Yes, even with a drive without ?fires?, one must by repels a dust cloud with the start to expect.

Stanley Kubrick' make the moon video.

BTw. we have moon base but the its not related to nasa, its more related to the black project

yes, but to my knowledge it has not yet be seen on the moon, or am I wrong ? is there any conclusive Photo maybe from Hubble telescope, that can prove this and not just a few easy to fake white dots ?

I remember reading that the EU moon probe was suppose to take clear pictures and "finally put an end to all the conspiracy theories."  But that date has come and gone. haha  I searched the website - but no pictures are there.

There's a video on google that is original NASA footage - showing the astronauts from Apollo 11 in low earth orbit on the date (timestamped) that they should have been half-way to the moon.  It also shows them faking a shot using a paper template on the window to look like they are viewing the earth from a distance.
You can see the first try... and then you can see them do it and hear mission control talking to them about the view from a distance.
You can also hear a "third voice" telling them when to talk... I assume it was to fake the delay.

It's a long piece of film... but they plainly are telling NASA they are half-way... and the date would agree... but then they take the paper off the window and turn on the interior light and you can see that they are just above the earth.

Someone who was researching - actually trying to prove that they did go - and stumbled upon the film at NASA.

He did a film called - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon - in which he explains where he got the film and what it shows.
Then he did a film called - Astronauts Gone Wild - where he interviews the moon mission astronauts and shows them the film... and asks about the effects of cosmic radiation...  All I can say about this one is to watch it yourself - they start sweating and stuttering... obviously lying.

Either of these films is on google - if not, I will put them on my website for anyone who wants to see them.

Dark Side of the Moon is a good film - and based on the testimony of Kubrick's widow and Nixon's secretary... BUT... he pieces together interviews with Rumsfield and Kissinger and that crew to make it seem like they are admitting it.  His premise is that you can prove anything with video... like the moon hoax... but personally I think it discredits people who have real evidence.

Let me know and I'll upload and link for you.    I have alot of bandwidth sitting idol

As for me - I don't "think" we didn't go to the moon... I KNOW for a FACT that we did not go to the moon. 

This is the most interesting documentation I have seen so far on this topic:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5737681932896358451

Here you can see, how the astronauts were helped
to jump "on the moon" via wires:

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/523/Moon_Landing_Hoax___Wires_Footage/

sending a shuttle over the moon is probable, but landing on them using this shuttle or part of it was probably fake at least at the begining