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Title: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 17, 2014, 09:23:30 PM
Hey guys i would like to help people acquire vortex coil formers at a fair price so we all can have a piece of this tech and explore ;)
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Title: Vortex coil inout vs output
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 17, 2014, 09:27:37 PM
I thought i would add a pic of my early results working with the coils
in the pic below i have my large vortex coil hooked up the my signal gen, once resonance was found the resulting output was much higher than in
these cols are 1-1 wound so no stepping up or down should take place but as if by "magic" eerhum :D u can get very hi voltage from very little input with this 1-1 ratio. and not forget the anomalous monopole effect where the coil can be tuned to produce a south pole only and a void on other side.
any questions please feel free to ask....all the best EHIve

Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 17, 2014, 09:33:26 PM
Here is a nice photo of the vortex coil in all its glory.....
Title: Re: Vortex coil inout vs output
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 18, 2014, 05:59:03 AM

once resonance was found the resulting output was much higher than in


So, these forms can be used to make an overunity device then?

Bill
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 18, 2014, 06:31:45 AM
Hi bill....
hmm i want to say yes and no..it's a hard one man, because people have videos apparently showing overunity using dmm and a scope which is amazing to most people but.....the problem is the instruments are not rated to work with the hi frequencies being used. from my own tests their is defo something special going on with these coils.....if you start looking through youtube u will find videos of people running test
i will say tho i have seen some people getting a hell of a lot of light out of a small input....take care

Title: Re: Vortex coil inout vs output
Post by: MarkE on February 18, 2014, 06:33:50 AM
So, these forms can be used to make an overunity device then?

Bill
While there have been a number of people who have said that they have achieved OU from a Rodin or vortex style coil, none have been able to make a self-sustaining circuit using one. 

These kits are a lot lower cost than some others that have been offered for sale.  That makes them more attractive for people who want to mess around with these sorts of things.

Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 18, 2014, 06:37:31 AM
My advice is to go to Radio Shack and buy a roll of speaker wire.  lol
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 18, 2014, 06:39:08 AM
I agree....and cheers for the comment
that is my goal atm, to help people on a tight budget afford the former. the original designer should get the phrase for the former but as for the heavy price tag....not good for us that have to pay bills..:i would like everyone to be able to research with these coils not just the ones with deep pockets...
All the best
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 18, 2014, 06:41:38 AM
mile hi...hey man u could go buy some speaker wire but the problem then will be getting the wire in the geometric shape with tight symmetry, plus they just look cool with the former...:D
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 18, 2014, 06:59:15 AM
Hi bill....
hmm i want to say yes and no..it's a hard one man, because people have videos apparently showing overunity using dmm and a scope which is amazing to most people but.....the problem is the instruments are not rated to work with the hi frequencies being used. from my own tests their is defo something special going on with these coils.....if you start looking through youtube u will find videos of people running test
i will say tho i have seen some people getting a hell of a lot of light out of a small input....take care

Thank you for your response.  Those look cool and well made for a decent price.  Nice idea for a product.

Bill
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: tim123 on February 18, 2014, 10:25:00 AM
Please use the links below to purchase formers...

Hi Electronix,
  they look like really nicely made products - and a good price. Good luck!

You must have invested some time & cash into the tools for the job... Loads of potential... Cases for single-board-computers (like RPi, Odroid etc) always seem pretty flimsy - maybe there's a market there too...

:)
Regards, Tim
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 19, 2014, 02:18:55 AM
Electronix Hive:

This is the issue.

You take a "vortex" coil and you measure its inductance.  Let's assume the roll of speaker wire has a higher inductance.  So, with your inductance meter, you start to unroll the speaker wire and make measurements.  So within short order you have two coils of approximately the same inductance.

Now, take your "vortex" coil and your speaker wire coil and try the various tests like lighting LEDs and looking at back spikes or whatever.  Will you observe any significant differences between the two setups?  The answer is no.

Has anyone done this type of test comparing the two different coils?  Chances are the answer is also no.

Is there anything significant about a "vortex" coil?  The answer is no.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 19, 2014, 07:34:29 PM
while i accept all comments and welcome them...i do suggest that all  opinions are displayed with evidence weather it be good or bad.
it is so easy for people to slate what they have not tried(if u have please post results in accordance with ur opinion so we can all see where ur going wrong or have it right.
you have to understand i am just selling formers  to help people out in a tight budget
as i have stated so many times, their are many people out their that have great success with this geometric shape...ie NIkola tesla pancake coil. Marco rodin...daniel nunez and the many people that have brought a former and got bk to me..

can u please post some pics of your test or videos , explaining all you are doing .and showing power in vs power out
 
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 20, 2014, 01:10:01 AM
Electronix Hive:

I hate to flip things around on you but I have to.  The people that make claims about "vortex" coils are the ones that should be showing how they can allegedly do things that regular coils cannot.  So think about it, have you ever seen any evidence of this?  I am willing to bet that you haven't.

Also, people like Daniel Nunez are just trying to cash in.  Why am I saying this?  Because I have watched about half a dozen of his clips and he barely knows what he is doing.  It takes a trained eye to realize this.  Some of his clips are really really bad in terms of how incompetent he shows himself to be.

So you may not be aware of this yourself.  Do I have clips?  The answer is no, but you are, in all honesty, if you really think about this seriously, you should be asking Marko Rodin and Daniel Nunez to do the clips with the comparisons between regular and "vortex" coils.

For what it's worth, for sure Daniel Nunez couldn't make comparison clips and I am not aware of Marko Rodin ever working on an electronics bench.  I am going to take a leap and assume that Marko has no experience on an electronics bench.

So seriously, if you want to learn about electronics and coils you can make one yourself, buy a roll of speaker wire, or go on DigiKey, and so on.  You don't need a "vortex" coil and the reason I put the term in brackets is that there is no vortex anything associated with the coil.  Nor are there any anomalous monopole effects.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 20, 2014, 01:15:51 AM
Thanks for ur input.....they vary from good to bad at times but all is constructive
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 20, 2014, 02:51:30 AM
Let me ask you, what is the significance of the torus shape?  Assuming that you are talking about the shape of the "wire weave" that forms an air-filled vortex coil my answer would be that there is no significance to the torus shape.

To respond to your points.  These vortex coils can't do anything that a regular coil can't do.  They are actually somewhat inferior to regular coils because it takes more wire and hence there is more series resistance as compared to a regular coil for the same amount of inductance.  They also occupy a larger volume than a regular coil would for the same amount of inductance.  They also would likely have much more parasitic capacitance than regular coils and that's not a good thing.

The explanation for the high voltage out can be stated in many ways, and it's possible Daniel Nunez and Marko Rodin would not understand some of them.  Have you asked Daniel Nunez where the high voltage comes from?  If you did you can give me his answer after I reply.

Before I reply I have a question:

When you say "1-1 basis" let me ask you what you mean first because you are using non-standard terminology.  Are you talking about a vortex coil wound with two wires at the same time so the two form a 1:1 air transformer?  A.k.a. a "true bifilar" coil?  Or do you mean compare a regular coil and a vortex coil "one on one?"  In other words compare the two types of coils side by side?

Also, what is the experimental setup?

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Magluvin on February 20, 2014, 04:11:55 AM
If it is a 1 to 1 ratio, same number of turns, same size wire, for the primary and secondary, while the input is an AC sine wave, producing an output AC sine wave at a higher voltage than the input, then I would like to see an example of a couple of identical pre-wound coils from radio shack do that. ;) I doubt it can be shown. ;)

Nice idea by the way. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 21, 2014, 12:59:34 AM
Electronix Hive:

I see that you withdrew your questions.  I believe that it's possible that you were unaware of the issues I raised.  The thing is that we can't let ourselves get bamboozled by others, especially when there is no merit to what they are stating.  A "vortex" coil is a form of electronics quackery, all the more so when people make unsubstantiated claims about it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MarkE on February 21, 2014, 01:40:22 AM
If it is a 1 to 1 ratio, same number of turns, same size wire, for the primary and secondary, while the input is an AC sine wave, producing an output AC sine wave at a higher voltage than the input, then I would like to see an example of a couple of identical pre-wound coils from radio shack do that. ;) I doubt it can be shown. ;)

Nice idea by the way. ;)

Mags
At the modest frequencies that the proponents of these complicated windings have used them, (10's of kHz) much simpler windings with the addition of a handful of discrete parts will behave virtually identically:  equivalent leakage inductors, parasitic capacitors and additional series resistors.  Differences aren't going to start showing up until driving these devices with signals where the electrical path is more than about lambda / 20.  If the coil is one foot across, a rough estimate is that they can be readily emulated with much simpler coils and discrete parts past 10MHz.
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Magluvin on February 21, 2014, 02:32:06 AM
Hey Electronix

Can you give us some specs of freq, volts in and out from your test on the previous page. Thanks

Mags
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 03:56:15 AM
milehigh.....omg u have no idea what you are talking about do you...... hahaha makes me laugh

please go here...http://1stopenergies.freeforums.net/ and tell these researchers they are wrong and the results they are getting are all bullshit and fantasy i dare you....you'll soon get put in your place.
i told u i am just selling the formers to help people, not making any claims..... but u are so quick to jump on me like some school yard bully....pathetic all of ya, 
none of you know the significance of the torus shape in relation to mathematics and geometry and no i am not going to explain it to you all because ur not worth the time...try watching marco rodin (oh let me guess he is full of it to)

these coils can produce ozone which usually takes 1000s of voltage and hi voltage output all on a 1-1 ratio winding all from 12 volts upwards..which conventional science says is impossible....explain that if u can.
and if u doubt what i am saying go on the forum and look at the great work people have been doing and not the silly videos of people claiming
overunity

oh and someone said nothing vortex about them..well besides the shape i posted a pic that clearly shows the spiral/vortex pattern on magnetic paper so thats that one put yo bed...oh and you are going to reply at least come with some proof and not just talk talk talk...when u dont even own a coli to test with..........
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc_bYiCttgA
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 04:00:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVvH5zSr8I
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 04:31:03 AM
look in short all i am doing is trying to help people on a tight budget, who want to explore this field
i never made any claims, nor did i say the videos i posted are mine or i am in them. all i was doing was offering a service, even if people had their own ideas i could design it with them and get it cut and give them good deal...
if these coils wasn't a hot topic right now and people were not getting results i would not bother trying to help and just go back to other things.
its no good questioning me u have to take it to the people in the videos and forums...thsi forum http://1stopenergies.freeforums.net/
their u will have all your questions answered and then u might decide u want to give it a go......so u can go get a former 3d printed , make it ya self , buy one for $100 or i can help u for few quid and im not looking to rip people off

anyways i don't want to debate it .....just have a look throu the right places and find the well trained peopel that are running tests and see what they are doing...not the silly claims....should not of posted those videos...ahaha dammm

take care all
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 23, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Electronix Hive:

I looked at Daniel Nunez's web site.  All the posters including Daniel are beginners in electronics.  As a result there are misconceptions everywhere.  There is no "mission to take this new technology to the rest of the world," that's just hubris.

Everything I said before stands.  Any coil can produce high voltage, regular or "vortex," there is nothing there.

You said, "which conventional science says is impossible....explain that if u can."  You aren't in a position to make that call, that's a big mistake on your part.  I also saw that comment made by a poster on Daniel's forum, and the person that made the comment also was not in a position to make that call.  Chances are you were just repeating what you read.  You can see how misinformation begets more misinformation.  The way to prevent that is to learn about electronics from the beginning, step by step.  Note that nobody on the forum has done any experiments to see if "vortex" coils behave differently than regular coils.

So think about those issues.  I encourage anyone that's interested in coils to experiment with them.  That means real experiments where you try to understand how and why the coil does what it does, and that's not really what is going on on Daniel's forum.  Daniel is selling some of his coils for $600 or more, and that's outrageous.  The forum is more of a marketing vehicle for Daniel than anything else.  You can do the same experiments and get the same results by making a regular coil or by buying a roll of speaker wire.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 11:02:32 AM
you keep referring to the original designer as the only person that is testing right now, and u also said "nobody on the forum has done any experiments to see if "vortex" coils behave differently than regular coils"...im sorry but u clearly have not signed up and had a look,
if the coils can produce such high voltage / ozone production (not saying thats a good thing tho) light xenon bulbs , neons and all this is done with wire that is the same gauge
...no stepping up is meant to take place, so thats one thing they do different from regular coils
i know the forum is a creation of daniels but the people that have signed up are doing well, .....of course its not the all and end of when it comes to coils but for its different i guess. their are people on the forum that also disagree that they are anything special but in the name of science and getting to the truth they try everything out with em, motors, lighting, pulsed electro magnetic healing, wireless, HHO,....so it could have many applications or it could end up fading away who knows...like i said i just thought the pricing was awful so i took it upon my self to lend had and make a few bucks ....so sue me...

also this is not Bk EMF if ur thinking all coils produce hi voltage and this is what's happening coz its not
Vortex coils have huge potential because they allow energy to flow via the path of least resistance and in doing so act as energy amplifiers, understand though this is not just a unique feature of the vortex coil, implementing sacred geometry into electromagnetic coil design results in better efficiencies and more predictable magnetic flux paths.
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 23, 2014, 11:24:31 AM
Electronix Hive:

The forum is a very new forum with only a few threads.  I looked through most of the threads and did not see anyone comparing regular coils vs. vortex coils.  So there is a preconceived premise that vortex cols are special without doing the due diligence testing to see if that is actually true or not.  Everybody on the forum is buying into the notion that vortex coils are different when in fact they aren't.  My suggestion to you would be to make a posting about the issue and get some of the experimenters investigating the issue.  That might not exactly make Daniel happy but researching these kinds of things is above Daniel.

Quote
also the this is not Bk EMF if ur thinking all coils produce hi voltage and this is what's happening coz its not
Vortex coils have huge potential because they allow energy to flow via the path of least resistance and in doing so act as energy amplifiers, understand though this is not just a unique feature of the vortex coil, implementing sacred geometry into electromagnetic coil design results in better efficiencies and more predictable magnetic flux paths.

There is no such thing as "sacred geometry" when it comes to coils and I strongly suspect that line comes from Marko Rodin.  Coils do not act as energy amplifiers at all, that is a misconception.  Coils cannot output more energy than you put into them.

If you want to post all of the details of the experiment where the 1:1 vortex coil produces a high voltage output including the schematic I will be pleased to explain to you exactly what is going on and how and why the high voltage is produced. (Or you can link to it but it must be properly documented)  You can then cross-post it back to the other forum if you want to and the experimenters can review it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 11:33:29 AM
listen dude im not ur PA....if you want find out more go ask a question and see what comes of it ..............
their are few people in their that will show u what ur asking ..i am not going to start posting their threads just because you can not be bothered to do a little searching...i look forward to seeing ur post in their if you decide you want to question the members doing tests and actually own a coil or even make a coil regualr on a 1-1 ratio and show us it producing hi voltage  !!!

last reply cba with you now....
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: tim123 on February 23, 2014, 11:42:08 AM
look in short all i am doing is trying to help people on a tight budget, who want to explore this field...

Hi Electronix,
  I think you're being very enterprising, and it looks like your products are really well designed and made.

I think there's a certain healthy level of skepticism, which perhaps some forum members go beyond, but Danien Nunez et al. are selling their product - as you so rightly noted - at a vastly inflated price... It doesn't look good.

Their initial video - he was using a multimeter to test the input / output - and that was simply wrong - and it made me think that at best he was incompetent. Has he done any newer vids with proper measurements?

I do think there's much to be discovered in geometry. I think that perhaps there is something in the vortex coil design - i don't know - I've never seen any compelling evidence, or had one to play with. Walter Russel had some vortex coils - which he said made free energy...

:)
Tim
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 23, 2014, 11:56:36 AM
Electronix Hive:

You are the one that cited the example of the 1:1 vortex coil producing high voltage in a way that is allegedly unique to vortex coils.  From what I saw on the other forum there may have been a few people doing experiments along those lines.  I got the feeling that the experiments were not completely documented.

So I will repeat, you made a claim that a vortex coil can produce high voltage in some kind of out-of-the-ordinary fashion that is unique to vortex coils.  I will be pleased to follow up on your claim if you are willing to precisely state what the claim is including a schematic or perhaps you can link to it.  If not then I will pass.  What is certain is that it is not unique and it is conventional and explainable.

People play with coils and lead themselves down garden paths all the time that are wrong.  Having an entire forum on a collective garden path in the wrong direction is not good for the people in the forum trying to learn.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 12:16:31 PM
Hey......  tim thanks for the reply
yes i agree that using DMM in a overunity video (ohdear) was just silly for the fact DMM are not designed to work over set frequencies
AC=50-60hz
DC =0Hz
so yeah i can see why people would go mad when wanting proof for such claims, yes people like walter russell , victor shallenberger all knew their was an advantage using vortec shapes.....
i do wish people would just sign up for the forum and do exactly what ur doing here...coz people on their can tell u way more than i could. even show u videos , pics and schematics for the driver circuits which is usually some kind of pulser circuit or half bridge.
the coils do not have a schematic u just wire anticlockwise till u meet where u started then go clockwise.....then hook up ur frequency gen to amp or driver sending the + and - on opposite directions and sweep the frequencies till you find the coils resonance, thats when the good stuff starts to happen

again i haven't done much with them because i am building a driver for mine but i understand what people are dong when they show me....
the pic on first page is just to show (dont jump down my throat plz) the gain from finding the resonant point just using my signal gen no supply voltage...so no hi voltage until i apply driver and hook up the power :)
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Farmhand on February 23, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
listen dude im not ur PA....if you want find out more go ask a question and see what comes of it ..............
their are few people in their that will show u what ur asking ..i am not going to start posting their threads just because you can not be bothered to do a little searching...i look forward to seeing ur post in their if you decide you want to question the members doing tests and actually own a coil or even make a coil regualr on a 1-1 ratio and show us it producing hi voltage  !!!

last reply cba with you now....

Give me a few days and a winding diagram of the vortex coil and I'll see if I can make a regular coil do a similar thing.

Question) Are the cols wound 1:1 as in two same length wires wound side by side  for the entire length of the wires ?

Meaning does the secondary and primary never part from side by side for the entire winding length ?

Cheers
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 12:35:03 PM
Hi farmhand

when i say 1-1 i mean same length, same guage same number of turns...in regards to the wire
dont think of it as a transformer where the wire gauge or turns ration is different.
as for schematic no one has rly made one i guess u can watch daniels video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiGH4zRsO0U....
this shows how to make the coil. ull see it just using 24 awg 24 strands twisted together then wound round in a torus shape
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 23, 2014, 12:41:57 PM
Electronix Hive:

I will give you a pointer about resonance and I know I read similar comments to yours on the Nunez forum.  When you sweep frequencies and hit a resonance point you typically will see a greatly increased amplitude on your scope.  That is not "gain" the way you and most of the people on the forum think.  (I also watched a few of the associated YouTube clips.)  When you hit resonance what's happening is that the circuit is absorbing the energy from the signal source cycle by cycle until the resonating is at a very high amplitude.  So it represents the storage or accumulation of energy that comes from your signal generator being stored in the resonant components of the circuit.  The amplitude builds up to the point where the energy being burned off in the resonant components is equal to the energy being supplied by the signal generator.

So, most if not all of the people on the other forum believe that they are seeing an energy gain when you hit resonance.  It's not the case.  Think of a wine glass that resonates to the point that it breaks.  The same thing is happening, the glass is accumulating the sound energy.  If it vibrates but doesn't break then there are two things going on in the wine glass, 1) it is resonating at a high amplitude where the high amplitude is there because of the accumulation and storage of a bunch of cycles of sound energy, and 2) sitting on top of the high amplitude resonance is the continuous burning off of new sound energy coming in from the outside such that the input sound energy is equal to the amount of energy burned off.

So what appears as "gain" is just a mirage, it's just the storage of multiple chunks of energy supplied by the signal source.  For the wine glass it's the singer's voice, for the vortex coil circuit it's the signal generator.

What you have is a situation where beginning experimenters confuse energy storage in a resonating circuit with gain, when in fact there is no true gain.  The moral of the story is that if you are serious, you will want to learn electronics from the ground up.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 23, 2014, 12:58:21 PM
Electronix Hive:

You copy my posting about resonance to the Nunez forum and you title it, "The Haters in overunity forum.....LOL."

Now you tell me, where is the "hate" in giving you a basic explanation for resonance?

I have to assume that you "know" what resonance is and when you see a higher amplitude sine wave on your scope that you are "sure" that you are seeing a gain.  There was a similar thing recently with respect to pulse motor pick-up coils being operated at resonance.

At the same time, you must have a feeling inside that I know what I am talking about.....

MileHigh

P.S.:  Woops!  Now the posting is gone.  My turn to LOL.
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 01:02:41 PM
what post u nar nar lol......
i was going to say it sounded a fair pint but don't explain what happening with the voltage rly
like i said im just a designer rly not experienced electrical engineer......
but yeah that might be a good idea to post it in the forum since ur not going to ask people who can give u a run for ur money......so to speak

who knows most might agree with you.....u have to stop asking me like i have all the answers as i have requested like 4 times now.......geez
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 23, 2014, 01:20:39 PM
Surprise!  I was an electrical engineer.

The reason I went back to the forum was to find a clip for Farmhand to help him with his replication.  You may have linked to it earlier but I think you went back and edited it out.

Here is the MrWarrensk clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPbiOYdd7U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPbiOYdd7U)

Farmhand if you look around on MrWarrnsk's channel you might find a better clip.  My suspicion is that the 1:1 vortex coil with a high voltage output on the secondary happens because the circuit resembles an ignition coil circuit.  The 1:1 air coil primary drive circuit shuts off quickly and the magnetic energy then discharges into a high impedance load connected to the secondary.

It is a genuine amateur clip from a beginner where he makes reference to resonance and increased amplitude or "energy gain."  His scope is on "chop" which is somewhat annoying but that's fine, all part of the leaning curve.

MileHigh
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: Electronix Hive on February 23, 2014, 01:26:09 PM
Milehi ...
cheers for the info good to learn from all people. like i said i know these ain't no magic device...just interesting what they do and way to expensive from other sellers.....well the links are their if anyone wants to try or now....must put a close to this now getting long ...and making my hair grey lol

but i will say if anyone reading this does try these type of coils...whether it be cone/ vortex panacke and finds that some of the comments are wrong or even right on both sides they post it as i'm all for progression



Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: MileHigh on February 23, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
Cheers, perhaps Farmhand will buy your vortex coil formers for his test, you never know!
Title: Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
Post by: carbon sugar on April 26, 2020, 11:00:09 PM
hola como andan? vengo aca para aclarar algunas cosas, la sobre unidad es totalmente accesible para cualquiera, bobina 3 (250 vueltas CCW), en el mismo nucleo ponemos una bobina 2 (250vueltas CW), y una bobina primaria de 14 vueltas CW, osea la 1 y 2 CW y la 3 CCW, a eso metiendole con un generador de seƱal, a un mosfet driver canal N, tira cerca de 5kv aproximadamente, con un ingreso de no mas de 70voltios