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News announcements and other topics => News => Topic started by: ramset on February 21, 2014, 02:35:37 AM
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http://auroratek.us/Home.php (http://auroratek.us/Home.php) -- shows diagrams hinting at the technology
http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html (http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html) - products coming up for sale this summer
More data to follow ,this forum is not accepting the pics attached to the
test procedure report ,so I will put that here when it is sorted.
thx
Chet
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Don't hold your breath on this one. The person behind it is on record believing that slanted room tourist traps represent gravitational anomalies.
"Lithium is no longer available on credit."
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Don't hold your breath on this one. The person behind it is on record believing that slanted room tourist traps represent gravitational anomalies.
"Lithium is no longer available on credit."
Alek is a good engineer. I know what you are talking about and I think he was just fascinated with it for a while. I've been to one of those spots a couple times and a person with me (young with no history of balance problems) was getting dizzy and off balance before we even got into the place - out in the parking lot. And I went in with a scientific mindset trying to explain everything in my own mind and with enough physics I felt I could do so but was left with some things not so easy to explain. I certainly wouldn't hold that against Bill just 'cause he was investigating it for a while.
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Sorry E2matrix but this guy Bill Alek represents the worst of the worst. He represents everything you despise because he clearly is a flim-flam man.
Look at him pitch his spark gap thingie as a fusion device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKfebTL2iiY
You probably would not notice but I notice how awkward and ridiculous some of the things he is saying are in that clip.
Take a look at the picture of the bicycle that he is trying to sell for $1495 USD. Take a good look at it. It's a flimsy piece of junk. Look at it!
The headlight incorporates a powerful, new 7 LED design.
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Translation: It's a piece of junk from a Dollar Store.
Using battery clips supplied with AuroraTek's SSBC, simply connect the clips to a discharged 12 VDC battery. The SSBC powers up on the residual charge and begins to charge the battery.
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Translation: The bicycle is so cheap that it doesn't even have a charging port connector. To recharge the bicycle battery you take the cover off of the battery and attach the battery clip leads from the self-recharging recharging charger.
The whole thing is shocking and horrible or high comedy, depending on your mood.
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Alek is a good engineer. I know what you are talking about and I think he was just fascinated with it for a while. I've been to one of those spots a couple times and a person with me (young with no history of balance problems) was getting dizzy and off balance before we even got into the place - out in the parking lot. And I went in with a scientific mindset trying to explain everything in my own mind and with enough physics I felt I could do so but was left with some things not so easy to explain. I certainly wouldn't hold that against Bill just 'cause he was investigating it for a while.
According to Bill Alek's biography that slanted room tourist trap is the genesis of his supposed free energy charger. The slanted rooms are simple enough illusions. Tilt the room one way and draw lines that go the other. Our wonderful brains try and make the patterns that go against each other fit and get confused doing so.
EXOTIC ENERGY RESEARCH: In the Fall of 1998, William attended a breakthrough energy conference held in Seattle, Washington. Researcher, Tom Bearden, was a presenter at the conference. William was absolutely fascinated with the information presented – Tesla Research, FREE Energy and Antigravity Technologies. The conference marked the beginning of William’s personal journey into exotic energy and antigravity research.
In 2001, William began speaking at various conferences about his exotic research. He developed a basic, fundamental principle of operation regarding FREE Energy and Over-Unity devices or Self-Sustainable Technologies. This led to a 1st generation device called SmartPAKTM. SmartPAKTM was the world's first all solid-state microcontroller-based FREE ENERGY or OVER-UNITY Energy Management System (EMS). It provides a "standard" platform for experimenters, researchers, and developers to do energy-related practical applications, experiments, and perform exploration of the OVER-UNITY phenomena. Though no FREE Energy device for SmartPAKTM existed at that time, the functional requirements were fully developed and implemented.
In the fall of 2003, William began exploring the mystery of gravity. He developed a 1st generation device called SmartSPOT to measure the gravitational anomaly at the Santa Cruz Mystery Spot in California. The device measured a temporal difference (Red Shift) in real-time. Also, a new physics was developed to work with SmartSPOT.
In 2006, William experimented with spark gaps using carbon graphite anode rods. He observed a negative resistance effect.
In the spring of 2009, William successfully replicated the Boyd Bushman gravity experiment. A link was established between magnetism and gravity.
In the spring of 2011, a 2nd generation design of SmartSPOT was developed. This device had 10 times more precision than the 1st generation device. The new device is called SmartWATCH.
In the fall of 2012, William developed the Split-Flux Transformer or SFT. The SFT is the world’s first practical FREE Energy device developed specifically for the SmartPAKTM system. This led to a 2nd generation design of SmartPAKTM. The new system is called SmartPAKTM / SFTTM Energy Management System.
In the fall of 2013, William finished re-engineering and modernizing the SmartPAKTM / SFTTM EMS.
Also in the fall of 2013, William and Aurora Ellegion formed a Nevada C-Corporation called AuroraTek. William is President and CEO and Aurora is VP of Investor Relations. AuroraTek was formed to provide a means to integrate SmartPAKTM / SFTTM EMS into various products such as electric scooters and bikes, electric cars, power cell phone towers and battery operated appliances and tools, etc. This technology can be scaled-up to create micro-grid systems that can power homes, businesses and small communities. The applications are endless.
In January 2014, William and Aurora presented the SmartPAKTM / SFTTM EMS at the Consumer Electronics Show held in Las Vegas, Nevada. The booth number was 73112 in the Eureka Park Techzone section.
Also in January 2014, William receives Patent Pending Status on SmartPAKTM / SFTTM EMS.
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TEST !!
NG....
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New Developments from Auroratek Inc., Phoenix AZ.
Web Link;
http://auroratek.us/NEWS.html
I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this development. After a *decade* of monitoring peswiki.com and getting
at the maximum; the Keppke Motor, I'm looking for a win, here; A salable overunity product.
Their product seems to have proper design release planning.
Their product seems to have proper graphics.
Their product seems to have proper operational design.
They seem to understand you must sell something to succeed. - I'm convinced at this point that talk is deadly.
They seem to understand how to size their products correctly. - I'm going to be leaving all those multi-megawatt generating units to you
They seem to be OK folks.
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I'll keep you informed...Well OK, I've never met a technical theory developed by an individual that I have liked.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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New Developments from Auroratek Inc., Phoenix AZ.
Web Link;
http://auroratek.us/NEWS.html
I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this development. After a *decade* of monitoring peswiki.com and getting
at the maximum; the Keppke Motor, I'm looking for a win, here; A salable overunity product.
Their product seems to have proper design release planning.
Their product seems to have proper graphics.
Their product seems to have proper operational design.
They seem to understand you must sell something to succeed. - I'm convinced at this point that talk is deadly.
They seem to understand how to size their products correctly. - I'm going to be leaving all those multi-megawatt generating units to you
They seem to be OK folks.
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I'll keep you informed...Well OK, I've never met a technical theory developed by an individual that I have liked.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Nice guys with good intentions still can't change nature. This is a dream built on measurement error and delusion.
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I am first to admit bad spelling especially on the keyboard. Mind and fingers just do not act as one.
But how do you do this? http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html
Seems to me the Jetson bike product "Self-Charging Electric Scooter (SSES)" should be SCES, C for Charging. Next paragraph down the acronym is later misspelled SSEC twice. This error propagated to the PDF file. Took me the whole of 10 seconds to notice this error. If you are going to sell product, have someone review your material first.
No information on the self recharge rate of any of their products TO BE. Anyone have a link expressing the recharge rate?
If I said it once, I have said it a thousand times. Sites that claim OU have the worst web developers on earth. Auroratek is great a example. Don't worry John Rohner. Your Inteligentry website still remains the reigning champion.
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At one time the reported extra energy was 50mW for the entire unit. IE it is well inside the error bars.
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http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html
This webpage looks like the typical scammer website, with the same style seen already dozens of times for free magnet energy etc. I won't waste my breath on this one. Good luck everyone following this.
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Well I did speak with Aurora ,The "Product" will be showcased at the Conference in Albuquerque New Mexico July 30-Aug 3
The product has No expendables/perishables or "Fuel" and runs in perpetuity at the "specified output" on energy harvested from the local environment ,whether it be the middle of the ocean or a desert.
I will be calling her again in a few days when I get back home [working out of town ATM] for more details and info on the conference.
thx
Chet
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Oh come on. This is BILL ALEK, ffs. He has been around almost as long as Bedini, and has provided even less proof of his outlandish claims.
Here's his _real_ website:
http://intalek.com/
Don't worry. You may see a "product"... the little scooter... at the end of July, but you won't see it recharging itself from nothing. Why don't you call up "Aurora Light" and ask her to show you the last six months worth of electric power bills for their home and workshop. Please tell us just exactly what she says.
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Tinsel
How about we try something new.......
Lets put down the stones, extinguish the torches and see if we can actually get some more information
about the "product" and what is being offered .
Like Gentlemen....
thx
Chet
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Tinsel
How about we try something new.......
Lets put down the stones, extinguish the torches and see if we can actually get some more information
about the "product" and what is being offered .
Like Gentlemen....
thx
Chet
So call up "Aurora" and ask her outright. The descriptions of the product on the website are very carefully worded, I think you have noticed. Ask about input power vs. output power in _actual devices they have operating now_, not planned or speculative builds that they "will" have working "soon".
And also ask about Bill's antigravity machines and other "intalek" claims he's made in the past. Oh.. no, you had better not do that, that wouldn't be "gentlemanly" would it. It's not polite to ask for proof of outlandish claims!
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Why don't you call up "Aurora Light" and ask her to show you the last six months worth of electric power bills for their home and workshop. Please tell us just exactly what she says.
@TK
Hopefully, they will sell me one of their first units so that I can evaluate it and let people know what I am finding. These units have
internal firmware so they can recharge their batteries correctly. Auroratek's concept is to just build these modules, I think. But what you
seem to ask for sounds real good to me. I am hands-off as far as it goes with Auroratek, but I do feel competent that I will know what
I am looking at. If it works great, if it doesn't it will be just one more person's d*mn*d theory.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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Tinsel
Don't think I can't see that rusty Pitchfork behind your back.........And tell Mark E I can still see his pile of stones as well as the bag of feathers ..
Oh and Milehigh turn off your "Tar Pot"....
Aurora is a tuff Cookie and does not mince words
[Ohh how I like That....]
I have not spoken with Bill and honestly will only be discussing things relevant to this Public release
and the "product", You know how this works and I know how this works, Lets see if we can actually get to that point [a proper vetting of claims] with out the usual drama.
Oh how I would love that.....
thx
Chet
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@TK
Hopefully, they will sell me one of their first units so that I can evaluate it and let people know what I am finding. These units have
internal firmware so they can recharge their batteries correctly. Auroratek's concept is to just build these modules, I think. But what you
seem to ask for sounds real good to me. I am hands-off as far as it goes with Auroratek, but I do feel competent that I will know what
I am looking at. If it works great, if it doesn't it will be just one more person's d*mn*d theory.
:S:MarkSCoffman
You are actually going to try to buy something from Alek? You are talking like "these units" actually exist and do what Alek claims! But they don't even exist.
Heck, I can make claims too, and even support them with measurements. Would you like to buy the secret of Cheese Power from me? I promise I'll use the money for a good cause.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frp03muquAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frp03muquAo)
If your measurements don't agree with mine, or you cannot substantiate my claims.... I'll cheerfully refund your money. Of course the apparatus has to be in full working condition for you to return it, I won't buy back something you've broken with your clumsy testing.
;)
Sure, his concept is to "build these modules". Concepts are great but they don't provide honest measurements, like a _working prototype_ would do. And he has no working prototype and no commercial product.
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http://www.scootercrew.com/media/ecom/prodxl/Zappy-3-pro-flex-3-wheel-scooter.jpg
http://www.scootercrew.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=Zappy3-pro-flex&sid=g8667jn6rh0pyr706sz3of16b2425zs1
http://intalek.com/AuroraTekInfo/Jetson3X48_SpecSheet.pdf
Nice PhotoShop job, Aurora!
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http://www.scootercrew.com/media/ecom/prodxl/Zappy-3-pro-flex-3-wheel-scooter.jpg
http://www.scootercrew.com/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=Zappy3-pro-flex&sid=g8667jn6rh0pyr706sz3of16b2425zs1
http://intalek.com/AuroraTekInfo/Jetson3X48_SpecSheet.pdf
Nice PhotoShop job, Aurora!
Someone should let the ever litigious Zap/Jonway know about the liberties that Mr. Bill has taken with their trademarked product. They might also want to let TBS know of the liberties he has taken with their Jetsons trademark. That could generate lots of free income if not energy for lawyers.
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The "Two Markateers"
I thought it was Three ?
Well quite Noble and all that... ,also most observant ...However I remember walking into a ware house In NYC as a Child and marveling at the stacks of sewing machines piled floor to ceiling with no Names on them, I asked "why are there no names on all those brand new machines"?
I was told " a common Practice, people think the name means something special" {singer and such]
just a Decal or sticker is all the difference for whomever is buying from this ware house, they send it out the door to a dozen different vendors.
You guys should Holster your Swords and hold your lawyers until we know a bit more.
Thx
Chet
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Well, we know this: the price of the scooter from the link I posted is under a thousand dollars, and the price smart-Alek lists is about 1500 dollars. Of course the Zap branded scooter doesn't recharge itself.
But wait.... neither does Alek's.
I'd recommend to mscoffman that he buy the scooter from Zap and buy the charger separately from Aurora. That way, at least he'll get something, for the first thousand dollars of his money anyway.
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The "Two Markateers"
I thought it was Three ?
Well quite Noble and all that... ,also most observant ...However I remember walking into a ware house In NYC as a Child and marveling at the stacks of sewing machines piled floor to ceiling with no Names on them, I asked "why are there no names on all those brand new machines"?
I was told " a common Practice, people think the name means something special" {singer and such]
just a Decal or sticker is all the difference for whomever is buying from this ware house, they send it out the door to a dozen different vendors.
You guys should Holster your Swords and hold your lawyers until we know a bit more.
Thx
Chet
We know that Auroratek did not license the "Jetsons" trademark from TBS because the required registered trademark indicator is missing.
One can see from the side by side pictures below that the Auroratek picture has an uncanny resemblance to the Zappy 3 picture posted on Camping World, right down to the dress of the brake and throttle cables, the red and black stripes on the battery box, and the "Pro-Flex" label on the black stripe.
Anyone who cares to check can see that Jonway is actually the manufacturer of the Zappy 3 scooters that Jonway sells.
"Dr. Whodini" appears to magically violate the copyrights of others.
Do you wish to suggest that there is a warehouse of scooter pictures out there that various manufacturers use for stock photos? Or can we reach the logical conclusion that Auroratek appropriated and altered a Zappy 3 picture from the www?
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Tinsel
How about we try something new.......
Lets put down the stones, extinguish the torches and see if we can actually get some more information
about the "product" and what is being offered .
Like Gentlemen....
thx
Chet
"wait see" virus is afoot.
As we wait for CDC to set up the quarantine, lets use some logic.
A product is offered. Information that distinguishes the product from any other is not provided. Said product is supposed to be available in 30 days. But.... instead of those responsible for selling said product supplying such information in order to gain customers, distributors, sales, and money, the customer does the finding out of info as they wait and hope it is provided buy carrier pigeon, message in a bottle, or square rigor boat.
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Mark
Do I suggest that manufacturers have art departments at their customers disposal ?
Yes
This is a very weak place to start for establishing credibility ,I don't assume anything,I have not spoken with
any owners of tricycle companies or the hundred different factories popping out identical tricycles in China or elsewhere.
I have however done the exact same thing as this to save time in bringing an idea or concept to market, use an existing product to showcase my idea ,people on tight budgets do this all the time .why go and build an entire scooter when your not really showcasing scooters.
And the manufacturers bend over backwards to help with art work and all manner of support.
I am in contact with Aurora ,she will answer reasonable questions and seems quite serious about her product.
I will be calling her again on Monday to see just how serious she really is about marketing.
For clarity "Marketing" in this case.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence .
That is after all "whats for sale" not scooters...
Thx
Chet
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Oh come on. Think rationally for a few minutes.
You are a successful major manufacturer of electric scooters. Sure, you get your tubular frames and your electronics package built in a Chinese factory, because you are a good businessman. One of the important selling points of your scooters is their efficiency: how far they will go on a battery charge. Your engineers have spent lots of time and effort optimizing the circuitry of the electronics module, because this is a very competitive industry and you like to keep your strong market position by offering the "best" product you possibly can: the most efficient at the lowest price and lowest cost to manufacture.
Now somebody comes along and wants to buy product from you, or the same product from the Chinese factory exactly right down to the decals and cable dressing, and add value to it and resell it. Oh... well what's the added value you ask. Well, replies Aurora Lightbox, we replace the electronics module with one of our own, and voila, the battery no longer needs to be recharged from an external source. Oh, interesting, you say, you've got a solar charger! No, replies Aurora, we have a system that doesn't require any external energy input, it just uses the dead battery itself to recharge itself.
Now how do you respond to that? Someone has just told you that they have an invention that will put you totally out of business in a matter of weeks, unless you hurry up and do something about it. Good luck!
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Which Part should I "think Rationally" about?
The sneaky megalomaniacal take over of The cheap import Tricycle market?
Not interested ...nor is Aurora ...
those Trikes are Nothing more than a shoehorn into the Psyche of what is now possible, if you think Tricycle manufacturers are the only ones to have issues with this you need to start thinking a bit more rationally.....
Lets get to first base before we make a mess of this one....
The solar hydrogen tech from Jack Aganyan was the last time I tried to bring a private conversation to a public forum and was met by inappropriate comments that made such a nasty mess of the thread that I would never be able to invite him to a civil public discussion.
Can you Marketeers please find something else to naw on for a few days... go pull the legs off some spiders or beat the cat....
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Please....?
We are on the same page here ... you just keep running the same program except in this case there is more than hearsay
and conjecture ..
there is an opportunity here to have some info and contribution directly from the source.
thx
Chet
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OK, I give up. I don't remember Bill Alek ever actually presenting a fraudulent actual device like Yildiz does, he has always been more in the category of making claims without evidence and projecting into the future, like Goldes and others of that ilk. So that's what I expect you'll see at the trade show: a poster presentation, maybe but probably not an actual scooter, and definitely no actual battery self-charger demonstration or a scooter that recharges itself, driving around the parking lot for three days, giving kiddies rides. (Does it have a horn thingie they can toot-toot-toot?)
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Mark
Do I suggest that manufacturers have art departments at their customers disposal ?
Yes
This is a very weak place to start for establishing credibility ,I don't assume anything,I have not spoken with
any owners of tricycle companies or the hundred different factories popping out identical tricycles in China or elsewhere.
I have however done the exact same thing as this to save time in bringing an idea or concept to market, use an existing product to showcase my idea ,people on tight budgets do this all the time .why go and build an entire scooter when your not really showcasing scooters.
And the manufacturers bend over backwards to help with art work and all manner of support.
I am in contact with Aurora ,she will answer reasonable questions and seems quite serious about her product.
I will be calling her again on Monday to see just how serious she really is about marketing.
For clarity "Marketing" in this case.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence .
That is after all "whats for sale" not scooters...
Thx
Chet
Chet: "The Jetsons" is a copyrighted trademark owned by TBS. Auroratek did not obtain permission to use that trademark. The scooter photo is obviously lifted. Photos like any other published work are copyright by default in the USA. Jonway IS the manufacturer of the SNAPPY scooters.
As to the self-charging, it is all BS based on bad measurements and lead acid battery effect. The promotions that the system self recharges are falsehoods. No one at Auroratek can show you the results of a multiple charge / discharge cycles using their loopy ideas inspired by a slanted room tourist trap in California.
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Which Part should I "think Rationally" about?
The sneaky megalomaniacal take over of The cheap import Tricycle market?
Not interested ...nor is Aurora ...
those Trikes are Nothing more than a shoehorn into the Psyche of what is now possible, if you think Tricycle manufacturers are the only ones to have issues with this you need to start thinking a bit more rationally.....
Lets get to first base before we make a mess of this one....
The solar hydrogen tech from Jack Aganyan was the last time I tried to bring a private conversation to a public forum and was met by inappropriate comments that made such a nasty mess of the thread that I would never be able to invite him to a civil public discussion.
Can you Marketeers please find something else to naw on for a few days... go pull the legs off some spiders or beat the cat....
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Please....?
We are on the same page here ... you just keep running the same program except in this case there is more than hearsay
and conjecture ..
there is an opportunity here to have some info and contribution directly from the source.
thx
Chet
Chet SHT are completely full of horse manure. Listen to the interview SHT gave to PESN. It is beyond the pale.
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OK, I give up. I don't remember Bill Alek ever actually presenting a fraudulent actual device like Yildiz does, he has always been more in the category of making claims without evidence and projecting into the future, like Goldes and others of that ilk. So that's what I expect you'll see at the trade show: a poster presentation, maybe but probably not an actual scooter, and definitely no actual battery self-charger demonstration or a scooter that recharges itself, driving around the parking lot for three days, giving kiddies rides. (Does it have a horn thingie they can toot-toot-toot?)
Bill Alek has gone to at least two trade shows now with scooters in static displays. When Sterling Allan last checked in on how Bill Alek was doing with his promise of working chargers for April 2014, Bill Alek told Sterling that the firmware wasn't working yet. You and I both know that it never will. There is a deficiency in uC instruction sets whereby they lack a rcall_magic instruction.
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Mark
can you post a link to the Solar Hydrogen tech "manure Pale" interview you are referring to?
Such a classy bunch..
Thx
Chet
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Mark
can you post a link to the Solar Hydrogen tech "manure Pale" interview you are referring to?
Such a classy bunch..
Thx
Chet
Chet, sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYliDUI8bY4
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Mark
Just got back from a week on the road ,I will have a longer look at that interview.
[could only sit thru the first 5 minutes so far...
I will add some things here ,I did speak with Jack and had offered him a peer review thru some associates [was in active negotiations at the time With Stamford Tech] , I have also spoken with the test lab that ran his DUT and specifically with the engineer who handled the run.
The real fellow to speak with here would be Konstantine Balakiryan [whom I have not spoken with
If he ever gets interviewd [away from Jack]all bets are off..........
this work is his legacy and he is a compassionate and brilliant man.
However Jack and his money have been on the table for the last 15 years..
thx
Chet
ps I will watch the interview
and also be calling Aurora from the other company tomorrow.
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Chet I think you will find Jack's interview instructive as to just how freely SHT are spreading complete manure. You are not the only one to offer or actually send technically competent experts to SHT. In the cases that I am familiar with, SHT would not have any of that sort of thing.
The copyright infringement issues are the least of Auroratek's problems. The main problem is that they cannot deliver. Bill Alek's theory is all based on erroneous measurements and pseudoscience bafflegab.
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To those making a FLAP about the word "Jetson" on the scooter you are wrong. Firstly it does not say Jetsons which was always the name in the TV series and it does not even use the same FONT. It only says Jetson in a completely different style of writing or font. Does TBS own the word "Jetson" ? I seriously doubt it and they will never bother Auroratek unless of course they start raking in billions at which time you might get some greedy corporate lawyers involved.
You can say all the bad things you want about Bill but who are you to judge him? It seems Bill has a rather impressive resume if you bothered to look beyond his esoteric interests you seem so focused on. I'm fairly certain his only reason for looking at some of those esoteric things were part of getting involved with Aurora Light.
Some thing you may have missed about Bill Alek: " in addition to 25 years work experience in embedded electrical, computer hardware and software engineering, Bill has worked as a Senior Engineer at several large companies, including Boeing."
What are your qualifications Mark?
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To those making a FLAP about the word "Jetson" on the scooter you are wrong. Firstly it does not say Jetsons which was always the name in the TV series and it does not even use the same FONT. It only says Jetson in a completely different style of writing or font. Does TBS own the word "Jetson" ? I seriously doubt it and they will never bother Auroratek unless of course they start raking in billions at which time you might get some greedy corporate lawyers involved.
You can say all the bad things you want about Bill but who are you to judge him? It seems Bill has a rather impressive resume if you bothered to look beyond his esoteric interests you seem so focused on. I'm fairly certain his only reason for looking at some of those esoteric things were part of getting involved with Aurora Light.
Some thing you may have missed about Bill Alek: " in addition to 25 years work experience in embedded electrical, computer hardware and software engineering, Bill has worked as a Senior Engineer at several large companies, including Boeing."
What are your qualifications Mark?
LOL, keep trying.
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To those making a FLAP about the word "Jetson" on the scooter you are wrong. Firstly it does not say Jetsons which was always the name in the TV series and it does not even use the same FONT. It only says Jetson in a completely different style of writing or font. Does TBS own the word "Jetson" ? I seriously doubt it and they will never bother Auroratek unless of course they start raking in billions at which time you might get some greedy corporate lawyers involved.
You can say all the bad things you want about Bill but who are you to judge him? It seems Bill has a rather impressive resume if you bothered to look beyond his esoteric interests you seem so focused on. I'm fairly certain his only reason for looking at some of those esoteric things were part of getting involved with Aurora Light.
Some thing you may have missed about Bill Alek: " in addition to 25 years work experience in embedded electrical, computer hardware and software engineering, Bill has worked as a Senior Engineer at several large companies, including Boeing."
What are your qualifications Mark?
Dude, using sound alike or derived terms that an average person would confuse with trademarked material is an infringement of the trademark. Dropping the "s" does not distinguish from TBS' trademarks. TBS can at anytime act. As a matter of protecting their trademark, they are compelled to act once they become aware of the infringement. If you suffer the misconception that Bill's label: "Jetson Scooter" is not infringing, write a letter to TBS legal and ask them. By doing so you will both get an authoritative answer and force them to act against Bill's infringement.
Bill's taken what is not his and he is promoting guff. Those are facts. I have not alleged malice. I leave it to others to evaluate the person committing the acts. Bill may be a good firmware engineer. That does not change the incontrovertible fact that his claims concerning collecting free energy are false. It does not change the incontrovertible fact that he is infringing on TBS's trademarks. It is conceivable that Bill doesn't understand trademarks any better than you do. It is also conceivable, (I assert that it is very likely) that Bill has deluded himself with poorly designed and executed experiments.
I make my arguments based on verifiable evidence. While I have a very nice CV, I do not use it to rely on authority for the positions I state.
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Well you may be right about the trademark thing. I'm no expert on that but didn't think it was anything to be concerned about. However I take exception to you saying it is an "incontrovertible fact that his claims concerning collecting free energy are false." That is very disputable. What proof do you have that his claims are false? Have you even had your hands on any of his SmartPak devices? Done tests on them? I say you are simply doing what you usually do and say it's false knowing most of the time you will be right. If I'm wrong let's see your incontrovertible proof that his claims are false.
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I think this guy would just buy the bike from the real supplier and peel off the original decals and then stick on his own. So he is an 'unofficial' reseller. I also think that he did a drive-by on the picture and simply Photoshopped it.
What a wonderful world.
And I laugh at the "Dollar Store" build quality of the bike. It's a joke. The bottom feeder in the market. You could probably buy those bikes for like $200 if you were high volume and legit. Then sell it at chain stores one level below Walmart for $395, or whatever you think the magic price point is.
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Well you may be right about the trademark thing. I'm no expert on that but didn't think it was anything to be concerned about. However I take exception to you saying it is an "incontrovertible fact that his claims concerning collecting free energy are false." That is very disputable. What proof do you have that his claims are false? Have you even had your hands on any of his SmartPak devices? Done tests on them? I say you are simply doing what you usually do and say it's false knowing most of the time you will be right. If I'm wrong let's see your incontrovertible proof that his claims are false.
I'll tell you what. YOU go ahead and buy a SmartPak from Aurora. Have it drop-shipped to me, and I'll put it through a battery of tests (no pun intended) and send it back to you. If it works as advertised, you win (and so does everyone else including me) and the testing will be free. If it does NOT work as advertised, you can return it to Bill for a full refund, but I'll send you an invoice for my testing.
And if you or I do not receive what you've paid for in a reasonable time.... then there may be other recourse available.
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Tinsel
I like that .....or some variation !
We shall see?
thx
Chet
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Well you may be right about the trademark thing. I'm no expert on that but didn't think it was anything to be concerned about. However I take exception to you saying it is an "incontrovertible fact that his claims concerning collecting free energy are false." That is very disputable. What proof do you have that his claims are false? Have you even had your hands on any of his SmartPak devices? Done tests on them? I say you are simply doing what you usually do and say it's false knowing most of the time you will be right. If I'm wrong let's see your incontrovertible proof that his claims are false.
I have on my side the mountain of evidence that the First Principles are correct. Bill Alek offers zero documentation of ANY exception. That's: point, set, and match.
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I'll tell you what. YOU go ahead and buy a SmartPak from Aurora. Have it drop-shipped to me, and I'll put it through a battery of tests (no pun intended) and send it back to you. If it works as advertised, you win (and so does everyone else including me) and the testing will be free. If it does NOT work as advertised, you can return it to Bill for a full refund, but I'll send you an invoice for my testing.
And if you or I do not receive what you've paid for in a reasonable time.... then there may be other recourse available.
That sounds very fair to me. All questions answered one way or the other.
On the other hand, TK you are still owed a $100 donation to a no kill animal shelter by that gravity wheel guy so...trust but verify.
Bill
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I'll tell you what. YOU go ahead and buy a SmartPak from Aurora. Have it drop-shipped to me, and I'll put it through a battery of tests (no pun intended) and send it back to you. If it works as advertised, you win (and so does everyone else including me) and the testing will be free. If it does NOT work as advertised, you can return it to Bill for a full refund, but I'll send you an invoice for my testing.
And if you or I do not receive what you've paid for in a reasonable time.... then there may be other recourse available.
I'm not 100% convinced Bill will have the 'never plug in' battery charger in the near future or ever but I'm willing to wait and see without saying it's not possible. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because I know he is an engineer with good credentials and has been at this concept a long time. I don't believe we as a human race know everything there is to know at this point in time. I think there are still new things to be discovered that will break old paradigms and some laws of science. My casual interest in Bills charger is not because it's a good free energy device but because it would be unique. Right now with the price he has on his basic charger one can get solar cells that will put out more than 20 amps @ 12 volts for less money. So as long as there is Sun you would get more for your battery charging money with solar.
If I did buy one I think I'm capable of testing a battery charger myself. After all I've got 4 Oscilloscopes including a 400 MHz digital Phillips, 2 digital Fluke meters along with other ones (unlike the cheapy Harbor Freight looking ones you seem to always show TK - although I know you have other decent equipment - why no quality meters?), a frequency counter, digital function generators and so on although I'm sure one could come up with some good tests that wouldn't even need all that equipment. I'm not considering buying one but I won't close the door on this idea. I just wish some others here could see there are infinite possibilities and we have barely scratched the surface .... think about where things were just 50 years ago. Most people know about or have a smartphone (calling them smartphone barely hints at what they really are - a high powered multicore CPU hand held voice or touch controlled computer with billions of bytes of storage and mutliple long distance audio and visual communication capabilities and mutliple sensors including gloabal positioning, magnetometer, accelerometer, compass, proximity sensor,ambient light sensor, gyroscope, barometer, visual recorder and temperature sensor to name a few - sort of like a Star Trek Tricorder telecommunicator combined all in a 5 ounce hand held package :) ). I'm quite sure scientists 40 or 50 years ago would have said some of the things a smartphone can do would be impossible. Could they have even dreamed it would be possible? Think 100 years ago what scientists would have thought about you if you gave them the complete description of a smartphone.
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Well
I did have a nice Chat with Aurora as well as Bill....
The entire conversation was about testing the claim ,they are very receptive and open to
serious investigation of the claim by qualified individuals .[at their facility].
No problem.
More to come.
Thx
Chet
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I'm not 100% convinced Bill will have the 'never plug in' battery charger in the near future or ever but I'm willing to wait and see without saying it's not possible. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because I know he is an engineer with good credentials and has been at this concept a long time. I don't believe we as a human race know everything there is to know at this point in time. I think there are still new things to be discovered that will break old paradigms and some laws of science. My casual interest in Bills charger is not because it's a good free energy device but because it would be unique. Right now with the price he has on his basic charger one can get solar cells that will put out more than 20 amps @ 12 volts for less money. So as long as there is Sun you would get more for your battery charging money with solar.
If I did buy one I think I'm capable of testing a battery charger myself. After all I've got 4 Oscilloscopes including a 400 MHz digital Phillips, 2 digital Fluke meters along with other ones (unlike the cheapy Harbor Freight looking ones you seem to always show TK - although I know you have other decent equipment - why no quality meters?), a frequency counter, digital function generators and so on although I'm sure one could come up with some good tests that wouldn't even need all that equipment. I'm not considering buying one but I won't close the door on this idea. I just wish some others here could see there are infinite possibilities and we have barely scratched the surface .... think about where things were just 50 years ago. Most people know about or have a smartphone (calling them smartphone barely hints at what they really are - a high powered multicore CPU hand held voice or touch controlled computer with billions of bytes of storage and mutliple long distance audio and visual communication capabilities and mutliple sensors including gloabal positioning, magnetometer, accelerometer, compass, proximity sensor,ambient light sensor, gyroscope, barometer, visual recorder and temperature sensor to name a few - sort of like a Star Trek Tricorder telecommunicator combined all in a 5 ounce hand held package :) ). I'm quite sure scientists 40 or 50 years ago would have said some of the things a smartphone can do would be impossible. Could they have even dreamed it would be possible? Think 100 years ago what scientists would have thought about you if you gave them the complete description of a smartphone.
Think 100 years ahead and what computers can do then, maybe we already live in a computer simulation run by our descendants :)
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I remember Don Smith talking about his technology was also powering various vehicles like scooter and airplanes, i did some research and guess what :o
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Ahem.
For certain purposes I use ElCheepo Cen-Tech DMMs from Harbor Freight, and recently a donated Excel XL830L (which suffers much more from ambient RF than the CenTechs do), and an inexpensive ProsKit RLC meter. However.... my meters are calibrated and cross-checked by comparison to other, "higher quality" meters. Do you know, for example, the impedance of your DMM when used as an ammeter? I do. Have you ever seen anyone else measure, for example, an unknown inductance using three different methods, to make sure the commercial inductance meter is performing accurately? Is there anyone else around here who routinely uses an instrument like the Philips 6676 frequency counter, with its always-on oven-stabilized crystal oscillator reference that is precise to nine significant digits?
I work on the fringes of component ratings and I frequently work with high frequency high voltage very noisy signals. I do not like to subject my Fluke 83 or my Simpson 464 or some of my other equipment to those kinds of signals, and for routine measurements of DC voltage and current I have a dedicated pair of the CenTech models, that are known to have very small degrees of error. When I cite DC measurements from these meters I will stand by an accuracy level of under 5 percent and usually better than 2 percent error. These meters have also been calibrated using high frequency oscillating or pulsed signals and are surprisingly accurate at returning "average" values of complex signals of voltage and current. However when I use meters like these for complex signals I generally back up the measurements with numbers in boxes from the Link DSO. But which instrument is really backing up which? ;)
And as I've shown a few times, for "serious work" I have much better (read more expensive) kit available to me. But believe you me... if there is even one percent of "overunity" in any device I can fit into my lab, my own daily routine instruments and my techniques will detect it reliably.
I have to laugh when people quote five or six digits of precision in a measurement or calculation, and their apparatus is made of components stuck onto a ten-dollar breadboard and wired together with cheap Chinese colored clipleads.
OK, back to work....
:P
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I remember Don Smith talking about his technology was also powering various vehicles like scooter and airplanes, i did some research and guess what :o
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well
I did have a nice Chat with Aurora as well as Bill....
The entire conversation was about testing the claim ,they are very receptive and open to
serious investigation of the claim by qualified individuals .[at their facility].
No problem.
More to come.
Thx
Chet
Did you ask them the really hard questions:
Do you have, at the present time right now, a real operating device that works as you claim and that could be demonstrated today, to do something like charge up a battery with no external power input? Do you have, at the present time right now, a scooter that looks like the one in the photo, that can be driven around for 4 hours, say, (carrying Bill's weight) and finish up with more charge on the battery than it started with?
Or do you merely "plan" to have such devices ready by the promised dates given in the website?
I would be really curious to hear or read their exact replies to specific questions like these.
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Tinsel
It is in the works ,as a rule I don't do interrogations ,no one has to raise the hand and place it on the Bible before they speak.
Oh and No "Biker talk" ...not really concerned if the tech goes into wristwatches tricycles or
Pogo sticks...
Just that it "do what it do", And Bill says It do..
and will allow a proper test [being arranged].
thx
Chet
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Chet:
I hate to sound harsh but you are setting yourself up for a fail already. Remember the supposed movie of the magic resonating water-heating spoons?
This is not diplomacy, you don't have to be a Henry K. My advice is to just ask straight questions and report what transpires. Then decide if any effort is worth it. Why should somebody travel who knows how far to experience yet another "free energy semi-improvised theater?" Like a Yildiz "motor" demo or did you see Erron's "cop 20" teaser video for the big tech conference? (Save up for the DVD!)
Break the cycle..... please.
MileHigh
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MH
The task is just not that complicated ,I don't need to upset the cart with unnecessary
dialogue about irrelevant history or other queries .
Just a very specific test protocol will be Discussed, resulting in the ability to do a fair and honest evaluation of the collected data .
Its a 100 watt DUT which will be compared exhaustively against a well documented baseline .
the results will be self evident.,and to be perfectly honest this data will be Very valuable and useful ..................
Also ,
To be clear, No one has the time to waste on anything less than a fair and honest protocol
so as to leave no Doubt to the authenticity of the claim ,which in this case will be very easy to do.
Almost as simple as a stop watch and a toaster...with a few calibrations to qualify.
thx
Chet
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So please state the specifics of the test right now.
MileHigh
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How about you state what you would like to see?
I can not speak to the minutia of the protocol with out speaking with all the parties involved.
except to say that the "baseline" test/run battery will go thru extensive testing cycles prior to the
test.
all documented at every possible parameter and insure similar conditions during actual test of DUT.
Chet
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It doesn't make sense to throw the question back at me, I am not really following. He he has got two things, a "forever bike" and a "forever battery," is that about right?
You can sketch it out right now. You have been through this loop literally dozens of times. You are in the driver's seat.
MileHigh
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MH
it is late here ,the test will be modeled after the Claims [when we get them[,if you chose to post a protocol I will read it tomorrow .
I have No EGO here, just a brutally honest approach towards doing the best possible job.
all Constructive input is welcome.
thx
Chet
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MH
it is late here ,the test will be modeled after the Claims [when we get them[,if you chose to post a protocol I will read it tomorrow .
I have No EGO here, just a brutally honest approach towards doing the best possible job.
all Constructive input is welcome.
thxChet
Like the Muppet-Show is also happy with our M&M balcony, for that the Jetson-Owner? lets it also go in quit times, and so is all news, good-news fro them!
Chet, just see if its running below room-temp at Alex, al measurements when device is above Room-Temp are <1.
Regards, Johan
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Johan
Yes, it is said "there is no such thing as Bad advertising"..
A surfboard ....
HMMmm , Perhaps we make a Rankine powered surfboard for them?
""Organic Rankine cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FOrganic_Rankine_cycle&ei=Dca2U4KGA8yzyASP1YLICQ&usg=AFQjCNG_LUBRNjkvhLsKWdbzt3pPhhPVGg&sig2=KFsKmHZL5dFf4qJU58GtVg&bvm=bv.70138588,d.aWw)
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After all they swim in the Delta ... "T" , between the ocean and the Sun ...
we could call it the RANcid minnow...
No good??
:o
For those interested ....
the test parameters and protocol will be posted in the next week or so.
and constructive comments will be welcome.
How nice it would be to see a more courteous and respectful atmosphere and just do a good honest quality test....
"Sigh"
Thx
Chet
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Thanks for digging in deeper on this Chet! My thoughts on a test would be to do all you can to eliminate all variables except the charger. Get 2 new same batteries and load test them. Get two same loads. Run both on loads for an hour or two (same time for both). Then use the charger on one while letting the other one sit the same amount of time the one is on the charger. Re-run load tests. Swap loads but keep the same battery for putting on the charger after the test. Keep testing until the non-charged battery won't run a load anymore. If the charged battery continues to run the load you have a good sign the charger is doing it's job. But keep running the load and charge cycle for many more times. I know this could take some time but with a fairly heavy load you can run them down faster. Maybe use riding lawnmower batteries (lead acid type). And if you had enough time you could charge up the failed battery and reverse the whole process using it as the charged battery and the one that was formerly getting charged and the non-charged battery. The drawback to this type of test is it will likely take a few days. Bring your own bagels and coffee to share and maybe they won't mind you hanging around a few days ;)
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TK, I'm relieved and not surprised that you had some better meters around 8)
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e2matrix
One thing which will be on the table is "Super caps"
Bill mentioned this as an option....
quite honestly I would prefer this over battery
Thanks for you contribution.
Chet
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Why not use an actual power meter?
How often have you seen an actual power meter being used for.... input and output power tests?
8)
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MH
it is late here ,the test will be modeled after the Claims [when we get them[,if you chose to post a protocol I will read it tomorrow .
I have No EGO here, just a brutally honest approach towards doing the best possible job.
all Constructive input is welcome.
thx
Chet
It is odd that you make claims for the capabilities of tests and when MH asked you to describe the tests, you decline.
Characteristics that are desirable from tests:
Prove that the measurement equipment can reliably measure the input power.
a. Insert a decoupling filter between the power source and the load that removes all ripple from the power source side of the filter down to below a threshold appropriate to the accuracy of the result required. Ideally the insertion loss at all operating frequencies will be at least 10dB greater than the reciprocal of the required precision. For example if 1% accuracy is required, then the AC signal component post filter s/b less than 20dB below the DC signal plus 10dB of margin = -30dB.
OR
b. Prove that a power analyzer used has sufficient bandwidth, resolution, accuracy, and a low enough noise floor to measure the input power to the required accuracy.
Prove that the measurement equipment can reliably measure the output power.
a. Insert a decoupling filter between the DUT and a load bank that removes all ripple from the load side of the filter down to below a threshold appropriate to the accuracy of the result required. Ideally the insertion loss at all operating frequencies will be at least 10dB greater than the reciprocal of the required precision. For example if 1% accuracy is required, then the AC signal component post filter s/b less than 20dB below the DC signal plus 10dB of margin = -30dB.
OR
b. Prove that a power analyzer used has sufficient bandwidth, resolution, accuracy, and a low enough noise floor to measure the output power to the required accuracy.
OR
b. Prove that a power analyzer used has sufficient bandwidth, resolution, accuracy, and a low enough noise floor to measure the input power to the required accuracy.
Then conduct the tests.
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e2matrix
One thing which will be on the table is "Super caps"
Bill mentioned this as an option....
quite honestly I would prefer this over battery
Thanks for you contribution.
Chet
That would be great if you could test this with super caps since you could do something along the lines of the test I described in a much shorter time. I didn't even consider suggesting it because I thought his SmartPak might require resonating the battery chemistry in some special way to produce the result. But if it can be done with super caps that's even better proof.
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Mark
thank you
e2matrix
yes the test will be very simple using caps, and much more credible ,we are glad to have the Opportunity to respond to the offer.
Thx
Chet
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Really? Do you really think that a supercap will look the same to an intelligent battery charger, as the battery type and capacity it is designed for? Have you ever tried to charge a LiPo battery with a NiCd charger, for example? What kind of charge would a LiPo charger put onto a supercap? Would it damage the charger, would it overcharge the cap? Bill Alek could very legitimately reject any testing with supercaps and I, for one, wouldn't question him for it. Supercaps are great for running some system that is supposed to put out more energy than input, but not for battery recharging systems, because the equivalent series resistance, the response to charge current/voltage, the charge memory, and other variables are likely to be very different between supercaps and batteries of various kinds.
The manufacturers of commercial lab power analyzers publish their specifications and even provide engineering support. The one in the image I posted is decades old technology but there are even actual published reports of controlled testing comparisons with calorimetric power measurement methods. But anyone who really had an overunity electrical device would surely be able to rent a state-of-the-art modern unit that would have much better specs than that one. Wouldn't they?
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Tinsel
Thank you for your comments and concerns.
I make NO assumptions , you are weaving a story about intelligent chargers ??that sounds nothing like my recent conversation with Aurora and Bill ...as stated already.. once the specifics of the DUT are discussed an appropriate test protocol will be offered to Aurora and Bill.
OR..
any of you fellows can go and do this service for the community on your dime?
thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
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Tinsel
Thank you for your comments and concerns.
I make NO assumptions , you are weaving a story about intelligent chargers ??that sounds nothing like my recent conversation with Aurora and Bill ...as stated already.. once the specifics of the DUT are discussed an appropriate test protocol will be offered to Aurora and Bill.
OR..
any of you fellows can go and do this service for the community on your dime?
thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
I see four products, more or less, on the "products" page.
http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html (http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html)
I see a scooter that charges its own battery, a battery charger that is "self sustainable" meaning it charges batteries from... ? And a couple of self sustainable power supplies, one which apparently charges its own Lead Acid batteries (the LA model) and the other one ... already charges its own capacitors (the UC model). Surely these items qualify as "intelligent chargers". Would they charge a LiPo battery properly?
So just where are your supercaps going to fit in?
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Tinsel
Thank you for your comments and concerns.
I make NO assumptions , you are weaving a story about intelligent chargers ??that sounds nothing like my recent conversation with Aurora and Bill ...as stated already.. once the specifics of the DUT are discussed an appropriate test protocol will be offered to Aurora and Bill.
OR..
any of you fellows can go and do this service for the community on your dime?
thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Before designing a test: Obtain a performance specification. I know that TK was only offering examples, but a LiPo charger should be fine with a super cap. Bill Alek is working with Pb acid, a typical Pb acid charger is a current limited device up to the float voltage, and then trickle charges with a fixed current. That would be OK with a supercap that has an appropriately sized bleed resistor in parallel. If one wanted to get fancy, one could use a smaller value bleed resistor in series with a zener.
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Really? Do you really think that a supercap will look the same to an intelligent battery charger, as the battery type and capacity it is designed for? Have you ever tried to charge a LiPo battery with a NiCd charger, for example? What kind of charge would a LiPo charger put onto a supercap? Would it damage the charger, would it overcharge the cap? Bill Alek could very legitimately reject any testing with supercaps and I, for one, wouldn't question him for it. Supercaps are great for running some system that is supposed to put out more energy than input, but not for battery recharging systems, because the equivalent series resistance, the response to charge current/voltage, the charge memory, and other variables are likely to be very different between supercaps and batteries of various kinds.
The manufacturers of commercial lab power analyzers publish their specifications and even provide engineering support. The one in the image I posted is decades old technology but there are even actual published reports of controlled testing comparisons with calorimetric power measurement methods. But anyone who really had an overunity electrical device would surely be able to rent a state-of-the-art modern unit that would have much better specs than that one. Wouldn't they?
I basically agree with all you are saying above. No I don't think a supercap would look the same as a battery and was surprised Bill would be okay with that sort of test. But if it works with them also then all the better. Not sure why you ask putting a Lipo (usual 3.7 volt) on a NiCd charger (typical ~ 1.6 volt out to achieve about 1.45 volt charge. Seems that would make no sense to do that unless you are trying to save a really dead Lipo that's gone well below about 2.5 volts and which refuses to be charged on a smart Lipo charger (somewhat dangerous to try recovering them after they go too low).
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I basically agree with all you are saying above. No I don't think a supercap would look the same as a battery and was surprised Bill would be okay with that sort of test. But if it works with them also then all the better. Not sure why you ask putting a Lipo (usual 3.7 volt) on a NiCd charger (typical ~ 1.6 volt out to achieve about 1.45 volt charge. Seems that would make no sense to do that unless you are trying to save a really dead Lipo that's gone well below about 2.5 volts and which refuses to be charged on a smart Lipo charger (somewhat dangerous to try recovering them after they go too low).
I used the example to illustrate that modern battery chargers are specific to battery chemistry! And if you want to charge a supercap with a battery charger, the charger will not function properly (meaning as designed, like putting the proper voltage and current or hooking to the Quantum Ether or whatever.) You are going to have to use some extra circuitry... to emulate the characteristics of the battery the charger is designed for, and this gives the claimant the wiggle room he needs. No matter how much extra circuitry you add to your supercap, it still won't have that Special Something that allows the Auroratech battery charger to produce Overunity. Or so Bill can claim, with perfect face validity. That is my whole point.
So a test with supercaps, failing as it is sure to do, will not prove anything. Of course, if the supercaps/plus extra circuitry retain their charge while you are driving around the parking lot with the scooter for hours and hours, that will be a different story. But I still don't see how that would be different from testing using your own battery of the proper type.
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Quote from Bill about his 100 watt proprietary Transformer.
"it works with Super Caps Too"
I don't see any Wiggle there?
Thx
Chet
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Quote from Bill about his 100 watt proprietary Transformer.
"it works with Super Caps Too"
I don't see any Wiggle there?
Thx
Chet
Good, then Bill Alek should have little difficulty specifying performance that he believes his devices can absolutely, positively meet. From that performance criteria a qualification test can be devised.
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Mark E
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From that performance criteria a qualification test can be devised.
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WOW !!
How about That....
Nothing "ODD" at all about that is there?
thank you
Chet
enjoy the rest of your weekend...[My work Weeks don't have ends...and I love it that way]
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Ok guys, let's get back to the facts: in this Bill's page (2006) I think there's some clue about operation theory of its system with the use of Perrault's valves.
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SmartPAK_xPOD/SmartPAK_xPOD.htm
and here another fundamental Bill's document:
http://solidstate.um.ac.ir/parameters/solidstate/filemanager/William_Alek_-_How_to_Build_Solid-State_Electrical_Over-Unity_Devices_%28free_energy%29.pdf
Now we can discuss about something.
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SmartPAK: (from 2006)
SmartPAK is the world's first all solid-state Radiant Energy Management System that collects radiant energy as excess electrical energy. It provides a "standard" platform for experimenters, researchers, and developers to do energy-related practical applications, experiments, and perform exploration of the Radiant Energy phenomena. The theory of operation is based on the difference of energy between magnetization / demagnetization cycles of a transformer / Perreault Valve Head Assembly, which is called an xPOD Head Assembly. It has been discovered EXCESS energy is released during the demagnetization portion of the cycle using a suitable xPOD Head Assembly. The SmartPAK system is specially designed to measure, collect, and store this excess energy for later use.
It's 2014 now and the text above is the usual nonsensical idiocy. Sorry to be so harsh but what I am saying is absolutely true.
This reminds me of the Bob Boyce "hex controller." When Bob Boyce discusses electronics and serves up a totally incomprehensible word salad that means nothing. I challenged him on a word salad posting once and he ran away.
I attached a graphic from the pdf and it's more nonsensical junk.
Chet: Almost certainly Bill is reading this thread. He sees that very technical people like TK and Mark E are involved. He knows that he doesn't stand a chance to pitch his BS to them. Don't let yourself become a pawn. If you and someone else are going to visit this guy or whatever, go in with a mutually-agreed upon document that describes exactly what is supposed to transpire and what tests are going to be made. Share the document right here in this thread before you pursue whatever it is you are going to pursue with Bill Alek.
Why are you even discussing supercaps? Any ordinary battery could charge a supercap hundreds of times or more. I can't imagine a viable test being done with supercaps. You disagree? Let's see what is in the suggested publicly shared test protocol document.
Produce the mutually agreed upon document before you visit this guy or whatever you are going to do. Don't walk in there with everything verbally agreed upon because you will likely be snowed over by Bill with stories of excuses and setbacks and changes and lies.
Also, assuming something goes wrong and Bill falls flat on his face then have the guts to report the bad news in all its glory. To the best of my knowledge you never said anything about that ridiculous "resonating spoons" guy when it all fell apart.
MileHigh
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Ok guys, let's get back to the facts: in this Bill's page (2006) I think there's some clue about operation theory of its system with the use of Perrault's valves.
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SmartPAK_xPOD/SmartPAK_xPOD.htm
and here another fundamental Bill's document:
http://solidstate.um.ac.ir/parameters/solidstate/filemanager/William_Alek_-_How_to_Build_Solid-State_Electrical_Over-Unity_Devices_%28free_energy%29.pdf
Now we can discuss about something.
He thinks that he can configure a transformer to become a free energy machine. He is very confused.
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Here is a damning clip of Bill Alek if there ever was one:
"Bill Alek's Free Energy Carbon-Arc Device"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKfebTL2iiY
He says, "You just turn the handle and it collects static electricity from the air."
That is a totally incorrect statement by Bill. So Bill doesn't even know how a Whimshurst machine works.
Then, later in the clip, he makes the absolutely laughable and outrageous claim that his setup is a fusion energy device.
Chet: I am satisfied that Bill has been qualified. This whole thing is junk and you are chasing after this guy because he downloaded some pictures from the web site of a cheap bike manufacturer and photoshopped the images. He has nothing, and I mean nothing.
MileHigh
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Ahh come on you guys are just playing dirty now :P
Get through this paper by Bill and then show where he's wrong and tell me he is laughable stupid - 122 pages in the attached PDF below.
And these two pictures are what he had 12 years ago (and one 11 years ago). Just think where it's at now.
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Fellahs
been a while since we "engaged"
figured I would see what it would be like if you actually had an opportunity to contribute to the vetting of a claim...
as anonymous individuals you thro too much slander and Libel around addressing persons By name and accusing them of all manner of crimes or scams with no personal knowledge whatsoever.
Mh you keep mentioning Spoons ,I have never played the spoons or resonated them or whatever you are trying to remember
I believe you are referring to the work of professor Savic who holds several degrees and PhD's in Physics , chemistry, Biology and is an EE as well, perhaps that's the fellow you remember Me working with?he also claimed a certain frequency in water caused anomalies , imagine _that_ another physicist with similar claims??
Oh by all means do what you dooooo
talk trash from the safety of anonymity about public persons...
with no effort whatsoever to Engage the Men you Libel...
EVER ???
My comments are strictly limited to the persons mentioned in these two threads that you fellows are hounding me on
Oh and MH's reference to Dr Savic's work too.
your input is absolutely NOT required, it was merely an attempt on my part to see if you would contribute anything helpful if given the opportunity.
and just to be clear it was an honest, hopeful gesture on my part no sneaky agenda whatsoever.
ODD very odd indeed...
thx
Chet
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Another one of his 'Old' builds of the SmartPak below. Would you go full on PCB with a build like this if it didn't test out showing a COP > 1 ?
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Chet:
For starters I gave you good advice in a few postings about getting things straight before you talk to Bill Alek. That was a perfectly valid contribution to your vetting of a claim. Do you know how many times Sterling or experimenters get snowed over by unscrupulous people? Look at the recent Akula fiasco. They made PCBs and sent them to experimenters all over the world for nothing. Just total BS.
So it wasn't spoons, I think was bells, right? Bells in a coffee cup connected to the mains power was supposed to produce over unity heat generation? Am I right? You talked to this guy and you said a movie was going to be produced demonstrating the alleged technology and nothing happened. You got snowed by that idiot and had nothing to show for it.
Yes, I really can look at clips and state that you are looking at a fake free energy buffoon. I have made that call several times and was right. For Christ's sake, the guy lifts images from the Internet and photoshops them, he doesn't even know how a Whimshurst generator works, and he talks outrageous nonsense about "fusion" taking place in his Grade 7 science fair experiment. And you want to pursue something with this guy? Nothing will ever come from the bicycle that I believe he buys and sticks his decals on and resells. The free energy charger is nonsense.
Don't you think it's strange when somebody claims they have a free energy machine but it will first be available in a hearing aid or a bicycle or a battery charger? It's completely ridiculous. If it was real, the "magic box" would speak for itself, you don't have to claim it's a battery charger. It would shake up the world, it would not be presented by some guy at some 10' x 10' booth at some alternative conference.
Like I said, when your misadventure fails miserably have the guts to report the truth. Don't just clam up like you did for the magic bells guy.
E2matrix:
Another one of his 'Old' builds of the SmartPak below. Would you go full on PCB with a build like this if it didn't test out showing a COP > 1 ?
You see this all the time. These are just props to facilitate revenue generation. It's like a telephone on a movie set that's not used in the scene so it is not even connected.
There is no way you can make a PCB design stuffed with any combination of electronics components that will produce over unity. It's not going to happen and certainly nothing will come from Bill Alek. Assuming that he actually designed some of this stuff and didn't just lift pictures of legitimate PCB designs from some company's web site, it's nonsensical pulsing of coils for the millionth time.
If myself, TK, and Mark E were with Bill Alek on a bench and he tried to demonstrate his "technology" to us and the three of us had free reign to ask whatever questions we wanted and to ask him to show us live measurements, Bill Alek would likely crack. Within a few minutes he would kick us out as it became more and more apparent that he did not have a clue what he was talking about.
My gut feel is that Bill Alek has no clue how an inductor actually works, just like 90% of the experimenters on the free energy forums.
MileHigh
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The results On the Savic device were posted years ago by Dr.Jones.
If you called Bill and acted like a gentlemen [any of you] he would probably offer you the same access he offered Me.
much easier to do it your way tho....
If I grabbed every nasty comment you have made about Bill and posted them side by side with your alleged help ful Post??
at least ten to one against Mr Helpy helperton........
Please don't feel the need to be so helpful!!
you are completely disingenuous and doing nothing more than trying to highlight your abilities
I have no more time to waste with anonymous nasty 'experts"
Thx
Chet
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And what were the results of the Savic device in a nutshell?
If you called Bill and acted like a gentlemen [any of you] he would probably offer you the same access he offered Me.
The problem is that you are not dealing with a gentleman yourself. Attempting to sell junk fantasies to gullible people is not being a gentleman at all.
I am being real and taking Bill at face value in his clips and his presentation. That's all I have to say for now. I am looking forward to seeing the results of your engagement with Bill Alek. If you act mostly opaque about what transpires then I have to assume that you discovered the whole thing was BS.
MileHigh
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Another one of his 'Old' builds of the SmartPak below. Would you go full on PCB with a build like this if it didn't test out showing a COP > 1 ?
There are tests, and there are tests. And then there are interpretations of test data. Where is the _raw test data_ that was used to support the COP>1 claim made for that apparatus? I would like to review it.
Have you been following the QEG saga? James Robitaille and his stepdaughter have talked groups all over the world into spending thousands of dollars on a big heavy "generator" based on testing that was, by JR's own admission, not thorough and not indicating _actual_ overunity performance... even though the stepdaughter proceeded to ask for and get over a hundred thousand dollars in donations by claiming it was already proven to work. And the donations and "testing" are still rolling along, yet all of their _own_ published data indicates miserable efficiencies of under 50 percent. Yet they claimed as much as 33x OU. And the bottom is beginning to fall out of that story, as lots of people are beginning to realize they have been taken for a ride.
So yes, I believe that there are many people who would go "full on" with a PCB, based on faulty measurements or interpretations. After all, if you have the money, it's trivial to lay out a circuit in simulation, generate a PCB pattern and send it off for manufacturing. In a week you have your prototype boards in hand, and it sure beats sticking all those little parts into a breadboard and connecting them with clipleads. You will never attract the Big Fish with a breadboard!
Would I do it myself? Sure, I've been known to make simple PC boards to facilitate testing and demonstration of claimed OU devices.
In fact... there is a little sub-discussion happening right now in another thread about one of my devices that easily produces measurements that indicate ridiculously large "overunity" output values, and I did make a PCB for one model of that circuit. Would you like to invest in my system? Or would you like to learn just how and why the measurements aren't actually indicating any overunity performance? How is your attitude towards me different from your attitude towards Bill Alek, and why? Think about it.
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Well i for one are greatful of Chet for bringing to our attention new devices that pop up. And unlike Sterling,Chet dose not stand to profit from any of this-so thanks Chet.
But i must also say that there are far to many scamers out there today,that can pull the wool over unsuspecting eye's. I showed not long ago,how easy it is to get people to believe that you have something fantastic-simply by changing the numerical value of a cap. Some people didnt care to much for what i did,but most understood as to why i did it(in the hight of the Akula rush)-and i will do it again,although with a little more warning first.
Chet-as always,i am happy to fork out cash to get to the truth-can i buy one of these devices above?- a complete,ready to go machine.I know it will be a waste of money,but hey, maybe i can use it as a battery charger after testing.
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Brad
Thanks for the explanation of my Intent,I just look for the truth... and when a man or woman invites me to his House to bring qualified persons to test his technology...
Well, the discussion here should be about "how can we help" not 5 pages of unrelated [to the task] nonsense .
I think it has something to do with Pride and Ego ...
something like "Look at me and how smart I am ... That guys an idiot He's nowhere near as gifted as I am why would I waste my time with that crap...
I'm too busy showing the other guys here how stupid The QYZ guys are to give you help
in a real life, real time test of an OU claim....
We're way too busy fighting this "shadow battle" all over make believe land ....
I will ask again
Once I get the Details of the Claim on this Transformer ,
would Mark E ,Tinsel Or MH agree upon a Test protocol ...
I only do this because I don't like Monday morning Quarter backs.
and I think it would be a good thing for this... Errr Community.
thx
ChetKremens@gmail.com
PS
Brad [TinMan] if this works as advertised and passes the Rigor of these fellows
you'll have to get on line to buy one....[although _their_ rigor is not required here]
And for clarity this entire endeavor is not for profit or gain or "free stuff"
absolutely nothing in return .... [except a copy of the report]
For additional Clarity PLEASE no condescending advice or Alternative suggestions ..
just a test protocol that you three would be happy with.
ONCE I GET THE DETAILS ,,NOT BEFORE !!
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Well i for one are greatful of Chet for bringing to our attention new devices that pop up. And unlike Sterling,Chet dose not stand to profit from any of this-so thanks Chet.
But i must also say that there are far to many scamers out there today,that can pull the wool over unsuspecting eye's. I showed not long ago,how easy it is to get people to believe that you have something fantastic-simply by changing the numerical value of a cap. Some people didnt care to much for what i did,but most understood as to why i did it(in the hight of the Akula rush)-and i will do it again,although with a little more warning first.
Chet-as always,i am happy to fork out cash to get to the truth-can i buy one of these devices above?- a complete,ready to go machine.I know it will be a waste of money,but hey, maybe i can use it as a battery charger after testing.
The thing that I see is that this is the first "reasonable" device that I've seen that if shipped in any kind of reasonable timeframe,
would make validation pretty much of a sure thing. It's one thing if the device shows reasonable behavior in Auroratek labs, it's
another if it shows reasonable behavior in your own.
If its an energy source with a battery to get it started, and a charger to keep an acid/lead battery from dying prematurely,
I would be a satisfied customers. Micro controlled battery chargers can get quite sophisticated these days, but the main item is
to stop charging the battery when the voltage gets to the charge termination voltage, and to start charging if it is not. I think
any kind of battery charger would prove that Bill can throttle his energy source to change it's output level rather then do a dump
load resistive energy dump.
Also it looks like Bill and Aurora are kind of doing this on the side, I doubt that they will be unveiling all these devices at the same
time. I frankly would much rather skip any "word salad theory" and being forced to pay homage to "theories unknown" but simply
gain access to a reasonable energy source. I'd much rather have Bill say when asked how it works; "Well, that's proprietary information".
Don't talk about it...ship it! As long as it doesn't end up creating miniature black-holes, I think most people are much less interested
in accessing other dimensions and having antigravity under their belts as they are in having free energy.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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One more comment to the overunity.com Vetting Crew
No ones sir name will EVER be attached or referenced or even asked for here..[or elsewhere].
your test protocol should be self evident and speak for itself .
Dr.Jones has plenty of Known and lifelong associates for this purpose.
here you are asked to play first string and step up to the plate.
thx
Chet
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There are tests, and there are tests. And then there are interpretations of test data. Where is the _raw test data_ that was used to support the COP>1 claim made for that apparatus? I would like to review it.
Have you been following the QEG saga? James Robitaille and his stepdaughter have talked groups all over the world into spending thousands of dollars on a big heavy "generator" based on testing that was, by JR's own admission, not thorough and not indicating _actual_ overunity performance... even though the stepdaughter proceeded to ask for and get over a hundred thousand dollars in donations by claiming it was already proven to work. And the donations and "testing" are still rolling along, yet all of their _own_ published data indicates miserable efficiencies of under 50 percent. Yet they claimed as much as 33x OU. And the bottom is beginning to fall out of that story, as lots of people are beginning to realize they have been taken for a ride.
So yes, I believe that there are many people who would go "full on" with a PCB, based on faulty measurements or interpretations. After all, if you have the money, it's trivial to lay out a circuit in simulation, generate a PCB pattern and send it off for manufacturing. In a week you have your prototype boards in hand, and it sure beats sticking all those little parts into a breadboard and connecting them with clipleads. You will never attract the Big Fish with a breadboard!
Would I do it myself? Sure, I've been known to make simple PC boards to facilitate testing and demonstration of claimed OU devices.
In fact... there is a little sub-discussion happening right now in another thread about one of my devices that easily produces measurements that indicate ridiculously large "overunity" output values, and I did make a PCB for one model of that circuit. Would you like to invest in my system? Or would you like to learn just how and why the measurements aren't actually indicating any overunity performance? How is your attitude towards me different from your attitude towards Bill Alek, and why? Think about it.
Not so much an attitude as just a knowing of where Bill has spent much of his spare time in the last 15 years or so versus where you have spent yours. He has been focused on this one concept for a long time (based loosely I believe on Tom Bearden's MEG) and doesn't spend a lot of time on forums refuting hundreds of different devices and concepts. It would also appear he 'believes' free energy is possible whereas it would appear you lean toward 'believing' it is not. You empower that which you focus on.
Here is what I 'believe'. I believe mainstream science, physics, electrical and magnetic theory is seriously flawed and most of the people here who are trashing any hope for this device (as well as other devices) are basing their comments on flawed theories.
Below is a quote from a person on another forum who seems to have a much better understanding of electricity and magnetism. I would suggest everyone take a look at this and ask yourself if the information you have been taught is really correct.
A discussion regarding Jefimenko and this book leads into some interesting and relevant quotes from the book and why I think most mainstream info is WRONG.
"Causality, Electromagnetic Induction, and Gravitation: A Different Approach to the Theory of Electromagnetic and Gravitational Fields, 2nd edition: Oleg D. Jefimenko: 9780917406232: Amazon.com: Books
If you dont know who he was, he was no 'quack' or 'fringe' scientist------
Jefimenko received his B.A. at Lewis and Clark College (1952). He received his M. A. at the University of Oregon (1954). He received his Ph.D. at the University of Oregon (1956). Jefimenko has worked for the development of the theory of electromagnetic retardation and relativity. In 1956, he was awarded the Sigma Xi Prize. In 1971 and 1973, he won awards in the AAPT Apparatus Competition. Jefimenko has constructed and operated electrostatic generators run by atmospheric electricity.
As to FARADAY and MAXWELL, Jefimenko has causation formulas which have FAR FAR reaching implications for power production, but namely to quote him in his exhaustive research into Maxwell and Faraday:
Quotes from the book:
"Neither Maxwell equations nor their solutions indicate a causal existence between electrical and magnetic fields. ......Therefore we must....."
As formula 1.5.1 shows there can exist "sourceless" EM fields whereas formula V-28 shows such fields are impossible (as per Maxwell
Causation formulas show that mutual instant EM induction as a phenomena in which one fields 'creates' the other is impossible (formula 1.4.1 1.4.2)
Faraday NEVER even as much as suggested that induced currents were the result of charging magnetic fields, On the contrary he clearly associates the phenomena of EM induction with changing electrical currents.
Maxwell......considered EM induction as phenomena in which a EMF is induced in a circuit..but NOT as phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field.....NO SUCH WRITING (of Maxwell on this) EXISTS.
He clearly states that the induced EMF is "measured BY , but not CAUSED BY the changing magnetic field". Just as Faraday , he made NO allusion to ANY causal link between magnetic and electric fields (as we conceive them).
"Thus according to Maxwell, the displacement current was not a changing electric field....as we interpret it today, but a displacement of electrical charges (inertial) residing inside the dielectric media"
(DOLLARD WOULD LOVE THAT QUOTE<<<<<<)
However.....the expression of "force exerted by a moving magnet" is actually a misnomer, since as we have proven (formulas 1st chapter) this force has no causal link with the magnetic field of the magnet. The phenomena of "induced electric force" or "induced current" by a moving magnet is simply the effect of the electric field caused by the collection translational motion of the (inter-atomic) currents participating in the circulation of magnetism
If you think Oleg is a "nut" after reading that, Id remind you 70% of his book is formulas for which NOT ONE person I have ever seen (and I have looked) has EVER refuted a single one of them."
The person writing the above message on EF is the person I brought up in a thread I started on him and his dedicated long time study of magnetism and the book he has written on the real nature of magnetism. Below is a link to his new thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/showthread.php?s=b7bc671d6faceba07c4b0a645a58334e&t=19554 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/showthread.php?s=b7bc671d6faceba07c4b0a645a58334e&t=19554)
titled "Free energy' thats been hiding under your noses from Faraday and Maxwell themselves"
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The thing that I see is that this is the first "reasonable" device that I've seen that if shipped in any kind of reasonable timeframe,
would make validation pretty much of a sure thing. It's one thing if the device shows reasonable behavior in Auroratek labs, it's
another if it shows reasonable behavior in your own.
If its an energy source with a battery to get it started, and a charger to keep an acid/lead battery from dying prematurely,
I would be a satisfied customers. Micro controlled battery chargers can get quite sophisticated these days, but the main item is
to stop charging the battery when the voltage gets to the charge termination voltage, and to start charging if it is not. I think
any kind of battery charger would prove that Bill can throttle his energy source to change it's output level rather then do a dump
load resistive energy dump.
Also it looks like Bill and Aurora are kind of doing this on the side, I doubt that they will be unveiling all these devices at the same
time. I frankly would much rather skip any "word salad theory" and being forced to pay homage to "theories unknown" but simply
gain access to a reasonable energy source. I'd much rather have Bill say when asked how it works; "Well, that's proprietary information".
Don't talk about it...ship it! As long as it doesn't end up creating miniature black-holes, I think most people are much less interested
in accessing other dimensions and having antigravity under their belts as they are in having free energy.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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Chet, in order to design a realistic test protocol, we absolutely need to know some details first.
What exactly are the claims? How does this apparatus perform differently from other state-of-the-art, but not "overunity", apparatuses of similar kind?
In what form is the energy input to the device? In what form is the energy output from the device?
Will the testers be allowed to see a schematic of the device if it is electrical, or some actual engineering drawings of it if it is mechanical, before deciding what and how to test?
Where is the _raw data_ that leads the claimant to state that this device is special or different from "ordinary" devices of similar kind?
Answer these questions and perhaps you'll get a reasonable test protocol. Waving your hands around and saying "it's a better battery charger, Bill invited me home for dinner, now how can I test it" isn't going to get you very far.
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@e2matrix: You have a great problem. Please explain how and why all those people who are working with what you call 'seriously flawed' EM theory are able successfully to design things like... for one example... the computer you are reading this on, whereas those who believe in other formulations... like Alek for example.... cannot design anything that actually works as they claim.
Why is that? Please explain.
And I would also submit to you that you have no idea how I've spent my time over the past fifteen years. But you can consider this: Bill Alek is still paying for his electricity, and the devices I have built in that time frame work exactly as I have described them. Bill cannot say the same thing. Antigravity? I laugh at you and your citations of Jefimenko, whom you clearly have never read in the original and couldn't understand if you had.
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Tinsel
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Chet, in order to design a realistic test protocol, we absolutely need to know some details first.
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I could not agree more.
I will post those details when we get the information[couple days ]
Very nice...
also,
I'll try not to wave my arms around soo much ,i forgot you can see me.
also also
Tinsel
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And I would also submit to you that you have no idea how I've spent my time over the past fifteen years. But you can consider this: Bill Alek is still paying for his electricity, and the devices I have built in that time frame work exactly as I have described them.
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I would Also, also submit..
Jack and Konstantin from Solar Hydrogen technologies say the same thing about the last 15 years
of _their_ lives , only now they have gone soo far that Nobody believes them?
even when they have independent certified Test Laboratories issue 3rd party verification of their claims ....
sigh,,,
its just not fair......
Thx
Chet
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Chet and TK:
Why should we have to design test protocols for Bill if he has been working on his "technology" for years? Certainly he has to have been testing what he has been working on for years. There is no way anyone should let Bill "play dumb" with respect to a test protocol.
So I say that Bill should submit his claims and his own test protocols. I am talking about precise test protocols including any support circuitry and precise descriptions of his measurement techniques. I refuse to believe that he can't do this.
Let him also share some of his historical test data for his projects. Why not? Let's see if Bill himself can describe his own test protocol first.
Then we can have a look at his claims, his own test protocols, and his own historical test data. Then we can consider that information for a new round of test protocols that are defined in this thread.
In other words, what sense is there in someone saying, "I have a free energy device that outputs electrical power, here are my claims, and now it's up to you guys to figure out how to test it."
The above makes no sense in the overall scheme of things. If I had been working on a free energy "magic box" for one or three or 15 years I sure as hell should know how to test it. At this point in time I should have run hundreds and hundreds of tests on my own and understand its power output capabilities in intimate detail. If you ask me how to test it, I should be able to respond in an instant with how to test it. I should not have to rely on other people to test it for me.
For example, if I am debugging a circuit board with a scope and a logic analyzer for two months and you ask me a question about testing it, I should be able to respond right away with 100% confidence in what I am saying. Most of the responses should be almost pure reflex. What makes the state machine remain in idle mode? How often does the state machine service a row memory refresh cycle and what signal initiates it? How much ringing is there along the row and column select lines? Those are the things you should know by heart if you have been debugging your memory refresh controller for two months.
So, please take my suggestion to heart: Let Bill submit his performance claims, a suggested test protocol with full and complete details especially precisely how to make the measurements, and some of his own historical test data backing up his claim - before we do anything concrete. Why not do it this way? If Bill is real he should be able to provide this information no hassle, no flinching, no complaining.
MileHigh
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@e2matrix: You have a great problem. Please explain how and why all those people who are working with what you call 'seriously flawed' EM theory are able successfully to design things like... for one example... the computer you are reading this on, whereas those who believe in other formulations... like Alek for example.... cannot design anything that actually works as they claim.
Why is that? Please explain.
And I would also submit to you that you have no idea how I've spent my time over the past fifteen years. But you can consider this: Bill Alek is still paying for his electricity, and the devices I have built in that time frame work exactly as I have described them. Bill cannot say the same thing. Antigravity? I laugh at you and your citations of Jefimenko, whom you clearly have never read in the original and couldn't understand if you had.
No problem at all but do I really have to explain it? I consider any law (but are they really laws or all just theories?) that doesn't fit all circumstances it tries to describe as 'flawed' if even one situation does not fit in it's explicit description. You could say I consider it seriously flawed because I don't think people expounding theories as laws should be doing so until they have been proven right for all situations. So standard EM theory and laws work for a lot of common situations but IMO does not work for everything and that is why I believe we are stuck with no free energy devices readily available at this time. But what I am pointing a finger at more so than standard EM theory (even though I believe it's all related) is gravity and magnetism. Show me a physicist that really knows WHY gravity exists or why magnetism exists. One who can come up with a bit more than the current ridiculous explanations. I think they have meticulously hidden or suppressed the few details that can free humanity.
I didn't say I know what you have been doing the last 15 years or so but I know Bill has spent a lot of time on this project in that time frame. What I did say is that he has not been seen spending a lot of time on forums diving into all sorts of different projects to expound how much greater his knowledge is than everyone else. However it is obvious you have spent a lot of time in the last few years doing just that. I'm not saying it is wrong that you do this although more than one person seems to think it's an 'ego' thing that you are doing much of the time. I don't really care other than I think it may at times stifle freedom of exploration and thought when someone is always saying or implying 'it's impossible'.
What bothers me a bit though is when someone like Bill has spent a great amount of time to build something and fine tune it and says that he finally has something that can provide free energy and people trash him without having even seen what he has. Sure go ahead and point out what everyone should know and has always been a very basic concept instilled in people from the day they got their first dollar to spend: Buyer Beware. Due your due diligence.
But so far people are going way beyond that when they haven't even seen any test results whatsoever of this device. Can we all exercise a little restraint from the bashing?
You are right that I have not read Jefimenko's book but I can assure you that if I chose to do so and if I had the desire to dig into it I could most definitely understand it. I'm not going to get into the reasons why I know this because it would put me in an uncomfortable place and I refuse to go there.
Also in regards to the QEG, FTW and Hopegirl yes I have followed some of it despite having been on vacation for a while. Yes I know they are struggling but we see differently on that too. I think they have good intentions and those are not just about making money for their selves. Whether they succeed or not with the QEG I think they have been a huge success in another way. When the QEG started going viral on the Internet it brought 'HOPE' to a lot of people and even more important IMO it brought awareness of potential alternate energy sources, awareness of suppression of alternate energy and awareness that there may still be ways to save this planet, clean up the polluting energy sources and free man from the slavery created by the world energy and banking cartels.
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E2matrix:
I may try to address your full posting tomorrow (I am over tired right now), but right now I just want to touch on this one point:
clean up the polluting energy sources and free man from the slavery created by the world energy and banking cartels
"Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints."
You say "slavery" and I say "freedom."
You really and truly and truly use the term "slavery." It's an often repeated cliche that we have all read thousands of times. I say the true term is "freedom."
I challenge you to "think outside of the box" and tell me why the word should be "freedom." Come on now, I challenge you to turn your thinking around by 180 degrees and argue why the word should be "freedom."
I am not saying that you have to think like that. Rather, I am challenging you to use your intellect to argue the opposite argument to what you are stating. Let's see some intelligent rhetoric and logical reasoning and deduction from you to argue "freedom" as opposed to "slavery."
MileHigh
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I would Also, also submit..
Jack and Konstantin from Solar Hydrogen technologies say the same thing about the last 15 years
of _their_ lives , only now they have gone soo far that Nobody believes them?
even when they have independent certified Test Laboratories issue 3rd party verification of their claims ....
sigh,,,
its just not fair......
Thx
Chet
The problem with SHT is that their H2 production versus energy in, and the fact that only H2 is produced, is consistent with what would be expected if aluminum billet or electrodes were being converted to aluminum oxide. I also believe that they stated that electrodes needed to be replaced regularly, which is also consistent with conversion of aluminum to its oxide.
There is at least one patent on a similar process, and Renault, Peugeot or Fiat (can't remember which) looked into using aluminum in this process as an alternate fuel source some time ago. In the version they tested, the end of a a spool of Al wire contacted a rotating steel drum as current passed between them. The Al captured the Oxy in the H2O as the Al was converted to the oxide and pure H2 was released for use as fuel. The Al wire was advanced from the spool as the Al was consumed (oxidized). The AlO2 was filtered from the H2O/electrolyte and could later be collected, removed and then recycled for conversion back to pure AL It takes a lot of energy (heat) to convert the AlO2 back to Al, and it is this energy that is "stored" in the Al and used to assist the decomposition of the water.
Similar systems chemically decompose Al to its oxide using a strong base for example, and I also believe I saw one system that merely mechanically scraped the surface of an Al billet to expose fresh Al while underwater (Al has a very strong affinity for oxygen).
So far, it seems that only SHT's claim of the input energy required versus H2 output has been verified, with most other aspects being held as proprietary. Their claims are not "unbelievable", but until all consumables are known, the jury remains out as to whether this is some new, unique, or unexplained process...
PW
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E2matrix:
I may try to address your full posting tomorrow (I am over tired right now), but right now I just want to touch on this one point:
"Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints."
You say "slavery" and I say "freedom."
You really and truly and truly use the term "slavery." It's an often repeated cliche that we have all read thousands of times. I say the true term is "freedom."
I challenge you to "think outside of the box" and tell me why the word should be "freedom." Come on now, I challenge you to turn your thinking around by 180 degrees and argue why the word should be "freedom."
I am not saying that you have to think like that. Rather, I am challenging you to use your intellect to argue the opposite argument to what you are stating. Let's see some intelligent rhetoric and logical reasoning and deduction from you to argue "freedom" as opposed to "slavery."
MileHigh
LOL you picked up on that .... and you are right that many of us in America have a lot of freedom and things have gotten better and better in the last hundred years in many ways. But I say slavery because I am pushing for things to get far better yet. There is no longer any question in my mind or the minds of thousands of scientists that we as a planet need to change some things about how we produce energy if we are to survive as a race. I believe we are being held prisoner is a manner of speaking by certain small groups on this planet that already have many sources of cleaner and better sources of energy. There are many reasons they still hold on to their 'precious' devices. I would like to see that change as I'm sure most people here would. I believe there could be a great deal more 'freedom' if those changes come about. So relative to that time I envision in the future we are currently enslaved. Can you imagine the real freedom that could be with small powerful long lasting energy sources?
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Slavery??? We are all slaves, thats part of being human. There are differnt levels of slaverly as are different levels of senority.
Freedom??? There is no such thing as freedom when we have laws that keep us from doing what ever we want to do without possible punishment. But, without laws, we would be subject to having less freedoms then what we do.
We are all subect to lose what freedom we have aswell as everything we own at any given time. True freedom is impossible.
Those two words as well as many others are used very loosly without being well thought out before being used.
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Freedom MH?
Lets look at the definition of freedom.
1-the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint:
2-exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3-the power to determine action without restraint.
4-political or national independence.
5-personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery:
Hell-just looking at number 2 clearly show's we dont have freedom.
Take a stroll through the center of town naked MH (not that we would want to see that),and see how far your freedom go's. We are not free to do as we choose at all,and slowly but surely,our freedoms that we do have,are being stripped away.Did the American people have the freedom of choice to say !NO,i dont want Obama care!-nup,ya didnt,it was forced apon you-like it or not(external control right there). Did the Australian people have a choice to keep there gun's,after one clown(yes,only one) went on a shooting spree,and killed a number of people-no ,we didnt. All us law abiding people had our guns taken away from us,like it or not.External control and regulation right there.Oh,and guess what-the crims can still buy the gun they need on the black market-worked a treat ,that law did-nothing more than clowns at the helm.
Soon we will have to pay a carbon tax just for breathing-hell,some countries are even pushing for a sun light tax WTF?. Imagin that-having to pay for a sun tan on the beach lol. You may laugh,but the day will come when this is not so funny-oop's,it's here for some already.External control,interference and regulation right there.
http://www.solarcitizens.org.au/suntax
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/would-coalition-states-tax-the-sun-to-protect-utilities-29708
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E2matrix:
Yes indeed, your line about being "enslaved" by the energy and banking cartels is just hysterical rhetoric due to the "cry baby" syndrome. The ability to get access to energy has made everyone's lives easier. Instead of going out and gathering wood and chopping it and tending a fire which might take up several hours a day, you might only have to work minutes per day to pay for your electricity and oil. Access to lots of energy has made your life more fulfilling and better than most people of the 19th century could ever imagine. The banks and venture capital firms probably financed the bulk of the PC industry and the networking industry.
So thanks to the evil oil companies and the evil banks you can sit back in your armchair in your air conditioned house and whine about how miserable they make you and how much they oppress you. You poor cry baby, you want it all for nearly nothing and you won't be satisfied until you get it.
Your fantasy that the "US Navy has submarines that run on all-magnet motors and the certain groups are holding back amazing energy secrets" is just a fantasy. Just like you believe that there are major flaws in EM theory and the 493rd magic box proposition that you encounter just might be real this time. From what I see most of the people that do the "EM laws are just laws made by man" schtick know very little about electronics and EM theory and they argue that point out of blind ignorance and wishful thinking.
MileHigh
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Well we've been down this road before and you can throw insults out but it all comes down to what you want to believe. Do you believe people like Astronaut Gordon Cooper are lying? All the military and government witnesses that Greer has interviewed - all lies? Some of them are very old people with nothing to lose if the 'let the cat out of the bag' despite threats by their superiors and government to never say anything. Have you seen Greer's latest video - not the Sirius project - but another shorter clip. You can of course assume he is lying too and while I have at times questioned him I think knowing his own early experiences and his passion that he pursues this with that there is little doubt he is being honest about the info he has gained from all these witnesses. And that info says there are definitely groups with the technology to free man from oil, coal and other polluting energy sources. The latest bit of info to come out from that video involved some very rich billionaires meeting in which Greer was invited to speak. What came out of it was that no one wanted to be the 'first' to start a business that would go up against the existing energy cartels IIRC. This video at a briefing in Washington D.C. by Greer covers that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZvF8po3fRw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZvF8po3fRw)
I challenge everyone to watch that 14 minute video. There was new info in it I had not come across before even though I've seen most of Greer's videos and have seen him in person. Yes I know some years back Greer got sucked into a deal that had promised to be a new free energy source and that all fell apart. I'm sure he was set up to discredit him and try to shut him up. But since that time he has produced too much hard evidence and highly credible witnesses to ignore. The biggest thing I take away from this video is not whether there are free energy sources or not but that it is too big of a change, too big of a challenge that no one wants to jump in to. As he says it is "a can that keeps getting kicked down the road" and has been for a hundred years. But we can't keep doing this any longer if we want a sustainable planet to live on.
And your spiel about being a cry baby that wants it all is hilarious. If man didn't want better we'd still be living in caves and heating with fires started by rubbing sticks together. It is not a bad thing to want better for your self and your future generations. We NEED better than what we have now for energy sources which are damaging the planet.
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Thanks tinman for stating what we are all seeing in regards to freedom. I agree and understand that side of 'freedom' quite well also. I also understand what MH is saying but it seems his purpose in talking about freedom is to get us to turn a blind eye to the situation at hand. Nice try MH :P
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E2matrix:
I was simply playing Devil's Advocate about the "slavery" term. I am not here to fight with you or anybody, just posting to make you and others think more than 1/10th of a level deep. It's hysterical rhetoric. Almost everyone has a cell phone now, so are we all slaves of the telco cartels also? You absolutely LOVE the energy you purchase with your money, you love it, and so does everyone. That is not some kind of non-consentual slavery by any means. Nobody is forcing you to purchase electricity if you don't want to purchase it.
The rhetoric you parrot is the same rhetoric that No Hope Girl uses to manipulate gullible people and get money from them.
Sure, there is always a legitimate debate about the costs of various forms of energy, but we aren't talking about that. It's the notion that the people that sell you electricity and gasoline are the "evil bad guys." In the overall scheme of things you want to buy the electricity and the gasoline. It's just like saying "Walmart is evil." Walmart is a success because they give the people what they want. You can use the same arguments about "evil Coca-Cola" and on and on and on. Rabid greenies and rabid lefties sometimes can't seem to cope with the idea that not everybody thinks like they think. It's really comical sometimes.
You LOVE energy and you buy it from people that are more than happy to sell it to you. If you want to call them "evil" for helping you maintain your quality of life and sanitary living conditions and countless other things that are important for your well being, so be it. That's the point I am making.
Nightlife and Tinman:
I am not discussing political freedoms, it's not on the table.
Your access to energy and financing gives you more freedom than people could ever imagine a few generations ago. That's what I am talking about. You can drive by a vacant industrial lot, have a good idea, go to a bank, get the power company to run power lines into your new factory, and before you know it in a few years you are employing 500 people and enriching their lives and your life - thanks to the banks and the power company, you could not possibly do it without them. The banks and the power company and your drive and ambition give you unimaginable freedoms that at one time were very difficult things to do.
So I am just putting things into some sort of context to jog the rusty wheels in some people's heads. Being a programmed drone that says "energy companies are evil" is just as bad as being any other kind of programmed parroting drone. There are always two sides or more to a story.
Anyway the thread can get back to Bill Alek. I looked at some of his clips and he is just talking nonsensical junk like his little setup produces nuclear fusion. That's simply completely and utterly nuts and he is only saying it to "play" his audience. My sense is that he doesn't even believe it himself, it's all just a charade to plug himself into the "believer community." It's pure crap and nothing will come of his nonsense.
MileHigh
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Chet:
And indeed sometimes it doesn't hurt to challenge people that are making extraordinary claims. I gave you a solid technical posting telling you that Bill should already have his test protocol and reams and reams of test data.
Yet no peep from you? Being a "nice guy" is not always the best course of action. If Bill is not legit then it means he is just a criminal like John Rohner trying to suck the financial life out of gullible people. You can't seem to cope with that notion.
And what's perhaps more comical is that you and Bill are probably reading this posting within an hour of each other.
Why doesn't Bill step up to the plate and proactively offer his test protocol and test data? I can give you a good reason why he doesn't. It because he is wise enough to know that you can't bluff your way through a discussion about electronics when experienced people are listening and you know that you barely know what you are talking about. I have stated many times that usually within five to ten sentences you can tell somebody is an electronics poseur that barely has a clue. So if a full test protocol was posted by Bill he would quickly be found out. John Rohner is the classic example of a fake poseur "engineer" that was clueless.
Sorry for all the negativity, but it comes from a rational analysis of the situation. If somebody in this game ever looked legit and seemed to present valid data and had credibility I would gladly say so.
MileHigh
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from post # 88
For additional Clarity PLEASE no condescending advice or Alternative suggestions ..just a test protocol that you three would be happy with.
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not playing ping pong with you MH ,
Tinsel has agreed to help with a protocol once I get the Specs for the transformer.
{next couple days]
thx
Chet
ps
Not sure why this writing in Bold ?
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Quote MH: I am not discussing political freedoms, it's not on the table.
Understood MH ;)
Like i said before-im happy to fork out the cash on this one,as i see it to be the only way to get to the bottom of the claim's. So Chet,am i able to purchase one of these OU devices?. My guess is a big NO,as per normal-just like those OU fan's i tried to buy.
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the only way to get to the bottom of the claim's ?
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Actually I think you should wait for the Test we are doing .
thx
Chet
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the only way to get to the bottom of the claim's ?
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Actually I think you should wait for the Teat we are doing .
thx
Chet
I don't think that particular Teat is going to be very nourishing.
;D
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Ahh come on you guys are just playing dirty now :P
Get through this paper by Bill and then show where he's wrong and tell me he is laughable stupid - 122 pages in the attached PDF below.
And these two pictures are what he had 12 years ago (and one 11 years ago). Just think where it's at now.
It's inept measurements with transformers Chet.
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Another one of his 'Old' builds of the SmartPak below. Would you go full on PCB with a build like this if it didn't test out showing a COP > 1 ?
Chet there are all kinds of people from the self-deluded to outright crooks who have built expensive props that they claimed were OU but were not. This contraption from Bill Alek is no different. Transformers are not free energy machines.
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The results On the Savic device were posted years ago by Dr.Jones.
If you called Bill and acted like a gentlemen [any of you] he would probably offer you the same access he offered Me.
much easier to do it your way tho....
If I grabbed every nasty comment you have made about Bill and posted them side by side with your alleged help ful Post??
at least ten to one against Mr Helpy helperton........
Please don't feel the need to be so helpful!!
you are completely disingenuous and doing nothing more than trying to highlight your abilities
I have no more time to waste with anonymous nasty 'experts"
Thx
Chet
Chet are you talking about Steven Jones ex of BYU and his supposed 8X but proven < 1.0X Joule Thief variant?
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No problem at all but do I really have to explain it? I consider any law (but are they really laws or all just theories?) that doesn't fit all circumstances it tries to describe as 'flawed' if even one situation does not fit in it's explicit description. You could say I consider it seriously flawed because I don't think people expounding theories as laws should be doing so until they have been proven right for all situations. So standard EM theory and laws work for a lot of common situations but IMO does not work for everything and that is why I believe we are stuck with no free energy devices readily available at this time. But what I am pointing a finger at more so than standard EM theory (even though I believe it's all related) is gravity and magnetism. Show me a physicist that really knows WHY gravity exists or why magnetism exists. One who can come up with a bit more than the current ridiculous explanations. I think they have meticulously hidden or suppressed the few details that can free humanity.
I didn't say I know what you have been doing the last 15 years or so but I know Bill has spent a lot of time on this project in that time frame. What I did say is that he has not been seen spending a lot of time on forums diving into all sorts of different projects to expound how much greater his knowledge is than everyone else. However it is obvious you have spent a lot of time in the last few years doing just that. I'm not saying it is wrong that you do this although more than one person seems to think it's an 'ego' thing that you are doing much of the time. I don't really care other than I think it may at times stifle freedom of exploration and thought when someone is always saying or implying 'it's impossible'.
What bothers me a bit though is when someone like Bill has spent a great amount of time to build something and fine tune it and says that he finally has something that can provide free energy and people trash him without having even seen what he has. Sure go ahead and point out what everyone should know and has always been a very basic concept instilled in people from the day they got their first dollar to spend: Buyer Beware. Due your due diligence.
But so far people are going way beyond that when they haven't even seen any test results whatsoever of this device. Can we all exercise a little restraint from the bashing?
You are right that I have not read Jefimenko's book but I can assure you that if I chose to do so and if I had the desire to dig into it I could most definitely understand it. I'm not going to get into the reasons why I know this because it would put me in an uncomfortable place and I refuse to go there.
Also in regards to the QEG, FTW and Hopegirl yes I have followed some of it despite having been on vacation for a while. Yes I know they are struggling but we see differently on that too. I think they have good intentions and those are not just about making money for their selves. Whether they succeed or not with the QEG I think they have been a huge success in another way. When the QEG started going viral on the Internet it brought 'HOPE' to a lot of people and even more important IMO it brought awareness of potential alternate energy sources, awareness of suppression of alternate energy and awareness that there may still be ways to save this planet, clean up the polluting energy sources and free man from the slavery created by the world energy and banking cartels.
Chet you are committing the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance.
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Mark
Why are you quoting E2matrix and addressing me ?
Odd very odd indeed.
Chet
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Mark
Why are you quoting E2matrix and addressing me ?
Odd very odd indeed.
Chet
I thought he signed his name Chet someplace. Sorry for any confusion I had.
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Chet you are committing the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance.
LOL ! You just showed from your statement your ignorance or how you are easily confused. I've never signed off with 'Chet' or any real name at all. ramset either has 'Chet' in his sig or nearly always signs with his name. I also find your continual references to logic somewhat amusing. I'm guessing you have never done a full study in logic. I have. Not that I always stick to logic as I have way too much fun poking some people with illogic disguised as humor or vice versa.
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Logic?
"Just think where he's at now".
Twelve years ago he had an overunity transformer, as well as antigravity. Now... he is still buying electricity from the local grid and tramping around to third rate tradeshows with a poster display and some mockups of electrical gadgets.
Lo, how the mighty have fallen.
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LOL ! You just showed from your statement your ignorance or how you are easily confused. I've never signed off with 'Chet' or any real name at all. ramset either has 'Chet' in his sig or nearly always signs with his name. I also find your continual references to logic somewhat amusing. I'm guessing you have never done a full study in logic. I have. Not that I always stick to logic as I have way too much fun poking some people with illogic disguised as humor or vice versa.
e2 arguing that because what we know is not all encompassing that a hair brained claim that has no tangible evidence is true is silly.trying to disarm arguments on logic and physics based on name recognition is a nonsensical effort at distraction.
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Almost August 2014!!
http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html
Lets all group together and crowd fund ramset the The Jetson Self-Charging Electric Scooter (SSES). Which by the way still is listed with the incorrect acronym SSES instead of SCES. This is what ramset wanted all along, the reason for the thread.
You did not have to beat around the bush. Just ask next time.
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@ACG:
It's noble of you to start "crowd-funding" a purchase for @ramset but what about the offer by @tinman ?? Maybe I read too much into his response . . . It looks to me like he was offering to buy one PROVIDING that it was available for delivery:
http://www.overunity.com/14327/auroratek-self-sustainable-technologies-overunity-to-market-in-arizona-usa/msg408916/#msg408916
truesearch
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Imagine NEVER attaching a battery charger to recharge your electric scooter again!
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Imagine NEVER attaching a battery charger to recharge your electric scooter again!
Yes, all you have to do is fill it with gas every 100 miles and it will run ..."forever". I had one of those 15 years ago and I never had to charge the batteries.
Bill
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E2Matrix, I began reading the PDF you linked and I didn't get far before I seen what I would say is a problem with the spheres about
their mass and volume.
I think that if we take two identical spheres and move one to the moon then the actual result would be in my opinion that the sphere on the moon being subjected to less gravity would be larger volume but the mass would remain the same on a Universal level. If we weighed the moon before the sphere was placed there and then weighed it again with the sphere on it
in the one frame of reference then we would see the weight of the moon and the sphere is equal to the sum of the two.
It's a theoretical black hole !
Just like a balloon when raised into a lower pressure will gain volume but the mass remains the same, it is the same sphere (balloon)
it just looks a bit different due to being expanded.
In different levels of gravity an objects observed weight will vary, but the object is still the same thing and has the same mass on
a Universal scale, it will weigh what it weighs depending on the gravity it is in.
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The closest thing I can see in the PDF to a experiment to confirm any extra energy is the diagrams on pages 106, 107, 108, 110.
Which are simply regular charge discharge circuits and no one has shown any excess energy from them as yet.
Then on page 112 there is the obligatory mish mash of Tesla device drawings joined to make a fantasy device, as well as a block of
bogus text. In order to generate the needed hype he even makes the ridiculous claim that Tesla called the effects "Radiant Energy".
I think the guy is off with the fairies. As are many theoretical physicists.
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New update from peswiki.com
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:07:16#AuroraTek_claims_200.25_efficiency
"I have a power transformer that is output watts" - Really. whodathunkit.
"runs a few degrees BELOW ambient room temperature." - Most metal objects do especially in a cooled room. But for how long a run of transformer?
Why not state the phase angle? exceeds 90 can mean anything. Could be 45 degrees or 135.
"No other electrical device I know of is capable of doing this. " - Yes, the obligatory only I or we have the solution.
I don't understand the rational for Peswiki to do a drive-by article post. No real data. Vague statements. Just swing around the corner and drop a few pop pop statements then skid off. Hold on, seems its being updated live as I type. Nice going Sterling. Ever heard of sand boxing?
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Bill Alek is quickly building himself into a corner of no exit. He's going to face a FTW type problem of explaining his dead certain claims to over unity when he fails to deliver.
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New update from peswiki.com
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:07:16#AuroraTek_claims_200.25_efficiency
"I have a power transformer that is output watts" - Really. whodathunkit.
"runs a few degrees BELOW ambient room temperature." - Most metal objects do especially in a cooled room. But for how long a run of transformer?
Why not state the phase angle? exceeds 90 can mean anything. Could be 45 degrees or 135.
"No other electrical device I know of is capable of doing this. " - Yes, the obligatory only I or we have the solution.
I don't understand the rational for Peswiki to do a drive-by article post. No real data. Vague statements. Just swing around the corner and drop a few pop pop statements then skid off. Hold on, seems its being updated live as I type. Nice going Sterling. Ever heard of sand boxing?
I agree with you AGC, I get nervous when people make open ended statements with no validation. Especially since
this seems to be going around in other topics. With instrumentation on the other end of a limited bandwidth
channel it possible to make that instrumentation read anything you want if you can synthesize a higher bandwidth
signal and feed it into the channel. It's called aliasing. So you have got to prove you have the appropriate
*power-bandwidth* behind ones readings once in a while to validate them. I think it's possible for negative
personalities to get "good" at doing this and to sway you over into ineffective thinking and methodologies.
Instrumentation has to assume non-intelligent adversaries because intelligent ones can fool it. For example
battery charging stated concurrently with scope readings would be a good proof in this case.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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Chet:
Aren't you supposed to be posting Bill's performance data about now so TK and others can develop a test protocol? You said "in a few days" a few days ago.
MileHigh
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"The transformer efficiency is not only infinite, but becomes NEGATIVE."
What can I say to that? Obviously conventional test equipment cannot properly measure a device with INFINITE NEGATIVE efficiency. Even Spinal Tap only goes up to Eleven.
I'll just have to offer, once again, the TKTransverter. It is a Black Box, absolutely guaranteed. If you have any electrical device that has electrical input and electrical output, in any form, with a true COP that exceeds 1.3, my TKTransverter will enable self looping. That is right folks, even if your input is 180 VDC and your output is 20 kV at 400 Hz, my TKTransverter will convert and condition the output power to match the input requirements. All that is needed is a genuine OU output from your device of 130 percent the input. Is your output 8 volts DC and your input 240 VAC 50 Hz? No problem. Remember, friends.... the TKTransverter is _absolutely guaranteed_ to work with any genuine electrical OU system. If it cannot make your electrical ou system fully independently self-looped, you can return it for a full refund, under the same conditions as Aurora or Magnacoaster. BUT... if it doesn't work because you don't really have OU .. no refund will be given.
Interested inventors who are having difficulty self-looping their clearly OU devices can PM me here and arrange for purchase and instructional support. Remember, all you would-be Teslas... the TKTransverter is Fully Guaranteed !!
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What one can say is that for a fleeting moment Bill Alek seemed to understand that all OU is by definition infinitely efficient, and in the next a bit confused.
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Very telling update: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:07:16#AuroraTek_claims_200.25_efficiency
Look under July 18. Paraphrasing, invest !!!now!!! to buy your seat at the top of the pyramid.
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LOL! Let's see, he claims to have Fire 2.0 and his first thought is to try and tap the ever destitute Sterling Allan for funds. A convincing proof of concept would draw tens of millions from legitimate sources within days.
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Trollen trollen
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Trollen trollen
So now not only are you trolling, but you are stalking as well, following MarkE across threads to insult him with off-topic personal attacks. Very clever of you Dave45.
Those who can, teach. Those who can neither do nor teach... attack their betters with insults and irrelevancies.
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@ACG:
It's noble of you to start "crowd-funding" a purchase for @ramset but what about the offer by @tinman ?? Maybe I read too much into his response . . . It looks to me like he was offering to buy one PROVIDING that it was available for delivery:
http://www.overunity.com/14327/auroratek-self-sustainable-technologies-overunity-to-market-in-arizona-usa/msg408916/#msg408916
truesearch
Indeed i was(and still am). But im guessing this will end up like that you bueat fan motor-and my offer will just fade off into the darkness of time.
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So now not only are you trolling, but you are stalking as well, following MarkE across threads to insult him with off-topic personal attacks. Very clever of you Dave45.
Those who can, teach. Those who can neither do nor teach... attack their betters with insults and irrelevancies.
Well hello TinselTroll, ok where's MHtroll gather up boys your too obvious
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MH is still busy trying to source out another illuminati troll EE that can give him some words so he can counter point with TA again.
Regards...
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Bill Alek is his own best detractor. Time will come and go and Bill will be unable to show net energy from his device despite his present 200% claims.
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I think the problem is you guy's do have knowledge to teach but you dont, you go from thread to thread trashing everything and everyone and in the forums we call that a troll.
My betters roflmao,,,,,,,,,,,
hardly
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I learned to simply ignore those like you know who her hint hint. Its like an electric chair to them when you ignore them.
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Chet has refused to answer my question. I can only guess that Bill Alek has bowed out. The script executes as expected.
Meanwhile, sometimes free energy waif boys need to relieve their tension. *rim shot*
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The cash is burning a hole in my pocket. $2500.00 in the toy box, ready to go on purchase and shipping. Offer only for another week chet,then im off to buy a new drill mill/lathe combo-but i'd rather have one of these OU toy's.
Tick Tick Tick.
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The auroratek.us website presently claims that they will be delivering scooters next month, and power supplies in September. Given regulatory requirements, in order to meet those dates, he would have to have working units out for compliance test now.
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"Nice Guy Meets a Criminal," the Chet and Bill story.
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MH, his copyright infringement issues aside, I think that when it comes to free energy, I think Bill Alek is massively self-deluded. If you can stomach it: find and listen to some of his interviews such as with Mark Goldes. In the Mark Goldes case, Bill Alek jumped right in there insisting that he has personally performed experiments that offered magical results of the kind that Mark Goldes claimed.
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The output screen of some Auroratek computer firmware associated with helping their users fully understand
their devices fake results. Lol.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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The output screen of some Auroratek computer firmware associated with helping their users fully understand
their devices fake results. Lol.
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Why does he only report 50% gain with zero indicated power in and out? He may also need to add more digits to his serial numbers. He might only be able to count the number of sand grains in one ocean with the present number of digits.
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Why does he only report 50% gain with zero indicated power in and out? He may also need to add more digits to his serial numbers. He might only be able to count the number of sand grains in one ocean with the present number of digits.
I'm not sure Mark and can only guess. I notice the PID Off switch, this might be PID loop gain. He must be trying to avoid battery excess drain algorithically while trying to avoid working his transformer circuitry too hard I supose.
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You got one thing right for sure ... he's trying to avoid working.
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I'm not sure Mark and can only guess. I notice the PID Off switch, this might be PID loop gain. He must be trying to avoid battery excess drain algorithically while trying to avoid working his transformer circuitry too hard I supose.
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There are no PID parameters that Bill could ever come up with that will coax free energy out of the environment and into his machine.
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There are no PID parameters that Bill could ever come up with that will coax free energy out of the environment and into his machine.
But, this device can coax free money out of the masses and into his bank account.
Bill
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Nothing?
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Well im guessing i wont be getting my free energy scooter any time soon???
Oh well,at least i have my free energy solar pannels.
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OK, I give up. I don't remember Bill Alek ever actually presenting a fraudulent actual device like Yildiz does, he has always been more in the category of making claims without evidence and projecting into the future, like Goldes and others of that ilk. So that's what I expect you'll see at the trade show: a poster presentation, maybe but probably not an actual scooter, and definitely no actual battery self-charger demonstration or a scooter that recharges itself, driving around the parking lot for three days, giving kiddies rides. (Does it have a horn thingie they can toot-toot-toot?)
Well, it's Saturday August 2, right smack dab in the middle of the show. Is there anything at all to report concerning Bill Alek and the Magic Scooter?
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A video presentation from AuroraTek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXno_7xXSZs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXno_7xXSZs).
Striking similarity in the concept to T.Heins Bi-Toroid transformer!
The load from the secondaries consumes real power while the primary is reactive.
There must be something to it.
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A video presentation from AuroraTek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXno_7xXSZs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXno_7xXSZs).
Striking similarity in the concept to T.Heins Bi-Toroid transformer!
The load from the secondaries consumes real power while the primary is reactive.
There must be something to it.
D'ya think?
Maybe these videos will help you to understand what is going on.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf
I will tell you this yet again. Are you paying attention, STERLING? If you have any device with electrical inputs and outputs that truly has a COP of over 1.3 to 1, I CAN MAKE IT SELF LOOP.
I am shouting because nobody seems to be hearing me. If your electrical device makes just 130 percent of its input energy, I know how to take that output, in whatever electrical form it is, condition it and turn it into the required input, in whatever electrical form it is. My process is less than 100 percent efficient, this is why you need at least 1.3 times OU, to make up for the losses in my process.
I absolutely guarantee this, too. If I can't do it.... it means that your candidate is not really OU by even that much, at all.
Show me a process that is 20 to one OU, and I'll do it with one hand tied behind my back.
And this is not some secret that only I know. Any competent EE with power supply design experience can do the same thing.
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I call shotgun on the Auroratek bike ride.