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Title: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Feynman on February 19, 2014, 03:05:40 AM
Over the weekend, I accidentally shorted out a sound amplifier and experienced an arc flash about 5" from my eyes.

This got me thinking -- check this out:

"An arc flash is the light and heat produced from an electric arc supplied with sufficient electrical energy to cause substantial damage, harm, fire, or injury. Electrical arcs experience negative resistance, which causes the electrical resistance to decrease as the arc temperature increases. Therefore, as the arc develops and gets hotter the resistance drops, drawing more and more current (runaway) until some part of the system melts, trips, or evaporates, providing enough distance to break the circuit and extinguish the arc."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_flash

An arc flash can easily have as much energy as 1lb of TNT  and have temperatures far hotter than the Sun.

What does an "arc flash" have to do with the "spark gap" we see in Tesla devices?  Could it be the the phenomenon of electrical discharge through gas (aka possibly plasma), in particular discharge through nitrogen, oxygen, or the noble gases, have something to do with free energy?

That is, why is it as more current flows through the air that it behaves as a 'negative resistor'?  Could it be because somehow plasma and free energy are linked through phenomenon of 'negative resistors'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_resistance

"Negative resistance is a property of some electric circuits where an increase in the current entering a port results in a decreased voltage across the same port. This is in contrast to a simple ohmic resistor, which exhibits an increase in voltage under the same conditions. Negative resistors are theoretical and do not exist as a discrete component. However, some types of diodes (e.g., tunnel diodes) can be built that exhibit negative resistance in some part of their operating range. Such a differential negative resistance is illustrated in Figure 1 with a resonant-tunneling diode. Electric discharges through gases exhibit negative resistance, and some chalcogenide glasses,[1] organic semiconductors, and conductive polymers exhibit a similar region of negative resistance as a bulk property."

Just some thoughts.

-Feynman
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: thx1138 on February 19, 2014, 04:05:19 AM
A spark gap is more like a semiconductor than a negative resistor. A semiconductor is defined as a material that is an insulator under one set of conditions and a conductor under another set of conditions. At a high enough voltage the air or gas in the spark gap that is normally an insulator breaks down and begins conducting. It was the transistor of Tesla's day.
The resistance goes down because the gas is basically exploded out of the gap so the medium is thinner. The same as electricity conducts better in thinner gases like in a vacuum tube. That doesn't mean it goes negative. It just goes down. And the resistance doesn't rise with the heat because there is nothing there to heat.

The space between the elctrodes determines how much voltage is required to jump the gap, i.e. the thicker the insulator, the higher the required voltage. As long as the voltage is maintained you have an arc, not a spark. That's how arc lights and arc welders work.

Note that the tunneling diode is a differential negative resistor meaning it is not truly a negative resistance but is negative in relation to what one would expect it to be - differential.
Plasmas are truly interesting stuff - the fourth form of matter. It is neither solid, liquid, nor gas but has properties of all the other three. One interesting phenomena is that sufficiently intense sparks cause what is know as "electron cascade" where electrons are freed from the medium between the electrodes.

Note also that this is basically lightning but on a realtively tiny scale.

I spent some time around a camp fire with a nuclear engineer last December and we got into plasmas a little. His basic take was, "Plasmas are really hard to grasp." He was speaking intellectually! Don't try to grab one :o
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: thx1138 on February 19, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
Above should be "electron avalanche" rather than "electron cascade".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_avalanche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_avalanche)
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: e2matrix on February 19, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
I've come across a lot of references to the concept that an arc or spark gap is needed to generate excess energy.   A lot of devices claiming free energy use this and I suspect even some motors with brushes may get some extra from this concept.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: forest on February 19, 2014, 08:34:54 PM
Not really, they take electrons , not energy.I know because Tesla said , it's a wrong way to consider arc as energy source. Read carefully his interview.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: thx1138 on February 19, 2014, 11:17:20 PM
Spark gaps will enable you to do some interesting things but I've never heard that they produce any excess energy. They will enable you to switch kilo and mega volts which is all but impossible using any other low cost methods. You can also get some interesting effects with quenched spark gaps which gives the pulse a very fast fall time. Another of the things you can do is uni-directional impulses. Unlike diodes they can be run without any reverse leakage. I think Tesla managed to get from 95% to 98% efficiencies out of some of his devices using spark gaps which was phenonomal for his day and in many cases is still phenonomal today.
 
But they have their down sides also. The electrodes constantly get burned away so they need constant attention to keep them tuned although Tesla overcame large parts of this problem. And they require very high voltages to work so they are dangerous. You are literally taking your life in your hands when you are dealing with high voltage spark gaps. A moment's inattention can kill you.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 20, 2014, 01:26:19 AM
Just made some tests, after reading about "charge pump" and radiant energy receiver. It was said, the secret lies within the spark, that would "suck" additional current out of the ground.


Anyway, I had a 1500vdc Moskito killer circuit, that made nice little sparks from 10 to 100hz, stepped up to maybe 5000 vac, connected as seen on tesla patent drawings, added an additional stepdown transformer with a rectifier, resulting in maybe 10 vdc max, at a few milliamps. No surprise the efficiency was bad, after such a lot of transformers. Anyway, the point is, it delivered slightly more current when I disconnected teslas receiver and ground connection. Maybe I did it wrong.


BTW. somebody said, there ain't no back emf losses with spark gaps. I guess that ain't true because: the back emf has usually a higher voltage than the forward current, so it will most likely jump back, when thrown from a collapsing field. Second: forward sparks are blue, back emf spark is yellow, actually red, but appears to be yellow like kelvin2700 bulbs... when both takes place, then the spark color will be purple! so you can easily see what's going on.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: pix on February 20, 2014, 01:42:46 AM
Consider an arc as " electron multiplying device", electron avalanche, energy multiplicator.
It is like chain reaction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townsend_discharge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_runaway_electron_avalanche

Look also for papers by  Loeb and Meck.
Take for example small capacitor charged to high potential and then allowed to discharge throug air gap.
[size=78%]Small number of electrons, accelerated by electric field through air gap liberate so many electrons, that at the end of discharge current reaches region of kAmps.[/size]
Those electrons wasn't originally sitting inside that condenser. They has been "dragged" from the outside enviroment.
Pass them through inductive element .
Spark discharges are very interesting....


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 20, 2014, 05:06:19 AM
@ feynman

Tesla had made a device that worked on spark gap to generate excess energy by ionising the air. He never patented it. Here is one setup of the same described by PJ Kelly :

Chapter 11, first device.

http://frienergi.alternativkanalen.com/Chapt11.html

I have not come across any experiment so far, on the internet, which demonstrates such a concept, but who knows.

If you have the right equipment, its worth a try.

Best
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 20, 2014, 01:43:11 PM
Pix. sounds good, but also more like a theory. Anx simple test setup plans? I got caps, sparks...


Tho, I have noticed my digi voltmeter in amp mode completely freaked out sporadicly when I was messing around with the probe pins, showing >2amps (or whatever above the 2 amp range), probably caused by accidently shortening the circuit before the transformer, but I couldn't reproduce it in a controlled way.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: thx1138 on February 20, 2014, 04:29:39 PM
@ feynman

Tesla had made a device that worked on spark gap to generate excess energy by ionising the air. He never patented it. Here is one setup of the same described by PJ Kelly :

Chapter 11, first device.

http://frienergi.alternativkanalen.com/Chapt11.html (http://frienergi.alternativkanalen.com/Chapt11.html)

I have not come across any experiment so far, on the internet, which demonstrates such a concept, but who knows.

If you have the right equipment, its worth a try.

Best
Like the second device following it in PJK Chapter 11, the 1st device would have to use a spark that was strong enough to generate ionizing radiation. That, I think, is what Tesla was feeling in his experiments with the exploding wire that caused the stinging sensation and would penetrate everything in the room and charge capacitors on a workbench on the other side of the room. I don't remember the exact dates of those experiments but I'm pretty sure it was before he developed his X-ray tubes and, generally, was before ionizing radiation was known to exist.
 
Tesla came to believe that cosmic rays were what made radioactive materials radio active and that if the materials could be shield from the cosmic rays, which they can't, they would no longer be radioactive.
 
So be aware that what you are talking about is radiation and take appropriate measures to ensure your safety.
 
 
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 20, 2014, 04:40:14 PM
Hi

In that case every spark gap in ordinary tesla coils also produce dangerous alpha beta gamma radiations. Has anyone put a gieger counter near a strong spark gap / arc flash ? Just curious.

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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: thx1138 on February 20, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
Hi

In that case every spark gap in ordinary tesla coils also produce dangerous alpha beta gamma radiations. Has anyone put a gieger counter near a strong spark gap / arc flash ? Just curious.

Best
No, not at all because they shouldn't be strong enough to generate ionizing radiation. But to produce anything that would capture energy like shown in the PJK Chapter 11 that is what you would have to do. Keep in mind that Tesla spoke in his later years of developing a system that could develop unlimited voltages, i.e. 50 to 100 million volts and over.
 
I doubt that the sparks in Tesla coil spark gaps would even generate alpha, much less beta or gamma, radiation. Of course it never hurts to check.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 21, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
As far as my information goes, you need 15kV or more to get such rays. After reading about the townsend avalanche phenomen, I guess in the right gas and pressure, you can get it with relative low voltage. But in early experiments, rays were used to cause the ionisation, like a röntgen cannon. I don't think that's neccessary.


The experiment was like: two opposing plates (a cap!) build a gas tank in which the action takes place. Regardless how the ionisation was actually caused, it was reported that there were extremly high currents during chanches of the plate distance (variable cap, with breaktrough feature), and that in a gas underpressure situation a lower voltage was required.


Based on that I had the following idea: Two plates, airtight sealed with rubberstripes along the edges, airgap between them like 1mm or so. Now, as the supply delivers voltage, it's cap has to recharge after every spark, resulting in a spark pulse, eg. 30hz. Imagine there are electromagnets on both sides of the doubleplate, the current flows trough them, maybe only partially, result: the distance between the plates vibrates with the pulsrate, causing the capacitance change as well as the underpressure that is needed.


I have to try that asap. Need two good plates, sparks are about 2000 deg. C. and will melt Aluminum easily.

Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: pix on February 21, 2014, 03:51:50 AM
@Dieter
Some interesting to read attached.By logic, at the end of process you have more electrons that you start with at the cost of electric field ( potential difference).I'ts like chain reaction in open system. Does anybody read the current AFTER spark gap?
Additionally, you have "radiant event" from the electric discharge in the form of radiation-look for Edwin Gray conversion tube.


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 21, 2014, 03:53:44 AM
@dieter, please share the results.

@all,
I read somewhere that high frequency high voltage spark gap system producing cold electricity somehow uses positrons or negative mass anti electrons. By positrons I do not mean protons at all. This phenomenon, has been long ignored by the main stream science. And these positrons work mainly well in capacitive systems. Teslas stinging and pressure experience. Capacitors getting charged on their own lying in his lab away from the sparks. Kapanadze somehow unleashes these positrons to "glow" his light bulbs instead of "lighting" them. Neon bulbs give purple glow instead of orange. Correct me if I am wrong.

The key is to create a system that can unleash an avalanche of positrons. The other half of electrical science.

Wikipedia: Positrons may be generated by positron emission radioactive decay (through weak interactions), or by pair production from a sufficiently energetic photon.
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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 21, 2014, 04:44:53 PM
Thanks, interesting.


What I still don't get is what's the diffrence between a spark and an arc? In my definition it's the same, but the arc is caused by a source that can hold the voltage, where a sparkgap usually oscillates by flushing the cap of the sources stepup transformer. The oscillation also brings the back emf spike into play  resulting in a rather aggressive ac current at low cost, if some HV diodes block the bemf. (I got 5 normal si diodes in series, works so far, where I killed some single ones before cause even tho the fwd voltage was <1kV, the bemf was spikey).


Interesting: This new hv ac, caused by the gap, will then be transformed up by a reversely driven dc supply coilset with removed core, so it has an air core. I guess the output is about 6 kV AC. I was surprised how much energy was still left at this output: one time the contact slipped off accidently by about 2.5mm, a very vital spark immediately closed this gap, without even to reduce the spark rate of the primary sparkgap. Probably even here we see a small gain in current. I think it's a phenomen by it's own that these sparks don't seem to consume energy, or not much.


The whole system btw. runs by the two 1.5V batteries of the moskito killer. And they don't seem to get used up so far...


For now I will not use high power for reasons of savety. I got a microwave oven supply, but I have respect. Maybe later. Right now I don't see why the whole thing can't be done on a small scale. Ionisation is what it is, there is no critical mass or minimum amount of energy I think.


Working on a first prototype of the pulsating variable capacitance/gas pressure breaktrough cap/sparkgap thingie...PVCGPBCSGT ...  8)
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 21, 2014, 05:33:09 PM
A spark gap is an oscillating mini arc flash system. Arc flashes contain massive burst of energy equilant to some pounds of TNT. They are a result of very high potential diff. They tend to vaporise the conductors, that is the amount of energy they create in the system. On a small scale and a tiny distance apart a spark gap is a mini arc flash, but controlled.

What you see in a neon bulb is an arc. An arc needs a very high voltage to create it, the initiation of the arc creates plasma in the air and plasma has much lower or negative resistance, so the voltage drops and then it requires a much lower voltage to sustain the arc.

Ever measured the peak voltage across a tiny spark gap while at the starting point and then later on,, like in your bug zapper system that you are playing with ?

Spark gap is a loss of energy ESSENTIALLY. Its a conversion of electrical energy to other forms. Can we create excess energy from a spark gap ?  No. Not at all. Can we create excess energy from an arc flash ? No, not at any cost.
They emit UV and on a large scale they tend to create high ionisation and emit dangerous radiation as well. It wont hurt to keep a gieger counter handy when playing with spark gaps systems on a bigger scale. Better cover them with lead shielding. :)

In arc flashes temperature risses above 20000 degree centigrades, which is more than that of Sun. Arc flashes are so strong that they vaporise the conductors at the arc points and turn them into gaseous state. Gaseous metals have volume in excess of 65000 times that of solid metals. They create intense shock waves.

Arc flashes can occour in simple incandecent lamps when the filament suddenly breaks, thanks to the built in fuses in the lamps the arc flash is prevented and the mains fuses are not blown.

Arc flashes cant be used to create energy, they rather consume massive electrical energy and convert it to intense heat, light, radiations and sound energy.

An electric welding set uses arc flash to melt the contact points.

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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 21, 2014, 06:25:30 PM
Yes, thanks, I sure know all that, although some of it, even commonly accepted, is yet contradicting and, regarding to some of the studies about electron avalanches in nature, probably wrong.


Now, sit down and take a deep breath... I just got 100Volt at 15A out of 2 freakin 1.5v Batteries...
Of course, it is most likely a measurement error. At least I am now capable of reproducing the strange behaviour of my amp meter I mentioned before. Probably you will now explain me that this is absolutely normal, but I was really a little frenetic...
Sparkgap 1 is about 0.3mm (after 5 diodes in series), from plus 1500 vdc bug zapper, causes ac,  that is stepped up trough a little 12 to 230 Aircore coilset (from an old supply, guess about 10 w, used reversely), secondary cirquit goes then trough 2nd gap, about 0.8mm. Gap 1 is blue, gap 2 purple. this 2nd gap is then shortened. So it swings back and forth, over gap 2. Amp meter (digital), is connected: black to gap 2 electrode, red to mains ground. Amp is chaoticly cycling between 5 amp , 19 amp and above (out of range).


Important: it happens only, when the gap 2 has a certain range! And it has to be purple aka fwd and bemf taking place. When the gap 2 is only like 0.3mm, then although there is a spark, the meter says zero amps.


This is really weird!


Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 21, 2014, 06:39:39 PM
@dieter can you pl post a video, showing this effect, digital meters lie a lot, specially with high voltage oscillating systems. 15 Amps at above 100 Volts ??  ;D ;D ;D

You can run a 1/2 hp motor with that easily.  ;) I guess measurement error.

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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 21, 2014, 07:37:19 PM
I am coming down to basics as they are important for free energy reseachers.

1. As the frequency increases capacitive impedence tends to fall and at vhf its almost zero.
2. As the frequency inceases inductive impedence tends to rise and at vhf its almost infinity.
3. A resistors impedence is independent of the changes in frequency.
4. In an RC circuit the impedence tends to fall and becomes constant after a particular frequency.
5. In RLC series circuit the impedence falls with increase in frequency but after a particular frequency it rises and goes to infinity.
6. At resonant frequency series impedance is a minimum, so the voltage for a given current is a minimum and the current for a given voltage is a maximum.

7. You are getting a big voltage in the circuit for only a small voltage input. You are not, of course, getting something for nothing. The energy stored in the large oscillations is gradually supplied by the AC source when you turn on, and it is then exchanged between capacitor and inductor in each cycle.

Lets discuss your circuit behaviour in these terms.

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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 21, 2014, 07:37:22 PM
What is freakin me out is that it's doing that too on the AC scale, tho more between 200 and 1900v. I have never seen my meter doing something like that. It's scary when you discuss electron avalanche and electron multiplication, and then right see that happen.


I'll try to upload a vid...


EDIT ok here's a little video, h264, ADDITIONAL NOTE, THIS SUCKER SEEMS TO KILL THE 9V BATTERY OF THE VOLTMETER IN NO TIME! Not really free energy :)


Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 21, 2014, 07:50:46 PM
Is your circuit well connected to gound earth ? Electron avalanche effect is Townsend effect and is a chain reaction. Are you able to see photoelectrons and UV ?

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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 21, 2014, 09:17:21 PM
Video is up, see last post. I don't know what it is, but it seems to be intensive and the batteries of the voltmeter don't like it at all.
Normally you're not getting anything on the 10 amp scale with only one pin connected. Maybe it's just the high voltage of the back emf, driving the meter crazy, jumping across the internl meters PCB, since that shouldn't be used for more than 1 kV dc. Anyway, was a funny Artefact, but as I initially said, most likely a measuring error.
Now let's see if the batteries are going to recover  :-\
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Google on February 21, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
Sorry unable to download the video  :(. Can you mail me at kaps163a(@)(gmail)(dot)(com)

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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on February 21, 2014, 09:53:12 PM
Tube?
http://youtu.be/9aQp1g0KhJQ

Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 29, 2015, 12:49:03 AM
Kind of strange that this thread ended like that. No comment on the vid.


Just for the records: this experiment destroyed the AC parts of the multimeter seen in the vid.


2 possible explanations for the behaviour are:


-breakdown inside the multimeter due to too high hv.


-breakdown in the mains grid, since I coupled the mass to mains ground, instead of to the bugzapper minus.


Anyway, I did some more research and I think the entire subject is more interesting than ever.


Tho, I may have been wrong about "no critical mass required": the electron multiplication (a scientificly established "anomaly") is a rather binary multiplication in which the gap length is critical in terms of number of multiplications, eg. 8 "bits" give 256 electrons, 32 bits give 4 billions...


About 15 kV should it be at least I guess.


Additionally, it is critical to trigger the breakdown with a voltage that is a 50 to 100% higher than the static dc breakdown voltage of a given gap.


And, folliwing teslas footsteps, I would also suggest to stop the arc before the source is bleeded out, and stop it very abrubtly.


Furthermore, according to Magratten the output should flow into an inductive load.


And it may also be useful to try to collect any radiation and hv / rf burst / runaway electrons using  steel or copper screening around the gap.


The gap needs to be ventilated, so neutral air can be ionized constantly.


Anybody still interested in this field?


BR



Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: Bob Smith on January 29, 2015, 02:41:00 AM
I don't have much to say, right now, but I do find it interesting and would like to follow, should discussion resume. 
Am I correct in understanding that you got these spark gaps firing from two 1.5V AA batteries?
Bob
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: pix on January 29, 2015, 07:56:00 AM
Hohoho  :)
Dieter, you got it for yourself.
As I said before, a spark is a very interesting thing.Not talking about oscillatory spark, but "unidirectional single event".
Load the capacitor with HV DC and discharge through gap.
Compare energy that you did put in charging capacitor, and energy generated in the discharge event. measure current AFTER the gap.
As "per se" it is a multiplying event. You start process with a few free electrons, and end up on the other side with lots of them. From where did they come? From outside environment.

It is an open system.
More electrons- more current, simple as that.Converting electrical potential into current.
Of course, there is also "radiant" event, as spark generates UV and all kinds of radiation and EM-field impulse also. You can capture that one as a bonus.
On OU forum lots of discussion and talks about exotic stuff, but everybody overlooks simple, tiny spark  :)


Cheers,
Pix

Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: MasterPlaster on January 29, 2015, 07:06:17 PM
For some related books try this link:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=conduction%20of%20electricity%20gases%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts (https://archive.org/search.php?query=conduction%20of%20electricity%20gases%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts)
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: kEhYo77 on January 29, 2015, 08:27:39 PM
Hi.


What about placing a spark gap inside a toroid coil e.i. current transformer?
I imagine an air core or a ferrite toroid but with an air gap (made with dremel plus a thin blade) step-down style transformer:
many thick two-turns (preferably Litz wire), wound side by side along all the core surface, connected in parallel to
full wave bridge and a HV cap.


If the avalanche effect is creating more dense current in the immediate vicinity of the arc then it is logical
that magnetic field around that air/aether piece of plasma containing, conducting path will be amplified as well.


I recently bough a small HV power source operated from 12VDC for making ionised/ozonated ICE intake air treatment
so I should be able to try it. The module is pretty unique (some guy makes them by hand, available only in Poland I guess),
it draws little current an has got a short circuit protection. It outputs HV AC : Purple looking arcs streaching up to 10mm 8)

EDIT: Here is somewhat relevant video from another thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3piSivMXsdQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3piSivMXsdQ)

Keep experimenting people! :)
SAFETY FIRST!  ;D


Pozdro
kEhYo
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 30, 2015, 01:48:11 AM
@Bob, yes, the bug zapper runs on 3 Volt, by batteries or a dc transformer.


If you have watched my short video, take a look at the diagram. The first gap is tiny, but even here we get some multiplication, but it would be dissipated in the environment and recombined with lurking ions without that inductive load: a 230 to 12 V stepdown transformer, the core is removed and it is hooked up reversely, so it steps the voltage up further: both, the pulse and the BEMF, which is already higher than the pulse.


Then the output of this stepup transformer goes to the second sparkgap. It is bigger and it's aligned parallel to the first one, but in opposite direction (who knows, maybe that has an impact too). But what I am doing now with this secondary avalanche is what's really weird: It is shortened right to the other end of the transformer, so whatever avalanche is kicked loose will be fed right into the same inductive circuit as a booster, with almost zero resistance. Nevertheless, the additional connection right after the sparkgap to the real ground had enough power to fry my multimeter. (don't use meters, instead guess voltage by arc length an check current with heavy loads like inductive heating elements)


If we see the shortened stepup transformer as an oscillator that is able to overshoot its own energetical potential by freely running / ringing, it becomes clear that the additional ground may act as a huge electron reservoir, for both, to dump the electrons and to provide them during a polarity reversal due to the BEMF.


There is a tube guy, I guess Igor (woloz?) , search Igor SGG, he made some cool tests with cascades of avalanches, like several flybacks in series, starting with 6 vdc, and finally achieveing 1 inch arcs, constant ones, not the frequent breakdown of a cap. There is clearly multiplication involved.


Current flow is about free electrons. A conductor contains a number of them, the unbound ones. An inductive generator chases them trough the coil, moves them, makes the current flow. Who cares where they come from.


In the electron avalanche high energy electrons collide with air. On collision there will be the old electron, a new electron and an ion. The air gets ionized, that ain't a secret. The ions get seperated by the electrons. But the ions are much bigger and therefor slower than the electrons. The electrons reach the anode earlier, where they can be "adsorbed", obviously by an inductive load.


As mentioned, the avalanche characteristics are a binary multiplication, so the longer the gap, the bigger the gain, eg.: 1mm = 200%, 2mm= 400%, 3mm=800%, 4mm=1600%... just as a sample of binary multiplication, but the rate is even higher due to additional factors like selfillumination by uv emission of the spark etc.


There are various ways to suppress, trigger and stop the arc, so the desired overvoltage situation (eg. kicking 16kV over 5mm gap) can be achieved, one is an air flow, just some cool air by a fan. An other is a magnetic quench. A static magnetic field suppresses the arc initiation in general, a pulsed one could be used as a trigger. A third method is a mechanical oscillation of the gap length, which may be most reliable at low rates.




This is the kind of energy gain, the grid engineers usually try to avoid and get rid of because it is capable of exploding huge transformers... and then the same people say there is no free energy... of course, they wanna sell it. So THEIR energy is never for free.


@kEhYo, interesting experiment, since some say the center of a toroid coil is where the longitudinal wave is emitted (if it exists).


Take care everybody, even when we play with tiny power sources for the devices, in case our approaches are a success, things get real dangerous.


BR










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Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 31, 2015, 03:36:05 AM
Actually, it's Igor Woroz, this guy has a lot of cool videos, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHZ_jtHE-r0


Here's some information about breakdowns, mainly from the perspective of somebody, trying to prevent damage due to the avalanche, nevertheless verifying the underlying theorem:
www.sayedsaad.com/High_voltge/insulating_gases/insulating_gases_5.htm


Note the part where they say the current may increase up to 10^7 Amperes per cm2 at a certain moment during breakdown, while the voltage drops only marginally.
Further information:


www.sayedsaad.com/High_voltge/insulating_gases/insulating_gases_4.htm


www.pureenergysystems.com/os/EdGrayMotor/PM_PEM_MG/theory/spark/mechanism_electrical.htm


I'd also like to say that Gary Magratten has a new patent for a motor that is avalanche driven (seen on pesn), that's pretty smart. Tho, Anode corrosion must be handled somehow, but a motor may offer various ways to frequently brush the Anode...


It seems a bit odd that Magratten says he's supported by the US DOE and the also sells the plans, but as the avalanche "anomaly" is definitely a real thing, I think this thing'got potential.


A further thought is : plasma in LENR. What happens in the air may very well happen in water as well, which could explain a range of phenomena associated with socalled cold fusion. Even tho such plasma does not arc fully to the anode and recombination of electrons and ions in water may cause heat effects.


BR



Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 04:41:29 AM
Actually, it's Igor Woroz, this guy has a lot of cool videos, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHZ_jtHE-r0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHZ_jtHE-r0)


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BR

Actually it's Igor Moroz, isn't it?
Notice the power supply going crazy in the background when he's showing the little sparks.

Here's my version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU)
Of course I'm using a little more input voltage.

And another one, a Tesla coil using an ordinary flyback transformer as the primary power supply, running on 24 volts from batteries:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsChNrBn5I
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: pomodoro on January 31, 2015, 08:21:53 AM
When does a spark give rise to an avalanche of any significance? Is it not a short lived arc? The initial  streamer of a few uA perhaps, but the main discharge is thermionic or Field Emission only.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 31, 2015, 03:17:42 PM
Why do you ask when you think you know everything better?


For some reason I feel like you are on a personal crusade against me. If you are not interested in this topic, then just back off.
Title: Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
Post by: pomodoro on January 31, 2015, 04:35:58 PM
Take a chill pill dude, anyone can answer this.