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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2014, 03:53:44 AM »
@dieter, please share the results.

@all,
I read somewhere that high frequency high voltage spark gap system producing cold electricity somehow uses positrons or negative mass anti electrons. By positrons I do not mean protons at all. This phenomenon, has been long ignored by the main stream science. And these positrons work mainly well in capacitive systems. Teslas stinging and pressure experience. Capacitors getting charged on their own lying in his lab away from the sparks. Kapanadze somehow unleashes these positrons to "glow" his light bulbs instead of "lighting" them. Neon bulbs give purple glow instead of orange. Correct me if I am wrong.

The key is to create a system that can unleash an avalanche of positrons. The other half of electrical science.

Wikipedia: Positrons may be generated by positron emission radioactive decay (through weak interactions), or by pair production from a sufficiently energetic photon.
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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2014, 03:53:44 AM »

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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2014, 04:44:53 PM »
Thanks, interesting.


What I still don't get is what's the diffrence between a spark and an arc? In my definition it's the same, but the arc is caused by a source that can hold the voltage, where a sparkgap usually oscillates by flushing the cap of the sources stepup transformer. The oscillation also brings the back emf spike into play  resulting in a rather aggressive ac current at low cost, if some HV diodes block the bemf. (I got 5 normal si diodes in series, works so far, where I killed some single ones before cause even tho the fwd voltage was <1kV, the bemf was spikey).


Interesting: This new hv ac, caused by the gap, will then be transformed up by a reversely driven dc supply coilset with removed core, so it has an air core. I guess the output is about 6 kV AC. I was surprised how much energy was still left at this output: one time the contact slipped off accidently by about 2.5mm, a very vital spark immediately closed this gap, without even to reduce the spark rate of the primary sparkgap. Probably even here we see a small gain in current. I think it's a phenomen by it's own that these sparks don't seem to consume energy, or not much.


The whole system btw. runs by the two 1.5V batteries of the moskito killer. And they don't seem to get used up so far...


For now I will not use high power for reasons of savety. I got a microwave oven supply, but I have respect. Maybe later. Right now I don't see why the whole thing can't be done on a small scale. Ionisation is what it is, there is no critical mass or minimum amount of energy I think.


Working on a first prototype of the pulsating variable capacitance/gas pressure breaktrough cap/sparkgap thingie...PVCGPBCSGT ...  8)

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 05:33:09 PM »
A spark gap is an oscillating mini arc flash system. Arc flashes contain massive burst of energy equilant to some pounds of TNT. They are a result of very high potential diff. They tend to vaporise the conductors, that is the amount of energy they create in the system. On a small scale and a tiny distance apart a spark gap is a mini arc flash, but controlled.

What you see in a neon bulb is an arc. An arc needs a very high voltage to create it, the initiation of the arc creates plasma in the air and plasma has much lower or negative resistance, so the voltage drops and then it requires a much lower voltage to sustain the arc.

Ever measured the peak voltage across a tiny spark gap while at the starting point and then later on,, like in your bug zapper system that you are playing with ?

Spark gap is a loss of energy ESSENTIALLY. Its a conversion of electrical energy to other forms. Can we create excess energy from a spark gap ?  No. Not at all. Can we create excess energy from an arc flash ? No, not at any cost.
They emit UV and on a large scale they tend to create high ionisation and emit dangerous radiation as well. It wont hurt to keep a gieger counter handy when playing with spark gaps systems on a bigger scale. Better cover them with lead shielding. :)

In arc flashes temperature risses above 20000 degree centigrades, which is more than that of Sun. Arc flashes are so strong that they vaporise the conductors at the arc points and turn them into gaseous state. Gaseous metals have volume in excess of 65000 times that of solid metals. They create intense shock waves.

Arc flashes can occour in simple incandecent lamps when the filament suddenly breaks, thanks to the built in fuses in the lamps the arc flash is prevented and the mains fuses are not blown.

Arc flashes cant be used to create energy, they rather consume massive electrical energy and convert it to intense heat, light, radiations and sound energy.

An electric welding set uses arc flash to melt the contact points.

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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 05:33:09 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2014, 06:25:30 PM »
Yes, thanks, I sure know all that, although some of it, even commonly accepted, is yet contradicting and, regarding to some of the studies about electron avalanches in nature, probably wrong.


Now, sit down and take a deep breath... I just got 100Volt at 15A out of 2 freakin 1.5v Batteries...
Of course, it is most likely a measurement error. At least I am now capable of reproducing the strange behaviour of my amp meter I mentioned before. Probably you will now explain me that this is absolutely normal, but I was really a little frenetic...
Sparkgap 1 is about 0.3mm (after 5 diodes in series), from plus 1500 vdc bug zapper, causes ac,  that is stepped up trough a little 12 to 230 Aircore coilset (from an old supply, guess about 10 w, used reversely), secondary cirquit goes then trough 2nd gap, about 0.8mm. Gap 1 is blue, gap 2 purple. this 2nd gap is then shortened. So it swings back and forth, over gap 2. Amp meter (digital), is connected: black to gap 2 electrode, red to mains ground. Amp is chaoticly cycling between 5 amp , 19 amp and above (out of range).


Important: it happens only, when the gap 2 has a certain range! And it has to be purple aka fwd and bemf taking place. When the gap 2 is only like 0.3mm, then although there is a spark, the meter says zero amps.


This is really weird!



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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 06:39:39 PM »
@dieter can you pl post a video, showing this effect, digital meters lie a lot, specially with high voltage oscillating systems. 15 Amps at above 100 Volts ??  ;D ;D ;D

You can run a 1/2 hp motor with that easily.  ;) I guess measurement error.

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2014, 07:37:19 PM »
I am coming down to basics as they are important for free energy reseachers.

1. As the frequency increases capacitive impedence tends to fall and at vhf its almost zero.
2. As the frequency inceases inductive impedence tends to rise and at vhf its almost infinity.
3. A resistors impedence is independent of the changes in frequency.
4. In an RC circuit the impedence tends to fall and becomes constant after a particular frequency.
5. In RLC series circuit the impedence falls with increase in frequency but after a particular frequency it rises and goes to infinity.
6. At resonant frequency series impedance is a minimum, so the voltage for a given current is a minimum and the current for a given voltage is a maximum.

7. You are getting a big voltage in the circuit for only a small voltage input. You are not, of course, getting something for nothing. The energy stored in the large oscillations is gradually supplied by the AC source when you turn on, and it is then exchanged between capacitor and inductor in each cycle.

Lets discuss your circuit behaviour in these terms.

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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2014, 07:37:22 PM »
What is freakin me out is that it's doing that too on the AC scale, tho more between 200 and 1900v. I have never seen my meter doing something like that. It's scary when you discuss electron avalanche and electron multiplication, and then right see that happen.


I'll try to upload a vid...


EDIT ok here's a little video, h264, ADDITIONAL NOTE, THIS SUCKER SEEMS TO KILL THE 9V BATTERY OF THE VOLTMETER IN NO TIME! Not really free energy :)



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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2014, 07:50:46 PM »
Is your circuit well connected to gound earth ? Electron avalanche effect is Townsend effect and is a chain reaction. Are you able to see photoelectrons and UV ?

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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2014, 09:17:21 PM »
Video is up, see last post. I don't know what it is, but it seems to be intensive and the batteries of the voltmeter don't like it at all.
Normally you're not getting anything on the 10 amp scale with only one pin connected. Maybe it's just the high voltage of the back emf, driving the meter crazy, jumping across the internl meters PCB, since that shouldn't be used for more than 1 kV dc. Anyway, was a funny Artefact, but as I initially said, most likely a measuring error.
Now let's see if the batteries are going to recover  :-\

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2014, 09:24:06 PM »
Sorry unable to download the video  :(. Can you mail me at kaps163a(@)(gmail)(dot)(com)

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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2015, 12:49:03 AM »
Kind of strange that this thread ended like that. No comment on the vid.


Just for the records: this experiment destroyed the AC parts of the multimeter seen in the vid.


2 possible explanations for the behaviour are:


-breakdown inside the multimeter due to too high hv.


-breakdown in the mains grid, since I coupled the mass to mains ground, instead of to the bugzapper minus.


Anyway, I did some more research and I think the entire subject is more interesting than ever.


Tho, I may have been wrong about "no critical mass required": the electron multiplication (a scientificly established "anomaly") is a rather binary multiplication in which the gap length is critical in terms of number of multiplications, eg. 8 "bits" give 256 electrons, 32 bits give 4 billions...


About 15 kV should it be at least I guess.


Additionally, it is critical to trigger the breakdown with a voltage that is a 50 to 100% higher than the static dc breakdown voltage of a given gap.


And, folliwing teslas footsteps, I would also suggest to stop the arc before the source is bleeded out, and stop it very abrubtly.


Furthermore, according to Magratten the output should flow into an inductive load.


And it may also be useful to try to collect any radiation and hv / rf burst / runaway electrons using  steel or copper screening around the gap.


The gap needs to be ventilated, so neutral air can be ionized constantly.


Anybody still interested in this field?


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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2015, 02:41:00 AM »
I don't have much to say, right now, but I do find it interesting and would like to follow, should discussion resume. 
Am I correct in understanding that you got these spark gaps firing from two 1.5V AA batteries?
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2015, 07:56:00 AM »
Hohoho  :)
Dieter, you got it for yourself.
As I said before, a spark is a very interesting thing.Not talking about oscillatory spark, but "unidirectional single event".
Load the capacitor with HV DC and discharge through gap.
Compare energy that you did put in charging capacitor, and energy generated in the discharge event. measure current AFTER the gap.
As "per se" it is a multiplying event. You start process with a few free electrons, and end up on the other side with lots of them. From where did they come? From outside environment.

It is an open system.
More electrons- more current, simple as that.Converting electrical potential into current.
Of course, there is also "radiant" event, as spark generates UV and all kinds of radiation and EM-field impulse also. You can capture that one as a bonus.
On OU forum lots of discussion and talks about exotic stuff, but everybody overlooks simple, tiny spark  :)


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Re: Arc Flash and Free Energy
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2015, 07:06:17 PM »

 

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