the load - a rheostat? At what resistance is it set?

And why is the coil so far away from the magnet? Shouldn't the gap be as minimal as possible? Did you do a test with the coil closer to the magnet? If you did, what were the results?

Thx!

Dann



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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 01:04:58 AM »
Hi Miroslav13,


Thanks for sharing your work, care to post details about your setup? So other's interested can replicate your findings.


Regards
Cc

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Offline jbignes5

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 06:20:22 AM »



 this is not a new principle. It was already patented in a 2 phase setup.


 here is the pertinant patent and a better way of doing what you are doing.


Tesla Patent #390,721 Dynamo-electric machine


 You can find the patent at TeslaUniverse.com


[size=78%]http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine[/size]


 Tesla had other patents for toroid cores thet you only show half of the total core. In his design the field cores were on the outside and the generating coils(2) were on the rotor in the inside. It also has a prime mover(motor) that gets most of it's required current from the generqting inner coils(2). The field cores have 2 phases each half and hooked up as two dimetrically opposite coils. The field coils are driven by a magneto sedtup called the exciter which was comonly used back in the day to generate the field coils energy. I coined the phrase of a steady state motor/generator. Tesla reported that once started it was almost impossible to stop by pony brake. Well at least not till the wire failed<-normal matter limitation.


 What he doesn't show is the control mechanism which at the time was vacuum tubes. Both valves and diode versions.


 I have only been banging the gong on this one for 4-5 years on this forum about this device. It is the suspected powerplant of the Pierce Arrow experiment that was in Buffalo NY. The motor generator was built witha special type of soft steel called bessemer steel and produced by Westinghouse for Tesla. Tesla also hadd special transformers made with the same steel but unrelated to this design.


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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 02:27:59 PM »


 this is not a new principle. It was already patented in a 2 phase setup.


 here is the pertinant patent and a better way of doing what you are doing.


Tesla Patent #390,721 Dynamo-electric machine


 You can find the patent at TeslaUniverse.com


[size=78%]http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine[/size]


 Tesla had other patents for toroid cores thet you only show half of the total core. In his design the field cores were on the outside and the generating coils(2) were on the rotor in the inside. It also has a prime mover(motor) that gets most of it's required current from the generqting inner coils(2). The field cores have 2 phases each half and hooked up as two dimetrically opposite coils. The field coils are driven by a magneto sedtup called the exciter which was comonly used back in the day to generate the field coils energy. I coined the phrase of a steady state motor/generator. Tesla reported that once started it was almost impossible to stop by pony brake. Well at least not till the wire failed<-normal matter limitation.


 What he doesn't show is the control mechanism which at the time was vacuum tubes. Both valves and diode versions.


 I have only been banging the gong on this one for 4-5 years on this forum about this device. It is the suspected powerplant of the Pierce Arrow experiment that was in Buffalo NY. The motor generator was built witha special type of soft steel called bessemer steel and produced by Westinghouse for Tesla. Tesla also hadd special transformers made with the same steel but unrelated to this design.


Hi jbignes5,


Can you share some of your replication?


Cc

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Re: Motor-Generator
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Offline jbignes5

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 04:14:20 PM »
I am mid way through my replication attempt. The soft iron cores took me a bit to get fashioned and cost me 50 dollars. It is a 10 inch version. Two halves were made and the stock was round and 1 inch across.


 I have the neo's for the magneto and that is about it for now. My replication attempt is halted for personal health reasons but I am getting drawings made up of the whole unit.


 In the link above to the patent you can see 3 sections of the whole device.


 1 Magneto (for field coil generation)
 2 the Generation section. Field coils around the rotor(generating coils)
 3 Prime mover(motor) <-Has to be as it shows in the patent.


 All 3 of these sections are on the same shaft.


 The magneto is a two pole(magnets 160 deg. NS)
 The magneto pickup coils are on 4 poles (2 AC circuits are generated that way)
 These two circuits then get chopped at the peaks of their sinus waves and fed to the field coils over the field cores.


 The generator section is much like this guy shows but it is inverted. The field coils are on the outside and are in 1/4's of the round field core halves. 2 on each half core. The field coils should be that of very fine wire and hook up diametrically to each other for each circuit. So the circuits are 1 coil for each half of the field core. The field cores are then hooked up in two circuits to match the magneto output.


 The rotor section of the generator is made of heavier wire and in the process of transformation of the high voltage field into a heavy current and heavy magnetic field creates a sort of loop back to the field cores and generates further high voltage from the heavy magnetic field cutting the lines of the very fine wire used in the field cores. The heavy rotor coils are then ran to brushes on the shaft and then goto the output and prime mover sections. They share the same output and coincidently power the whole unit via the prime mover.


 In the generator section if you wire the coils correctly so that the field coils circulate in the opposite direction of the rotors spin then you get additional output at all speeds even very slow speeds.


 Of course you will need to control the Prime movers speed and power consumption and Tesla cam up with many ways to do that. Either in the form of Vacuum tubes or in the form of his variable magnetic motor controller. We must understand that Tesla in 1932 did the Testing of this system after is failure to get the wireless system funded and running. This was his last ditch effort in giving us Clean and affordable energy for all of humanity.


 I am betting this man knew what he was talking about and this design has done nothing but sit there in the public domain for many many years. Many have scoffed at the potential of this design. Well from the success of the OP experiment we can see Tesla WAS right! Although it is backwards in the above experiment it proves there is something to using the toroid for energy generation and if it was self generating and self propelled it would definitely close the loop.


 Another person from Quanta magnetics has a version of this out already but he chose to use pulse motors in his design. Well pulse motors are great but they lack any real power or torq and hence his output is lacking. If he had changed the pulse motor into a real motor then I am betting he would have gotten the same results as Tesla did.


 Everyone thinks they have come up with an original design but they are merely all taken from Tesla's work and rebranded as someone elses work. I assure you it is not original and if the OP has patents from his experiments they are only provisional and should be negated due to prior art of Tesla.


 The patent Tells all there is to be know about Tesla's work. The only thing left out was the method of control of each section which actually you or anyone could peruse Tesla's additional patents to find out those methods. All of the methods that can be used with this patent are at the same site that I pointed you to earlier: www.teslauniverse.com  Click on Tesla tab then highlight and click patents. It's not a complete list but give many of the more important patens and I assure you the control methods for this design are in that list. Including the variable magnetic control for the prime mover.

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2014, 02:21:37 PM »
Improve your health first before continuing,  ;)  Only just now that i've learned that using a toroid for generating power was from tesla,  from the link you posted, so much to read! thanks!

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2014, 11:33:23 PM »
Improve your health first before continuing,  ;)  Only just now that i've learned that using a toroid for generating power was from tesla,  from the link you posted, so much to read! thanks!


 Yeah and don't take my writing style as a bash on anyone. He is partially right in the effect he is seeing. But if we can get this working we need someone to take the plunge and build this sucker. Plenty have done it already or nearly a lot. My own experiment is on hold for a bit.


 Others have been seeing strange effects from toroidal generators. Most stick it in the Anomaly bin and never look at it fully. Thane Hinz, I forget his last name, did the same but his discovery was high voltage transformation within a high current coil. This raised the output by looping through the induction portion of the fields and this raised the output.


 Lasersaber has done work on straight pieces of ferrite and has gotten excellent results in his most simplest circuit yet. Check him out.


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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2014, 12:32:56 AM »
I've been slowly (pain in the arzz)  ;D winding a small toroid, divided into 4 section, trying to replicate quanta magnetics T2 gen. My rotor has 4 magnets gradually increasing in size, to get the desired output voltage, i'm doing this slowly if time permits...hope to show if i succeeded... Thanks...


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Cc

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 04:20:38 AM »
Hi everyone,

I made a small replication to test the basic effect but fail to see any advantages.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ_Fo7GNfGs

Luc

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 02:48:48 PM »
Hi Luc.

 this replicate , you will succeed than if you much luck, and I wish you much luck.
I invite you to watch two of my attempts (though not very clear), which is exactly what proves Miroslav My disappointment is even greater, as, I have not succeeded to repeat the same success. Sorry for the inadequacies of language
WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy7ysdgW-a4 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABtI8sbSNbE
best regards. Cristian alba

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 05:09:45 PM »
I do not want a repetition of their mistakes, which are shown in experiments.
Before repeating, read carefully what is written in the documents on the site.
I ask everyone to pay attention to what is written in the claims:
The length of the stator’s magnetic core is equal to the length of stator’s winding so that the extreme points of the magnetic armature coincide with the extreme points of the stator winding, and the length of the winding does not exceed the length of the semicircle, and the central angle formed by the central lines of the different induction rotor poles is equal to the central angle that is formed by the extreme points of the winding. I have no problem, make you believe. I wish that all would understand how it works.
Sincerely Miroslav

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2014, 04:29:45 AM »
Hello Miroslav13,

Thank you for the clarification about your setup. I just came across your website a few days ago and I am very encouraged by your willingness to share your process of discovery and results.

I wanted to ask you if the distance the rotor magnet is from the toroidal core has a major impact on the effect? Does the effect get even strong if the magnet is closer, or does it kill the effect?

This is the only major difference that I noticed with Gotoluc's setup compared to yours and cristopalba's. Also, have you noticed any dependency on the inductance of the coil itself?

Thanks!
Jason O

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Re: Motor-Generator
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2014, 05:52:55 AM »
Hi Jason,

since the video I've tried it with the magnet rotor further away (all positions) and it makes no difference. Watts out are watts in. No free lunch in any position!

I'm also having a hard time believing the inventor that the 1mm space my magnet wire didn't cover (only on outside) core ends will make such a huge difference ???

I don't know what's up with the claim or these inventors motive :-\

Luc

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