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Author Topic: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2  (Read 84327 times)

Online Floor

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #225 on: December 31, 2021, 05:38:27 PM »
            riddle

no 
smoky color
in the air,

cause
H20 power
is every where

it blew
in the window
and out the door

so the tin man could
stand upon his

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #226 on: January 01, 2022, 01:33:07 PM »
           Question ...
       Is the net gain from the magnets or from gravity ?

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Neither


Each one is considered ‘conservative’ when observed independently.


Net gain comes from the understanding of the difference between the two.

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #227 on: January 03, 2022, 05:15:24 AM »
Thanks smOky2

... ... ... ...
Once again let me state that some are already aware of these things.

I would like to ask those people to bear with me once again in order
that others can come to understand a few more details here.

In this other device @

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOBZsCWMDzI

We see the lighter object lifting a heavier one by the same
distance the lighter object is lowered.  EDIT was here

If the leverage factors are set up differently, the same device can
instead, lift a same as the lighter weight amount, but by a greater
distance than the lighter weight falls. EDIT was here also

Similarly the twist drive can instead lift two times that of the inputted
weight (even more), to the same height to which the input weight is
lowered by simply changing the leverages involved.

It is well that the reader should also understand, that the raising and / or
lowering of the twist drive weight objects can be done slowly, without
any ill effects.

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               floor
« Last Edit: January 13, 2022, 12:19:54 AM by Floor »

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #228 on: January 05, 2022, 09:35:39 AM »
Would it be more mechanical work out than mechanical work in
if a series of escalating, cascading "twist drive" units, caused the
cyclical  raising and then lowering of 5 kg by 0.5 m as a result of
a cyclical input, as the raising and then lowering of 100 g by 5 mm ?

The answer is no.

But this kind of process can in theory, lift an automobile to a
height of 6 feet, as the result of an input as the application
of 100 grams as force over a displacement of 5 millimeters.
To my knowledge, no one has done this yet.  That the process
can be escalated to    that    degree is theoretical.  There may
be unforeseen limitations.  Such a device would be large, expensive
to manufacture and cumbersome.

However that may be, it remains that the process   can    be escalated
to a very large degree and any argument to the contrary would not be a
reasonable contention. Not even. :)


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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #230 on: January 05, 2022, 05:57:02 PM »
Returning to this question (my own)

Would it be more mechanical work out than mechanical work in
if a series of escalating, cascading "twist drive" units, caused the
cyclical raising and then lowering of 5 kg by 0.5 m as a result of
a cyclical input, as the raising and then lowering of 100 g by 5 mm ?

Changing the answer up with a small emphasis.

The answer (classically) is no.

  Here comes the but...
When one observes the momentum present during the operating of the
twist drive (no third magnet present as the output weight), it becomes
apparent that the momentum of the input weight object and that of the
output weight object are greater combined, than would be the momentum
of the input weight object alone.  These two objects have neither, the same
mass nor the same travel distance. The output weight object has a greater
magnitude of each of these characteristics. The full cycling of each object
(as rise and fall, fall and rise) occurs during essentially the same time period.

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
There are now 37 videos on my channel at DailyMotion.com.  They are not monetized.

                      @         https://www.dailymotion.com/seethisvid1

There are rest assured, many misstatements made during many of these videos. 
Go figure. Be forewarned, they are produced on the fly and without edits.   


There are at least 3 twist drive videos.  Here is one of those

                     @       https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7b3x9a
Momentum ...
from 6 minutes and 50 seconds to 8 minutes and 50 seconds.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Another is here @
                             https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4p1ome

168 grams is lifted 43 units of distance by the fall of 158 grams at
22 units of distance.
     > 2 x "output"

    P.S.
         Thanks again smOky2 for your comments and observations.

            best wishes


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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #231 on: January 06, 2022, 05:54:57 AM »
                                   Dropping a neodymium magnet
                         through a 1/2 inch inside diameter, copper tube.

The magnet weighs 22 grams static upon the scale.

The copper tube weighs 190 grams.

The copper tube weighs 212 grams as the magnet falls through it.

Once the magnet arrives at the bottom of its fall through the tube,
the combined weight of the tube and the magnet is also 212 grams.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2022, 05:02:32 AM by Floor »

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #232 on: January 07, 2022, 05:44:05 PM »
Let me try to describe this in a another way.

One could say that the "twist drive"  device is useless.  If one
uses its output in some way other than to reset itself back to
its start position, it will not reset itself.  It is only 1/2 O.U. .

I know, its sick, but the device really can operate in a series of
escalating cascades, to the point that one is lifting an automobile
with one finger's effort.

foreword....

The mechanic has lifted my car six feet into the air (please don't drop it).
                  In doing so, he has just created an arrangement within a gravitational
field of energy.
                                          But what use is it ? 
                                                    None,
unless there is interaction with a second field. In this instance, it is a field of activity
(auto repairs) within the first field (beneath the lifted car).

In one sense, it is only because we have
                                   stalled the automobile in time,
that we are able to get use from the potential kinetic energy of its position
relative to the ground. We left it raised in the air.

Even though we made no   direct use   of the kinetic energy of its position
relative to the ground, lifting it was beneficial to us. Was it not ?

If after the repairs are performed and we don't lower the car back to the ground,
well guess what ?  It's not profitable to us either. 

« Last Edit: January 08, 2022, 02:43:51 AM by Floor »

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #233 on: January 08, 2022, 03:21:11 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30oPZO_z7-4

This is not my own video...

                                   Dropping a neodymium magnet
                         through a 1/2 inch inside diameter, copper tube.

The magnet weighs 22 grams static upon the scale.

The copper tube weighs 190 grams.

The copper tube weighs 212 grams as the magnet falls through it.

Once the magnet arrives at the bottom of its fall through the tube,
the combined weight of the tube and the magnet is also 212 grams.

If one wants the magnet to drop through the coil faster...
It needs to weigh more.
or
It needs to be attached to a weight object.

Either way the combined or total weight, must be the correct weight,
as needed for the twist drive to lift and then reset.

How much that weight needs to be, depends upon how many times one has
applied a series of, escalating, cascading twist drives.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2022, 05:15:14 PM by Floor »

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #234 on: January 12, 2022, 06:24:42 PM »
Next question..

Can the twist drive output weight object (as a magnet)
be lifted (by the twist drive actions), while the wire coil is shorted ?

Given that Issac Newtons observations are correct, then I think the answer is yes.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Next question

Can the permanent magnets be replaced with electromagnets and
the device still exhibit a net gain ?

Maybe but I don't think so.
Who knows ?
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Next question

Is there a second field, other than gravitational, in which the magnetic
could interact with a net gain ?

Magnetic and electric ?

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #235 on: January 13, 2022, 03:40:07 PM »
Someone, once told me that the same kind of result as the twist drive
can be arrived at using springs instead of magnets. At that time, I requested
that person to show me how to do this with springs. He didn't respond.

Next question..

Does someone know of a way to accomplish this and can they provide a link or
drawing and explanations which demonstrates springs rather than magnets
doing this ?
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Back to this question...

Is there a second field, other than gravitational, in which the magnetic
could interact with a net gain ?

Like, say, between the magnetic and the electric ?

Next question..

Could this be the underlying principal of operation in some of those
resonant circuits which are perhaps O.U. ?

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #236 on: January 25, 2022, 07:31:23 AM »
Is the twist drive O.U. or is it maybe only 1/2 of O.U. ?
I don't know / what ever..

Returning to the question of / examination of  momentum and it's interaction in / with
the twist drive.

Given that if the RO, 'output' weight object is a pinion gear sharing a common axle with a
fly wheel.

Would the weight object descend and reset the twist drive action given that during
its descent, the pinion gear of the weight object, is engaged with a rack gear, thus
causing, the fly wheel to accelerate against inertia and spin ?

I have not tried it, but I think so.
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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #237 on: January 25, 2022, 07:56:01 AM »
Next question.

Can energy be extracted during the fall of the sliding magnet's 'input' weight object ?

Edit...  Directly from the 'input' weight object.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2022, 05:17:04 PM by Floor »

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #238 on: January 25, 2022, 08:17:29 AM »
A little offtopic. :)
So I think, in those cases when the happy author of a perpetual motion machine demonstrates to numerous witnesses his device at work.Maybe the so-called inventor, possess telekinesis, and standing at the table, rotate the wheel or something else. No device will detect this.
Has anyone thought about this?  ;)

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #239 on: January 25, 2022, 08:24:15 AM »
@ kolbacict

Thanks

            for the company, comments and good humor.
                  best wishes



next...

Now that we have a spinny thingy  (this is required for all O.U. devices). :)

The question of wasting energy via repeated accelerations against
inertia / reciprocating actions..

The energy expended to cause acceleration is in relationship to
             the mass of the accelerated object
                                   and
         the velocity to which it is accelerated.

Keep the mass low ?
         or...
Keep the speed of the magnet travels slow !


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« Last Edit: January 25, 2022, 04:41:39 PM by Floor »