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Author Topic: Acoustic magnetic generator.  (Read 89415 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2014, 07:00:03 AM »
I looked at the pdf:

You can't select text so I did a screen cap.  They claim an acoustic signal going through the magnet core will make the magnetic field oscillate and therefore you can get more output power.

Now supposing you are just an Ordinary Joe molecule inside the magnet with your valence electrons spinning nicely and contributing to the generation of the magnetic field.  The magnetic field is just parallel field lines as far as the eye can see.

Now what is the sound wave going to look like to the molecule?  It will "feel" like a slightly "tighter squeeze" with the neighbouring molecules for a brief second.  That's not going to affect the spinning valence electrons.  They will continue to spin in a plane that is perpendicular to the magnetic field.  None of that geometry will be affected by the sound waves.

Why people do these things is anybody's guess.  Perhaps there was a "project" in the 1990s with a backer, just a guess.

The conduction of sound waves directly through the core, or in the air around the core will no nothing to the magnetic field generated by the magnet.

All that being said, I know there will be push-back, and I cave.  I know it's not going to stop people from experimenting and I want them to experiment.  You have a golden opportunity here to test if the sound waves make a difference or not.  You can try variations with sound and without sound and see for yourself.  You have an opportunity to test for over unity, and to do a second test for the alleged "sound advantage."

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2014, 07:00:03 AM »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2014, 12:30:48 PM »
@Tinselkoala,

Designate one of your magnet core bifilar coils as the primary. Attach one of your signal generator electrodes to one end of the primary coil, then attach the other end of the primary coil to the cathode of the piezo transducer. The other signal generator electrode attaches to the anode of the piezo transducer. The seconday bifilar wires to the bridge. This gives you the LC tank that Jimboot has wired to his toroid primary, and replicates the McClain/ Wootan Magnetic Resonance Amplifier or "MRA" circuit. Jimboot's hybrid version is a unique variety of an "MRA" due to his ferrite toroid core.
Are you having comprehension difficulties? This is exactly how I have my apparatus wired in the video, except for the addition of the LEDs. The schematic is included at the end of the video. Did you not watch that far?
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The way you have your transducer circuit wired now constitutes a version of the Davidson patent for the Acoustic Magnetic Generator or "AMG", with no LC tank.

That's right, since that is what this thread is supposed to be about, isn't it?
Except that the piezo acts like a capacitor, therefore there is indeed an "LC tank" involved.
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Again:

"The "MRA" is a series resonant LC circuit in which power gain is attainable as a result of the increase in effective impedance under certain operating conditions. When the series impedance increases, primary current is reduced. When the power available from the secondary coil either remains the same or increases as the primary circuit impedance increases, a power gain occurs".

And that is exactly what I have demonstrated, and that is exactly what Jimboot has demonstrated, and there is absolutely nothing unusual or even "special" about that because POWER IS NOT ENERGY.

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The other thing is; How do you know how many LED'S can be lit at the output end?
Because I  have made measurements. Have you? Let's see them.
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You might be able to illuminate an entire bank. I don't trust you to report an honest COP.

I don't believe you know what you are talking about, at least three quarters of the time. So I don't particularly care what you trust and what you don't, but I will call you every time I catch you making a bullshit statement like "no current flows in the primary" or that the iPhone isn't providing power to Jimboot's system. Remember this: I back up my statements with checkable outside references, facts, and demonstrations. What do you provide? Nothing but claims and speculation, and a lot of misinformation.

Here's a suggestion: measure the capacitance of your piezo element with a capacitance meter. Then remove your piezo from your circuit and replace it with an actual capacitor of the same value you measured. Then run your experiment again and report your results.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2014, 03:49:09 PM »
@Tinselkoala,


You've been reported by me to the moderator for vulgar and abusive language. I hope Stephan demotes you to "Pink Comments". You deserve it with your level of conceited pomposity.


Furthermore; There's no "Transformable current" in the primary. There's no "Transformer" proportion between any so called primary current and secondary output; So there's veritably no appreciable transformer type of current there! That's to counter your "False Assertion" that Jimboot's MRA is merely a transformer.

FU,

Synchro


P.S. I see that you indeed did have your "MRA" wired correctly from your video schematic.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2014, 03:49:09 PM »
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Offline synchro1

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2014, 04:36:17 PM »
@Milehigh,

Conradelektro's resonant tank experiments were very interesting and highly educational.

The resonant LC magnet core coil or "Synchro Coil", is a "Magnet Ringer" practically identical to Lasersaber's ferrite core "Joule Ringer". Wootan explains the maximum output is three octaves above the input frequency. The piezo transducer acts as a good test device to determine the "Magnetic Resonant Frequency" for a specific magnet core. Barrium ferrite magnets have been suggested as superior to neo's for this function, Floyd Sweet's choice for "Ringing" with reported COP'S of 1:3,000,000. My tests have demonstrated an increased "Ringing" output with diametricly polarized neos, primarily due to the angle at which the magnet fields cross the coil wraps.

The "Magnetic Resonant Frequency" should differ with each individual magnet core. Once determined, a coil can be fashioned and a capacitor matched to "Ring" the magnet at an ideal rotor speed. This should help solve the positioning problem.     

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2014, 06:08:39 PM »
You should be reported for making false claims and harassing people who want to know the truth. You have made no measurements for your assertions about the current in the primary, and you have insulted me greatly in the past, and in this thread as well.

Measurement of current in the primary of my device which is wired just as the Keelynet diagram shows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYR9LqzY7VU


The piezo I am using measures 40 nF when measured on a capacitance meter.

EDIT: Make that 35-40 nF, and also please note that the currents cited in the video should be divided by 10 to get the true value-- I was reading the wrong scale on the attenuator knob, since my current probe system is a 1x system.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 08:11:40 PM by TinselKoala »

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Offline synchro1

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2014, 07:35:08 PM »
@Tinselkoala,


Jimboot's I-Phone is not plugged into a wall outlet, and has an upward frequency range of merely 20Khz. This can in no way be considered a primary transformer current for the kind of secondary output he's lighting his two LED's to full intensity with. His I-phone can only output around a half a watt

I tested a digital function generator plugged into a 50 watt amplifier, connected to a bifilar coil and a 120 volt incandescent bulb. I dimmed and brightened the bulb to full intensity modulating the volume control of the amplifier. How many watts is your function generator rated at? You're pushing power into that crappy magnet coil through the piezo transducer at four times the frequency to make it look like Jimboot is burning a hole through the power lines.

Jimboot has a stack of neo magnets hundreds of times more powerful than the tiny stack of ceramics your frying with your signal generator. You're simply tying to make me look stupid with your slight of hand tactics. People don't need more than the half watt I-Phone acoustic app at 20khz to get the MRA to work. You're pushing some kind of transformer effect into that coil to make Jimboot's amplification power look bogus. You pull these kind of Hocus Pocus stunts routinely, like some kind of upside down Mylow!

Furthermore; The Overunity site has rules regarding basic decency. I was placed on moderation for using the not so nice nazi word. Vulgarity is unacceptable even for a big wheel like you. I demand that you recuse your distasteful comment, or I'll cause even more trouble for you Mister big shot!     
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 10:17:09 PM by synchro1 »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2014, 08:06:42 PM »
Still wrong. Again, without showing measurements that support your claims, that is all they are: claims. If there is no current... then disconnect the phone and show the LEDs still lit, or tell me what magic it's using instead of moving charges around.

Next... I apologize, I made an error in that last video. My current probe is a 1x non-attenuated thing, but I was reading the current values as if from a 10x probe. So the true values are 1/10 of what I spoke. I've added annotations to the video to point out the error. Sorry about that! (But I am not sorry about calling BS what it is when I see it.)

So if I am providing 10 volts p-p at 50 mA peak... what's the power level that I'm cooking my magnets with? And what do you think the capacitance of Jim's piezo is? What's the output power of the iPhone's audio amp, do you know? I do.

Next...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wLCoQoFCjE


Which demonstrates that the Piezo is a capacitor, and that the resonant frequencies obtained by experiment from observing the waveforms and output LED do indeed agree with the predicted frequencies obtained by putting the capacitance and the inductance values into the standard formula for a series tank circuit, both for the Piezo element and for the straight capacitor.

ETA: You should realize that our host is German and this website is hosted in Germany. They are especially sensitive about certain terms and attitudes, even to the point of making laws about it. The words you used are much more inflammatory to many Germans than anything I've ever said on this forum, I guarantee you that.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Offline synchro1

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2014, 08:17:37 PM »
@Tinselkoala,


I wonder how "Petro-Fascist" would be received to describe a certain brand of twisted bias? 

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2014, 08:21:51 PM »
@Tinselkoala,


I wonder how "Petro-Fascist" would be received to describe a certain brand of twisted bias?

Since many years, I make a practice of going for at least two days a week without driving or using any kind of petrol-powered vehicle. So... "when you pass, thank me for your gas".

Twisted bias is one thing, making false claims is another. My alleged bias has nothing to do with the _fact_ that I support my contentions with data, repeatable demonstrations that anyone can do, and checkable and reliable outside references.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2014, 10:12:27 PM »
Since many years, I make a practice of going for at least two days a week without driving or using any kind of petrol-powered vehicle. So... "when you pass, thank me for your gas".

Twisted bias is one thing, making false claims is another. My alleged bias has nothing to do with the _fact_ that I support my contentions with data, repeatable demonstrations that anyone can do, and checkable and reliable outside references.


I have two words for your over amped power hog transformer: "Short Circuit"!

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2014, 10:21:12 PM »
Wrong again. You have been wrong many many times about my demonstrations, why stop now?

More:
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2014, 10:25:03 PM »

I have two words for your over amped power hog transformer: "Short Circuit"!
Wrong, and easy to refute as well. A Short Circuit has very low resistance to DC current, right? But my primary always has either the two 100 nF capacitors in series, or the piezo element in series ... neither of which pass DC current. Therefore... you are Yet Again wrong in your assertions about what my work demonstrates. Furthermore, the coil primary alone has a measurable, significant inductance. What does this mean as far as its ability to pass AC signals of high frequency? Do you know? I do.


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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2014, 10:53:15 PM »

@Tinselkoala,

A short circuit is an abnormal connection between two nodes of an electric circuit intended to be at different voltages. This results in an excessive electric current/overcurrent limited only by the Thévenin equivalent resistance of the rest of the network and potentially causes circuit damage, overheating, fire or explosion. Although usually the result of a fault, there are cases where short circuits are caused intentionally, for example, for the purpose of voltage-sensing crowbar circuit protectors.


You found a way to bypass the transducer; Brilliant adaptation for an acoustic amplifier! You also grossed Jimboot off the Website. All you proved in the end was that you failed to get it to work to begin with!

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2014, 02:02:06 AM »
Except that the piezo acts like a capacitor, therefore there is indeed an "LC tank" involved.
Yes, a piezo element acts as a capacitor and will form an LC tank with an inductor.
This is elementary.

 

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