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Offline MileHigh

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2014, 02:51:30 AM »
Let me ask you, what is the significance of the torus shape?  Assuming that you are talking about the shape of the "wire weave" that forms an air-filled vortex coil my answer would be that there is no significance to the torus shape.

To respond to your points.  These vortex coils can't do anything that a regular coil can't do.  They are actually somewhat inferior to regular coils because it takes more wire and hence there is more series resistance as compared to a regular coil for the same amount of inductance.  They also occupy a larger volume than a regular coil would for the same amount of inductance.  They also would likely have much more parasitic capacitance than regular coils and that's not a good thing.

The explanation for the high voltage out can be stated in many ways, and it's possible Daniel Nunez and Marko Rodin would not understand some of them.  Have you asked Daniel Nunez where the high voltage comes from?  If you did you can give me his answer after I reply.

Before I reply I have a question:

When you say "1-1 basis" let me ask you what you mean first because you are using non-standard terminology.  Are you talking about a vortex coil wound with two wires at the same time so the two form a 1:1 air transformer?  A.k.a. a "true bifilar" coil?  Or do you mean compare a regular coil and a vortex coil "one on one?"  In other words compare the two types of coils side by side?

Also, what is the experimental setup?

Thanks,

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2014, 02:51:30 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2014, 04:11:55 AM »
If it is a 1 to 1 ratio, same number of turns, same size wire, for the primary and secondary, while the input is an AC sine wave, producing an output AC sine wave at a higher voltage than the input, then I would like to see an example of a couple of identical pre-wound coils from radio shack do that. ;) I doubt it can be shown. ;)

Nice idea by the way. ;)

Mags

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 12:59:34 AM »
Electronix Hive:

I see that you withdrew your questions.  I believe that it's possible that you were unaware of the issues I raised.  The thing is that we can't let ourselves get bamboozled by others, especially when there is no merit to what they are stating.  A "vortex" coil is a form of electronics quackery, all the more so when people make unsubstantiated claims about it.

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 12:59:34 AM »
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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2014, 01:40:22 AM »
If it is a 1 to 1 ratio, same number of turns, same size wire, for the primary and secondary, while the input is an AC sine wave, producing an output AC sine wave at a higher voltage than the input, then I would like to see an example of a couple of identical pre-wound coils from radio shack do that. ;) I doubt it can be shown. ;)

Nice idea by the way. ;)

Mags
At the modest frequencies that the proponents of these complicated windings have used them, (10's of kHz) much simpler windings with the addition of a handful of discrete parts will behave virtually identically:  equivalent leakage inductors, parasitic capacitors and additional series resistors.  Differences aren't going to start showing up until driving these devices with signals where the electrical path is more than about lambda / 20.  If the coil is one foot across, a rough estimate is that they can be readily emulated with much simpler coils and discrete parts past 10MHz.

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 02:32:06 AM »
Hey Electronix

Can you give us some specs of freq, volts in and out from your test on the previous page. Thanks

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 02:32:06 AM »
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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2014, 03:56:15 AM »
milehigh.....omg u have no idea what you are talking about do you...... hahaha makes me laugh

please go here...http://1stopenergies.freeforums.net/ and tell these researchers they are wrong and the results they are getting are all bullshit and fantasy i dare you....you'll soon get put in your place.
i told u i am just selling the formers to help people, not making any claims..... but u are so quick to jump on me like some school yard bully....pathetic all of ya, 
none of you know the significance of the torus shape in relation to mathematics and geometry and no i am not going to explain it to you all because ur not worth the time...try watching marco rodin (oh let me guess he is full of it to)

these coils can produce ozone which usually takes 1000s of voltage and hi voltage output all on a 1-1 ratio winding all from 12 volts upwards..which conventional science says is impossible....explain that if u can.
and if u doubt what i am saying go on the forum and look at the great work people have been doing and not the silly videos of people claiming
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oh and someone said nothing vortex about them..well besides the shape i posted a pic that clearly shows the spiral/vortex pattern on magnetic paper so thats that one put yo bed...oh and you are going to reply at least come with some proof and not just talk talk talk...when u dont even own a coli to test with..........
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc_bYiCttgA

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2014, 04:00:33 AM »
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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2014, 04:31:03 AM »
look in short all i am doing is trying to help people on a tight budget, who want to explore this field
i never made any claims, nor did i say the videos i posted are mine or i am in them. all i was doing was offering a service, even if people had their own ideas i could design it with them and get it cut and give them good deal...
if these coils wasn't a hot topic right now and people were not getting results i would not bother trying to help and just go back to other things.
its no good questioning me u have to take it to the people in the videos and forums...thsi forum http://1stopenergies.freeforums.net/
their u will have all your questions answered and then u might decide u want to give it a go......so u can go get a former 3d printed , make it ya self , buy one for $100 or i can help u for few quid and im not looking to rip people off

anyways i don't want to debate it .....just have a look throu the right places and find the well trained peopel that are running tests and see what they are doing...not the silly claims....should not of posted those videos...ahaha dammm

take care all

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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2014, 10:45:00 AM »
Electronix Hive:

I looked at Daniel Nunez's web site.  All the posters including Daniel are beginners in electronics.  As a result there are misconceptions everywhere.  There is no "mission to take this new technology to the rest of the world," that's just hubris.

Everything I said before stands.  Any coil can produce high voltage, regular or "vortex," there is nothing there.

You said, "which conventional science says is impossible....explain that if u can."  You aren't in a position to make that call, that's a big mistake on your part.  I also saw that comment made by a poster on Daniel's forum, and the person that made the comment also was not in a position to make that call.  Chances are you were just repeating what you read.  You can see how misinformation begets more misinformation.  The way to prevent that is to learn about electronics from the beginning, step by step.  Note that nobody on the forum has done any experiments to see if "vortex" coils behave differently than regular coils.

So think about those issues.  I encourage anyone that's interested in coils to experiment with them.  That means real experiments where you try to understand how and why the coil does what it does, and that's not really what is going on on Daniel's forum.  Daniel is selling some of his coils for $600 or more, and that's outrageous.  The forum is more of a marketing vehicle for Daniel than anything else.  You can do the same experiments and get the same results by making a regular coil or by buying a roll of speaker wire.

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2014, 10:45:00 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2014, 11:02:32 AM »
you keep referring to the original designer as the only person that is testing right now, and u also said "nobody on the forum has done any experiments to see if "vortex" coils behave differently than regular coils"...im sorry but u clearly have not signed up and had a look,
if the coils can produce such high voltage / ozone production (not saying thats a good thing tho) light xenon bulbs , neons and all this is done with wire that is the same gauge
...no stepping up is meant to take place, so thats one thing they do different from regular coils
i know the forum is a creation of daniels but the people that have signed up are doing well, .....of course its not the all and end of when it comes to coils but for its different i guess. their are people on the forum that also disagree that they are anything special but in the name of science and getting to the truth they try everything out with em, motors, lighting, pulsed electro magnetic healing, wireless, HHO,....so it could have many applications or it could end up fading away who knows...like i said i just thought the pricing was awful so i took it upon my self to lend had and make a few bucks ....so sue me...

also this is not Bk EMF if ur thinking all coils produce hi voltage and this is what's happening coz its not
Vortex coils have huge potential because they allow energy to flow via the path of least resistance and in doing so act as energy amplifiers, understand though this is not just a unique feature of the vortex coil, implementing sacred geometry into electromagnetic coil design results in better efficiencies and more predictable magnetic flux paths.

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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2014, 11:24:31 AM »
Electronix Hive:

The forum is a very new forum with only a few threads.  I looked through most of the threads and did not see anyone comparing regular coils vs. vortex coils.  So there is a preconceived premise that vortex cols are special without doing the due diligence testing to see if that is actually true or not.  Everybody on the forum is buying into the notion that vortex coils are different when in fact they aren't.  My suggestion to you would be to make a posting about the issue and get some of the experimenters investigating the issue.  That might not exactly make Daniel happy but researching these kinds of things is above Daniel.

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also the this is not Bk EMF if ur thinking all coils produce hi voltage and this is what's happening coz its not
Vortex coils have huge potential because they allow energy to flow via the path of least resistance and in doing so act as energy amplifiers, understand though this is not just a unique feature of the vortex coil, implementing sacred geometry into electromagnetic coil design results in better efficiencies and more predictable magnetic flux paths.

There is no such thing as "sacred geometry" when it comes to coils and I strongly suspect that line comes from Marko Rodin.  Coils do not act as energy amplifiers at all, that is a misconception.  Coils cannot output more energy than you put into them.

If you want to post all of the details of the experiment where the 1:1 vortex coil produces a high voltage output including the schematic I will be pleased to explain to you exactly what is going on and how and why the high voltage is produced. (Or you can link to it but it must be properly documented)  You can then cross-post it back to the other forum if you want to and the experimenters can review it.

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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2014, 11:24:31 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2014, 11:33:29 AM »
listen dude im not ur PA....if you want find out more go ask a question and see what comes of it ..............
their are few people in their that will show u what ur asking ..i am not going to start posting their threads just because you can not be bothered to do a little searching...i look forward to seeing ur post in their if you decide you want to question the members doing tests and actually own a coil or even make a coil regualr on a 1-1 ratio and show us it producing hi voltage  !!!

last reply cba with you now....

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2014, 11:42:08 AM »
look in short all i am doing is trying to help people on a tight budget, who want to explore this field...

Hi Electronix,
  I think you're being very enterprising, and it looks like your products are really well designed and made.

I think there's a certain healthy level of skepticism, which perhaps some forum members go beyond, but Danien Nunez et al. are selling their product - as you so rightly noted - at a vastly inflated price... It doesn't look good.

Their initial video - he was using a multimeter to test the input / output - and that was simply wrong - and it made me think that at best he was incompetent. Has he done any newer vids with proper measurements?

I do think there's much to be discovered in geometry. I think that perhaps there is something in the vortex coil design - i don't know - I've never seen any compelling evidence, or had one to play with. Walter Russel had some vortex coils - which he said made free energy...

:)
Tim

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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2014, 11:56:36 AM »
Electronix Hive:

You are the one that cited the example of the 1:1 vortex coil producing high voltage in a way that is allegedly unique to vortex coils.  From what I saw on the other forum there may have been a few people doing experiments along those lines.  I got the feeling that the experiments were not completely documented.

So I will repeat, you made a claim that a vortex coil can produce high voltage in some kind of out-of-the-ordinary fashion that is unique to vortex coils.  I will be pleased to follow up on your claim if you are willing to precisely state what the claim is including a schematic or perhaps you can link to it.  If not then I will pass.  What is certain is that it is not unique and it is conventional and explainable.

People play with coils and lead themselves down garden paths all the time that are wrong.  Having an entire forum on a collective garden path in the wrong direction is not good for the people in the forum trying to learn.

MileHigh

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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2014, 12:16:31 PM »
Hey......  tim thanks for the reply
yes i agree that using DMM in a overunity video (ohdear) was just silly for the fact DMM are not designed to work over set frequencies
AC=50-60hz
DC =0Hz
so yeah i can see why people would go mad when wanting proof for such claims, yes people like walter russell , victor shallenberger all knew their was an advantage using vortec shapes.....
i do wish people would just sign up for the forum and do exactly what ur doing here...coz people on their can tell u way more than i could. even show u videos , pics and schematics for the driver circuits which is usually some kind of pulser circuit or half bridge.
the coils do not have a schematic u just wire anticlockwise till u meet where u started then go clockwise.....then hook up ur frequency gen to amp or driver sending the + and - on opposite directions and sweep the frequencies till you find the coils resonance, thats when the good stuff starts to happen

again i haven't done much with them because i am building a driver for mine but i understand what people are dong when they show me....
the pic on first page is just to show (dont jump down my throat plz) the gain from finding the resonant point just using my signal gen no supply voltage...so no hi voltage until i apply driver and hook up the power :)

 

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