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Title: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: rstergar on February 17, 2014, 09:49:28 PM
hi,
if anyone can help me with this i will be very happy :)

i have coil from which i can produce more than 100V with reed switch when i rotate the magnets (watch video)... and i dont know how to make puls motor from this? can anybody help me and send me simple scheme how i must assemble this to work without battery if is possible? i have two coils and a lot of different capacitors and other parts...contact: surf2rok@gmail.com thank you! :)

my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg8o_4fwwZA

i want something like this but with more volts :) ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjWCprVXer8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRYXOWaQQZc
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: dieter on February 22, 2014, 09:45:17 PM
As far as I know, pulse motors are under 100%, so not selfrunning.

In an adams design there are magnets on the rotor facing couls on stator, eg. 2+2, The coils got steel cores, or ferrite. Rotor is attracted. Then, when coils and magnets are closest, a short pulse of current is fed into the coils, of opposing polarity, so the once attracted magnets are now repelled, just for a millisecond, thus the rotor keeps on turning.

Using Schottky diodes to redirect the backemf to the right battery poles may optimize the efficiency. A lead acid battery may handle this kind of charging nicey. Tho some people said they reachen >100%, I would not bet on it.
BTW don't believe everything seen on utube :)
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 23, 2014, 01:50:02 AM
Sigh.

@rstergar: Try Lidmotor's basic design to start with. Once you have your motor running, then you can start changing things around to see if you can get closer to complete self running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjWCprVXer8

If you need more help to get a basic Pulse Motor running... after you have tried Lidmotor's system... please feel free to ask. Some of us may be able to give you the real help you need, without shouting at you to go and learn random stuff that isn't going to help you reach your goal.

@Atommix: Please feel free to show your pulse motor operating and running itself using the "one way to do it right". We'd all like to know just how "M, F ATOMIC TIGHTENING" works in your motor build.
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 23, 2014, 05:23:46 AM
Have I insulted you? Please indicate just where and how I've insulted you, and if I agree that it is undeserved, perhaps I'll apologize. But it seems to me that you are "insulted" because I dare to ask you to PROVE YOUR CLAIMS, or at least support them with some kind of data. If you find that insulting... well, that is your problem, not mine.

Meanwhile, my offer to HELP the original poster get his motor running still stands, in spite of your meaningless and unsupported distractions.
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: dieter on February 23, 2014, 10:45:45 AM
To add to my adams motor description: I had best results with medium strong, cylindric 1/2" diameter, 3/4" height magnets (maybe alnyco?), softsteel cores, same diameter but 2" long, coils wire about 1/16" thick, coil about 1/2" high and thick (2x + core), aligned to the inner end of the core, facing the rotor. Smaller coils and cores didn't work. Low impedance, low resistance and high induction seems to be required. For the circuit google adams motor. 
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 23, 2014, 04:34:59 PM
Atommix sent me this PM, which I replied to as shown. No, I will not engage in behind-the-scenes communication with people who cannot support their claims with evidence, or who pretend to "teach" things that they themselves do not know. Special people who are the only ones who have a "secret" and want to teach me something, behind the scenes... forget about it, until you can prove your qualifications and your "uniqueness". But of course you cannot.

My response:
I'm posting your attempt at subverting the Open Source philosophy publicly. If you want to start making sense, that's up to you. Don't try to engage me in secret communications though. YOU can either show evidence for YOUR claims, or YOU cannot. It's up to you, not me, and I don't need YOU to tell me what I "need". Support YOUR claims with evidence, or admit that you cannot.

Think it through.

Atommix's message:
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Unsupported description ? Atomic tightening is how these things work or you are left with magnetic inertia, try and stay away from the term self inductance or over unity ! There is not one university on the planet who will support the term over unity !

Let go of trying to get me to prove anything mathematics does that job not a silly video or pic ! 1+1+4000 ! OK !

Now you need to receive it from me, you wont get it from any other on the planet ! I am very different ! I would like you to open up a simple experiment with your group here ! To isolate atomic tightening ! And agree terms as to what you will do with it (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif) And I mean a real agreement of ownership and an agreement what to do with it ? Also I will state only the laws that exist that governs such energy !

So to keep things legal it will not be a public mass media experiment !

Think it through !

Yours truly Atommix
 




Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 23, 2014, 10:17:53 PM
Another PM from Atommix:
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THINK IT THROUGH ? There is a black hole in your philosophy and you are the singularity in it ! What has it got to do with philosophy try and think it through with mathematics you could try some physics !

So who is the independent that confirms claims here ? I would be happy to let them have it but not you ! What would you do with such a thing ?

ATOMMIX

Feel free to take anything I've said or posted to YouTube and analyze it and show me where I am wrong. Be sure to include demonstrations of your own that illustrate your point, and/or outside checkable references for the things you claim.

But you cannot.... you are just full of hot air, and I don't need it.

There are lots of people besides me who are reading this and who are eagerly awaiting your PROOF or at least a demonstration of your claims. I'm happy to let them "confirm".... or more likely, fail to confirm... whatever it is you have to demonstrate. I don't think you have anything, though-- otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your time insulting me.

Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: dieter on February 23, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
So did you actually manage to put your pulsemotor together?


By turning the reed swith to a certain angle, you can set the pulsewidth. Also make sure it does not contact twice, as reed switches do when in a problematic angle to the magnet field. For the adams motor it's best to send the pulse when the rotor magnet just passed by the steel core on the stator by a few mm.


BTW. you other ladies, how about to get back on topic?
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 23, 2014, 11:37:46 PM
That is laughable in the extreme.

The OP asked for help to build a pulse motor.... and I have provided a reference to an easy build of one such, and I have offered the OP help to build his first motor.

And Atommix has provided us with great amusement, but nothing at all related to the topic, and NOTHING AT ALL in the way of evidence or support for his increasingly silly claims.

That gets a ROFL, for sure!

(Nobody is preventing you from providing support for your claims, Atommix. Of course, if you don't have any..... then that's not my problem, is it.)


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The above is a course in applied quantum mechanics that I am happy to demo and teach as the first corner stone in zero point engineering ! Its a free course ! And I will teach it here to them that have an eye for reality truth and a passion for the exploration of space ! To them that make the grade will be offered a chance to go where no one has gone before .

Now stop the bull shit ! And lets get on with it !

Well? We are waiting. But I suggest you start a separate thread, since this thread has to do with making a simple pulse motor with a reed switch and a capacitor, something that is clearly beneath your vast talents.




Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: totoalas on February 24, 2014, 01:56:10 AM
LIRPA  TECH   COMING this Full moon April 1 2014
 8) :o
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 24, 2014, 07:09:33 AM
Atommix, stop sending me these stupid PMs. This is an OPEN SOURCE website. What part of that do you not understand?

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Its about a system of power nothing else ! You take in all that you-tube rubbish than advise people on what you have not tried or achieved ? If you did you would see its crap and would put off the individual from attempting it than you attack me for trying to bring the facts to the table .

Stop it ! And stop the you-tube fan club ! Its time that crap was put in the bin ! its a mockery of science an insult to reality and so full of lies and foolish stupidity that one ca only ask wtf is going on .

Than I come along one who has spent 30 years at it a vast sea of experience and big reality check one that would alter the attempts of nothing into something worth building .

The real technology is not on you-tube it never will be ! in fact out of the ten thousand patents out there only 3 % work as stated its a world of cons and false promise ! ALL HYPE A NON REALITY AND YOU KEEP IT ALL ALIVE ! STOP NOW PLEASE STOP FOLLOWING THE SHEEP .

I LIVE HERE IN NORTH LONDON ENGLAND ! i AM REAL ! AND NO MEDIA HYPE BULL SHIT NO CRAP VIDEOS ! WHY BECAUSE REALITY IS A FACT IN MATHEMATICS . IF IT CANT ADD UP THAN DONT BUILD IT AS IT WILL FALL DOWN .

i am happy to stick here for now until you except that one needs a reality that has a formula first or forget it . He has put the rig together and it does not work ? now hes wondering why ? for some reason he has gone for a system that is on you-tube ! nice video ! My question is where is the Tesla coil hidden the one plugged into the dam grid ?

Any rotation that is to generate power has to be formed in an efficient manner, if it is flat on the table it is in the wrong position ! Do you see my point ? no you don't !

Also in the you-tube example all the coils have no iron hahahahaha let me inform you no iron no amps ! All you get is volts just a tiny amount of power ! There are very few lines of force and no atomic tightening of the MF ..

i WANT TO SHOW YOU THE REALITY BUT YOU ARE STUCK WITH A YOU-TUBE DEAD DUCK AND SO CONVINCED THAT YOU PROMOTE IT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ? .

The only reason I said anything is because what he is trying to reduplicate wont work ! But you butted in with your philosophy work shop and went on the bull shit for 2 days talking rubbish .

My advice is this if you listen to me and stick to the rules of protocol for the confirmation of fact over fiction you may one day get something working that is real .

Attomix


You have brought exactly ZERO facts to the table, and I keep asking you to correct that omission. Is that an attack? I laugh at your thin skin and your inability to support your claims with data or demonstrations.

My advice is to belly up to the bar and produce something that supports your silly claims. And you really should do a little research into my background and history here before you start insulting me.

The OP wanted to build a reed-switch Pulse Motor. Of course these CAN and DO work, and there are ways to preserve the reed switch from burning up or welding itself shut... and if you were such a hot-shot you would know these ways. Does the motor run itself? No, of course not... but a motor that DOES RUN at all is a better place to start from than anything you have offered.

And it is you who are talking "philosophy" and "bullshit". I am offering real knowledge TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER and I am demanding that you provide support for your claims. You think that's BS? While you spout off your rants? Now I know you are a child, a troll, someone who cannot back up his claims with evidence.

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Stop it ! And stop the you-tube fan club ! Its time that crap was put in the bin ! its a mockery of science an insult to reality and so full of lies and foolish stupidity that one ca only ask wtf is going on .

Once again, I offer to you any of my over 550 videos on YouTube, for you to dissect and criticize. Refute me if you can! But you cannot.

How about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sjqoshznU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sjqoshznU)
See any magnets? See any reed switches?

Now, let's see what you've got.
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 24, 2014, 07:24:39 AM
So did you actually manage to put your pulsemotor together?


By turning the reed swith to a certain angle, you can set the pulsewidth. Also make sure it does not contact twice, as reed switches do when in a problematic angle to the magnet field. For the adams motor it's best to send the pulse when the rotor magnet just passed by the steel core on the stator by a few mm.


BTW. you other ladies, how about to get back on topic?

Reed switches can also be biased, to control the pulsewidth and sensitivity, etc, by mounting a small magnet on the opposite side of the switch from the rotor magnets. By moving this small magnet around you can find a "sweet spot" where the motor runs the best, and then you can mount the extra magnet permanently in that position.
Good reed switches are expensive, though, and should be protected from arcing if you want them to last a long time. But many reed switch users think that the spiky, noisy, jittery switching of the reed, plus a little arcing, is the "secret" for their desired effects, so they don't use the protections. Personally I like Hall effect sensors, optical sensors or simple electromagnetic pickup coils, but these require a bit more knowledge and skill, since the external support circuitry is slightly more complicated than is needed with a reed. See my YT channel for all my pulse motor videos.

Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: e2matrix on February 24, 2014, 08:04:03 PM
Well Atommix I'd be interested in what you have or anything to show a bit more than just words here.   At this time though you are sounding a lot like former member IST that was on here a couple years ago.  I'm sure there are a lot of other people here just kicking back and reading that will be interested in what you have too.   But unless someone is already in your area of UK I doubt anyone is going to come running to see what you have based on what you have posted here so far.   Remember the Wendy's commercial?   Where's the beef?   Show us some beef (pics, etc.) here and you will get a lot more interest.   Pictures, vids, schematics, diagrams or whatever but enough with the big claims without some more detail.   
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 24, 2014, 08:57:28 PM
Well well well. Look at the insults and disrespect, from someone who has NEVER shown anything, and who makes ridiculous silly statements while doing it.

For your information, Atommix, high frequency fast risetime pulse generators OFTEN use reed switches to generate their fast risetime pulsations at much higher frequencies than 100 Hz. You need to do your homework before you come to class.... "teacher".

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=842875&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F27%2F18278%2F00842875.pdf%3Farnumber%3D842875 (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=842875&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F27%2F18278%2F00842875.pdf%3Farnumber%3D842875)

http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/application_notes/706710305AN256.pdf (http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/application_notes/706710305AN256.pdf)



Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 24, 2014, 09:03:19 PM
@rstergar:

If you want some help without all the blowhard noise, please send me a PM, I'll be happy to help you get something running. It won't be OU though.... since NOBODY NOWHERE EVER has made an electric motor that is. Especially not the blowhard Atommix.

However it will be a basic platform that you can experiment from, learn from, and hopefully discover something new. You won't make any progress as long as Atommix is dominating the "discussion" with his insults, lies, and claims without merit.

Cheers--
--TK


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so come on than prove to the world  what you say is real lets see what you build and don't forget if it don't work or malfunctions my pet nut crusher eats it alive screaming or dead hahahahhaah live on you-tube .

Yes, that sounds like "ist" all right.... like a twelve-year-old kid who thinks his toys are better than everyone else's, when they are actually made from cardboard and mouldy oatmeal.
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 24, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
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I put a £100 000 on the table

No you didn't, you liar. All you did was to MENTION it. Putting money on the table looks like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IaY-mIPMzw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IaY-mIPMzw)

So let's see your PROOF of even having a hundred thousand pounds to play around with. You can't do it, because YOU DON'T HAVE IT.

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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A STUPID REED SWITCH ON YOU-TUBE MUPIT ! And let me inform you again I have set the challenge now you prove your self and bring any heap of junk that you have made to beat me ! I can produce 750 000 000 hz can you ? no !

LOL! That gets another ROFL for sure, you blowhard idiot. Read what you said about reed switches. And if you don't think I can produce a 750 MHz signal AND MEASURE IT ACCURATELY.... then let's see YOU do it first.

Here's my Frequency Counter. It has a 1.5 GHz range and nine significant digits of precision. Where is YOUR test equipment? Nowhere, that's where.


Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: dieter on February 24, 2014, 11:36:41 PM
You're right about the reed swiches, they tend to break soon. Must fit the used Wattage, best used only to trigger a transistor that drives the coils, but then a hall effect sensor could be used anyway. Or optical: A little mirror on the rotor could reflect an led to a photosensor and that sensor could trigger a transistor.
What exactly did you mean by "pickup coil"?
Title: Re: how to creat pulse-motor with capacitor - selfrunning?
Post by: ltseung888 on June 03, 2016, 11:52:45 PM
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/mwsg485521/#msg485521

Use DSO to see the negative energy waveform...