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Offline Floor

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Patents Novelty and Claims
« on: June 19, 2021, 02:37:09 AM »
So why say that something works if you are not certain that it does ?

Answer is at bottom of the page.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
If a person has a novel idea for a useful mechanical device,
         or
a novel idea for a method which accomplishes some useful task,
neither of these ideas can be patented in the U.S..
                                      However
A novel and useful mechanical device can be patented.
   and also
A novel and useful method can be patented.

What is the difference between these two?

  example 1
1. I say "I think this magnet interaction will efficiently transmit mechanical
energy".
2. I publicly proceed to describe that magnet interaction in terms of
"I think this device and method might do such and such and this as
such and such is how it might work".
             and
  example 2
1. I say "this magnet interaction will efficiently transmit mechanical
energy".
2. I publicly proceed to describe that magnet interaction in terms of
"This device and method does such and such by means of such and such".
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Example 1 can probably still be patented in the U.S. , if it is later described as
novel, and USEFUL.

Example 2 is no longer NOVEL and therefor it cannot be patented in the U.S..
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
So that  in the case that is does function as thought, it cannot be patented,.

  later
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Patents Novelty and Claims
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Offline Floor

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Re: Patents Novelty and Claims
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2021, 11:11:01 AM »
If a concept doesn't work out, one will likely eventually find that to be the case.

In the interim one may have caused some degree of excitement within a
percentage of the viewers of the devicement.   In which case their excitement,
will be followed by their disappoint.  Disappointment is an unpleasant experience.
Many who frequently experience it prefer to become jaded or cynical, rather than
risk that feeling again.

In addition to this, a presenter of a failed or especially of many failed devices may
establish their self / create an automatic association of their self, in the eyes of many
viewers as disappointing.

On the other side of it, if a concept or idea is flawed, being the person who has revealed
the nature of or the fact of that flaw can tend to make one unpopular as well.  Sometimes
or at least occasionally, it is the debunker that needs to be debunked.

There are other considerations in all of this.  Many or at least some feel that it is a
bad reflection upon the forum and an embarrassment that an O.U claim is made
and then disproven.  I can certainly understand and relate to that.

But just remember, the search for "O.U." devices is nutty to begin with ! Ha ha
he he ho ho !  smile
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
I have always felt / had even a firm conviction that there must be a method by which
the force from permanent magnets could be made to produce energy. Their behavior is
so unique. This is one other reason I have been willing to act with a large degree of
boldness in so many instances.

The twist drive device, that which I refer to as gotoluke's device, probably magnet force
shield 2 and many other explorations have yet to bear out / probably never will bear our
as O.U..  The vast majority of attempts in fact, will not.

The "Magnet shear to direct pull" and the "Magnet force shield 1", each test out as a net gain
in work (to the best of my ability)  .

The rack action 3 design, the user GammaRayBurst  pseudo solid motor, as well as the
Lumen / Telecom design will, I have hope, each also, prove out as net gains.

  best wishes
         floor
« Last Edit: June 19, 2021, 05:47:06 PM by Floor »

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Re: Patents Novelty and Claims
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2021, 04:49:54 PM »
Open source Dedication and perseverance ( Floor ‘s selfless example
The “itch you just can’t quite scratch “


It is intuitive that magnetism holds secrets!
Your hands on experience and sharing is priceless and inspiring!


And as you point out there are other unexplained devices which perhaps hold the keys to the magnetic city ...


Tremendous Gratitude
Chet K


Ps
You make us all want to work harder !!( in other open source FE areas too...




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Offline Floor

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Re: Patents Novelty and Claims
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 05:48:57 PM »
Thanks Ramset, that means a lot to me especially coming from you.

  best wishes
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Re: Patents Novelty and Claims
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2021, 02:35:27 PM »
PS

Before I accept this award, (Nobel prize) I want to say, I'm just grateful
to be here. Alternative and free energy exploration is such a great activity.
The experts and other explorers are the best people in the world.
Mostly though, its the fans that make all this possible.

Also if I may, I would like to thank the academy, then the producers,
the director, and the writers, and of  course mom and dad. 

But lets not forget the little people, the ones behind the scenes who do
so much to make all this happen.

I promise, if I ever make it to sainthood or become enlightened,
I'll send you all post cards.

  God bless you all, God bless America and thank you.

(insert Pepsi commercial here)

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Re: Patents Novelty and Claims
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2021, 02:44:29 PM »
Hollywood Oskar award or Stockholm Nobel award ?  ;)


You are not alone ! BIG-BR-OTHERS are observing You,sometimes with-out comment ! Only (bi-)wondering !


Was there not a taiwanese inventor 20/25/30 years back with a N-S magnetic ratch ? linear to rotative magnet force amplifier,C.O.P. 20


wmbr


OCWL


p.s.: You forget to thanks Your pets ! :'(

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Re: Patents Novelty and Claims
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2021, 03:12:45 PM »
SORRY TO DO A TABOO. DOES ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO
TINSELKOALA AND MILEHIGH?

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Offline Floor

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2021, 03:28:43 PM »
Hollywood Oskar award or Stockholm Nobel award ?  ;)


You are not alone ! BIG-BR-OTHERS are observing You,sometimes with-out comment ! Only (bi-)wondering !


Was there not a taiwanese inventor 20/25/30 years back with a N-S magnetic ratch ? linear to rotative magnet force amplifier,C.O.P. 20


wmbr


OCWL


p.s.: You forget to thanks Your pets ! :'(

 1. What the heck, a little of both.
 2. What can I say. The stage has been my life.
 3. Oops.
 4. Bubbles (the gold fish) and Herman (the marmot)

   peace out
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2021, 08:49:07 PM »
Seychelles
Probably in Mediterranean sipping Dr. Peppers and getting fat on cheeseburgers


With masks on ....😳


Crazy world we find ourselves in....
Lanca ,
I left you a plea for help at some “anybody see overunity topic “ here
Cavitation COP >5


Will have to look


Respectfully
Chet K




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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2021, 09:31:37 PM »
Floor
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I have always felt / had even a firm conviction that there must be a method by which
the force from permanent magnets could be made to produce energy. Their behavior is
so unique. This is one other reason I have been willing to act with a large degree of
boldness in so many instances.

My first first experience with magnetic FE devices was the Wesley Gary motor generator.

The only reason I built many devices and experimented with his device was because Gary made such an intuitive and compelling argument. It was unique, he described a region within the polar regions whereby magnetism became neutral, the neutral zone. Later I devised my own theories and labelled this region a "zero plane". That is, one condition such as a North Pole cannot transition into it's opposite a South Pole without becoming neither a North/South pole in the process. We know this is true intuitively and the color white cannot become black without first moving through shades of grey and vice versa by the same reasoning. There is always a transition zone in all conditions of polar opposites which can be capitalized upon as Wesley Gary has shown.

As such it's not simply a matter of polarity or magnetism or fields of force but subtle differences in gradients of force whereby the conditions we often take for granted become ambiguous... is it North, South or neither?. It is these transition or neutral zones as Wesley Gary described them that can become prone to field flipping or oscillations. The field, if you will, becomes unstable and it is this instability prone to oscillation that were looking for.

We could then ask, what is energy?, energy is change or motion and an unstable field oscillating between two polar conditions would seem to be what were looking for with respect to change. It is best to look at these technologies conceptually, what is the working concept were looking for?. Is it conventional even though we know conventional doesn't cut it?. Thus were looking for something truly different, something unique, something new.

You would do well to revisit Wesley Gary's work if purely magnetic devices are of interest.

Regards
AC






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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2021, 10:05:34 PM »
I chose to describe these magnet interactions in terms of measurable
mechanical forces, because this helps in avoiding those seemingly
endless discussions of theory that can lead to no builds only talk.

But yes I would agree with that approach / description totally.

"As such it's not simply a matter of polarity or magnetism or fields of force but subtle differences in gradients of force whereby the conditions we often take for granted become ambiguous..."
                   and so on.....

That perspective might be more functional in a broader sense, ie. application to no permanent magnets used / resonant circuits ?

regards
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2021, 12:53:35 AM »
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I chose to describe these magnet interactions in terms of measurable
mechanical forces, because this helps in avoiding those seemingly
endless discussions of theory that can lead to no builds only talk.

It's debatable, I know many people who have spent decades building everything under the sun with no success. They spent decades researching and building and never saw a COP > 1. So I decided to look at everything conceptually and listened to the theories of the FE inventors who had success. It was only talk however there words led to my working theory and a working device.

In retrospect all my building was basically a complete waste of time and amounted to little like most others. I was bumbling about in the dark hoping something worked instead of using my intelligence to try to understand the nature of the problem. As a builder I respect other builders however the fact remains that 99% of them will never see COP > 1. Not because they didn't try but because they should have been doing more thinking and less building. You cannot build something you do not understand...

Tesla, the most successful inventor on the planet claimed that he would never build anything until he had perfected the theory and working principal in his mind. Tesla said he would talk to himself and work the problem until he was satisfied it was sound and then build it to verify his theories.

So it's great that your building like myself and others however it means little until you have a working theory to build upon.

Regards
AC

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2021, 01:17:19 AM »
@ onepower

Again Total agreement...
I have some times wished that others would stop and take the time to
asses, formulate, clarify, theorize, THEN set goals / build. 

It's all to easy to lose context and direction even when one does  follow
that kind of course, let alone just jumping in with out a hypothesis.

My own personal choice in the matter, relates largely to time and place / to the environment.
ie. Over Unity forum, and to my own learning curve.

Speaking of the other kind of approach, the forum / its rebel ingenious members is / are a very
stimulating informational environment.  Yea a.

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2021, 08:02:41 PM »
As an aside and notes upon patents and intellectual  property.

I am not opposed to intellectual property rights, in general.
But if a device or design is perhaps important enough, I think
it should be open sourced.

What I have presented as being novel, in some or many instance may
in fact not be.  This is because novelty is difficult to determine with a total
certainty in many instances.  Please do not assume a presented design is novel
souly upon my say so.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
In regard to novel devices which I have presented and which may no longer
be patentable due to their no longer being novel (since they were given into the public
domain / openly published). large numbers of improvements upon them are possible,
and those improvements can be patented.
                     while also keeping in mind that
               "O.U." devices are not patentable in the U.S..

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