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Author Topic: Acoustic magnetic generator.  (Read 94572 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2014, 05:13:54 PM »
Congratulations, Jimboot! You've invented the saturable-core transformer!

Too bad Synchro is, as usual, wrong about the implications of what you've shown.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2014, 05:19:01 PM »
Congratulations, Jimboot! You've invented the saturable-core transformer!

Too bad Synchro is, as usual, wrong about the implications of what you've shown.

@Tinklesqualid,


Dim Sum pot sticker!


Jimboot is not running any current what so ever into your so called transformer.

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2014, 06:23:35 PM »
People, I would like to remind that overunity user: paullowance discovered
that a standard radio shack piezo element allowed to rest for 24 hours generated
enought overunity energy to flash a high brightness LED briefly. It did this even
when sheilded suggesting that this energy was caused by either nuclear muon, or
neutrinoes.


piezo -> petrolithic energy -> rock crystal batteries -> neutrinoes -> PEP-II neutrinoes -> LENR
-> LENR iginition signal -> Wigner Array Lattice energy -> a rate limited energy storage
mechanism with exponential stored energy playback.


:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2014, 06:23:35 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2014, 07:28:32 PM »
@Tinklesqualid,


Dim Sum pot sticker!


Jimboot is not running any current what so ever into your so called transformer.
Wanna bet, stynchro1? How about showing some measurements that back up this outrageous claim. When the LEDs are lit and the phone is driving the input, the phone is indeed supplying current, I guarantee it.

You think his phone isn't putting any current into the "so called transformer" ? Then he should be able to disconnect it completely and still have bright LEDs. Or is the phone doing some kind of apple-magic that doesn't involve current at all?

That earns a ROFL for sure.

(Stay tuned, I've just made an interesting video that should get you pretty excited, as if you weren't excited enough already.)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2014, 07:31:10 PM »
People, I would like to remind that overunity user: paullowance discovered
that a standard radio shack piezo element allowed to rest for 24 hours generated
enought overunity energy to flash a high brightness LED briefly. It did this even
when sheilded suggesting that this energy was caused by either nuclear muon, or
neutrinoes.


piezo -> petrolithic energy -> rock crystal batteries -> neutrinoes -> PEP-II neutrinoes -> LENR
-> LENR iginition signal -> Wigner Array Lattice energy -> a rate limited energy storage
mechanism with exponential stored energy playback.


:S:MarkSCoffman

Or temperature change stressing the element, or environmental vibration, or contact pressure, or many other things that were never ruled out by experiment. On the other hand there is no evidence that any of the things you mention could produce the effect seen.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2014, 07:31:10 PM »
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Offline Jimboot

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2014, 08:46:48 PM »
Congratulations, Jimboot! You've invented the saturable-core transformer!

Too bad Synchro is, as usual, wrong about the implications of what you've shown.
Bloke - this type of sarcasm is what kills this forum. I never made any claims. I was simply sharing something that I had learned. I wasn't trying to fool anyone like others have done with fake magnet motors. Glad I started this thread somewhere else. Ever heard of simple civil discourse.
I'll be f'ed if I go to any trouble to show you anything.


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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2014, 08:49:40 PM »
Wanna bet, stynchro1? How about showing some measurements that back up this outrageous claim. When the LEDs are lit and the phone is driving the input, the phone is indeed supplying current, I guarantee it.

You think his phone isn't putting any current into the "so called transformer" ? Then he should be able to disconnect it completely and still have bright LEDs. Or is the phone doing some kind of apple-magic that doesn't involve current at all?

That earns a ROFL for sure.

(Stay tuned, I've just made an interesting video that should get you pretty excited, as if you weren't excited enough already.)


I knew you'd go with "Stynchro"! You think that tiny I-Phone battery is suppling the current to light those two LED's to full brightness? Those LED's would run that battery down in a few minutes. Any current from the I-Phone stops at the Transducer, and never gets into the core windings.


The Davidson patent explains the output as an acoustic resonance that excites the nuclear structure of the magnet, not a transfer of current into a magnetic field and back again at transformed voltage from windings differences. Ther's no current in the core wraps, therefore it's not a transformer, it's an "Acoustic Resonance Amplifier"


Jimboot reports increased output with additional magnets and no additional input. Everything is always something else to you "Ivory Tower Egg Heads" with your endless scope shot drivel. How incessantly tedious and unimaginative can people be?


Just "Prove it's not a Platypus"!

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2014, 08:49:40 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2014, 09:29:32 PM »
Bloke - this type of sarcasm is what kills this forum. I never made any claims. I was simply sharing something that I had learned. I wasn't trying to fool anyone like others have done with fake magnet motors. Glad I started this thread somewhere else. Ever heard of simple civil discourse.
I'll be f'ed if I go to any trouble to show you anything.

Lighten up, "bloke". I never said you did make any claims, did I? It is that other fellow who is making claims, for you.  If you don't think you are showing a saturable core transformer, then argue your point. I can certainly argue mine.




Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 09:36:15 PM »

I knew you'd go with "Stynchro"! You think that tiny I-Phone battery is suppling the current to light those two LED's to full brightness? Those LED's would run that battery down in a few minutes. Any current from the I-Phone stops at the Transducer, and never gets into the core windings.

Wrong. The transducer is a capacitor, it passes the AC signal from the phone to the primary windings without difficulty. Would you like to provide some measurements that demonstrate otherwise? Please feel free to do so.
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The Davidson patent explains the output as an acoustic resonance that excites the nuclear structure of the magnet, not a transfer of current into a magnetic field and back again at transformed voltage from windings differences. Ther's no current in the core wraps, therefore it's not a transformer, it's an "Acoustic Resonance Amplifier"
Patents can explain all kinds of things, that does not mean that the explanations are correct. There most certainly IS current in the core wraps and it can be measured in many different ways... none of which you have done.

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Jimboot reports increased output with additional magnets and no additional input. Everything is always something else to you "Ivory Tower Egg Heads" with your endless scope shot drivel. How incessantly tedious and unimaginative can people be?


Just "Prove it's not a Platypus"!

The additional magnets move the core around on its B-H curve, since the small currents from the audio source are not sufficient to saturate it completely. This change in the inductance of the core affects the overall impedance of the transformer's coils and the effectiveness of the transformer action, as well as changing the resonant frequency of the piezo capacitor and coil combo. I've shown exactly the same phenomenon by approaching a Joule Thief ferrite toroid with an external magnet... and you know I have.


Meanwhile, this platypus is almost uploaded:

http://youtu.be/ZKlsMRQUSkE

(No "scope shot drivel" included.... after all, if you aren't required to show measurements, why should I.)

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2014, 09:36:15 PM »
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Offline Jimboot

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2014, 10:44:49 PM »
Lighten up, "bloke". I never said you did make any claims, did I? It is that other fellow who is making claims, for you.  If you don't think you are showing a saturable core transformer, then argue your point. I can certainly argue mine.
Yeah, that's the bit you don't get. I didn't come here for an argument - have a nice life

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2014, 11:55:38 PM »
@Tinselkoala,

Nice replication attempt of Jimboot's experiment.

Quote from Tinselkoala:

"Congratulations, Jimboot! You've invented the saturable-core transformer"!

Jimboot's I-Phone dosen't care wether his LED's are on or not, or how much increased power the inclusion of additional magnets makes.

"The ideal transformer induces secondary voltage VS as a proportion of the primary voltage VP".

The ideal tansformer induces Vs as a proportion of Vp. This is not the case in Jimboots magnetic resonance amplifier. There is no proportion between the primary voltage and the secondary output, so how can it be possibly classified as a transformer?

Transformers don't have constant input and variable output. Input is in direct proportion to output in a transformer. There's no way Jimboot's Acoustic magnetic generator can be classified as a transformer. That's just dead wrong! Understand Tinselkoala?

You're magnet coil core is already completely saturated, unlike Jimboots ferrite toroid. What you designed is my "Synchro Coil", and the inclusion of a LC tank with a variable capacitor in series with the coil and bridge rectifier to tune the coil as McClain and Wootan did should increase the output, as you dial off peak resonance at the different frequencies to maximize output.

The other thing is; How do you know how many LED'S can be lit at the output end? You might be able to illuminate an entire bank. I don't trust you to report an honest COP.

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Offline synchro1

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2014, 02:28:47 AM »
@Tinselkoala,

Designate one of your magnet core bifilar coils as the primary. Attach one of your signal generator electrodes to one end of the primary coil, then attach the other end of the primary coil to the cathode of the piezo transducer. The other signal generator electrode attaches to the anode of the piezo transducer. The seconday bifilar wires to the bridge. This gives you the LC tank that Jimboot has wired to his toroid primary, and replicates the McClain/ Wootan Magnetic Resonance Amplifier or "MRA" circuit. Jimboot's hybrid version is a unique variety of an "MRA" due to his ferrite toroid core.

The way you have your transducer circuit wired now constitutes a version of the Davidson patent for the Acoustic Magnetic Generator or "AMG", with no LC tank.

Again:

"The "MRA" is a series resonant LC circuit in which power gain is attainable as a result of the increase in effective impedance under certain operating conditions. When the series impedance increases, primary current is reduced. When the power available from the secondary coil either remains the same or increases as the primary circuit impedance increases, a power gain occurs".

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2014, 02:58:44 AM »
Synchro1:

"The MRA is a series resonant LC circuit in which power gain is attainable as a result of the increase in effective impedance under certain operating conditions. When the series impedance increases, primary current is reduced. When the power available from the secondary coil either remains the same or increases as the primary circuit impedance increases, a power gain occurs".

Can you produce any test data and other information to beck up these claims?  I don't believe the statement above for a second.  The reasoning is the same standard reasoning that I have mentioned elsewhere.  It's just an ordinary circuit that makes use of ordinary components.  The description above is lacking in substance.  There is every rational reason to state that it is under unity and no rational reason to claim that the circuit is over unity.  So unless there is definitive proof that has been independently confirmed by three outside parties, it's nothing but smoke and mirrors.  It's a pitch being made to people like you that want to believe and invest.

Norman Wooton has been around for many years, but I have not done much research on him.  In seeing him in clips, he looks like he is in the "second Old School generation" just behind Bearden.

It's a mistake to believe these things without proof and by looking at the circuit you can see for yourself that it is under unity.

You can't keep on making wild claims with no proof or inventing wild claims with no proof on the spur of the moment.  Any claim has to be backed by serious and reproducible measurements.  That's the way the real world works.  If you can't do that then you are just blowing smoke and crying wolf.

By "you" I mean whoever the claimant is.  So Norman Wootan has had a claim about this device that has been sitting on the Panacea web site and on the PESN web site for years.  That doesn't make it true.  When you think about it, with no follow-up activity for years and years, that pretty much makes it false.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2014, 04:12:51 AM »
@Milehigh,


The piezo simulates the pulse from a spinning rotor that I tested personally with a magnet core coil, and charged the run battery while looped back to source. I interested Conradelektro in testing the LC tank resonance coil, and you barged in and replaced the capacitor with a pair of resistors this past December. I interested Jimbboot in testing the magnetic resonance amplifier, and he was just as rudly upstaged again by one of your anti overunity fraternity brothers.


You personally ruined that test which would have supplied the proof you persistently challenge me to supply,
now you're undermining the alternate test proof I devised and received help with from Jimboot. Let Tinselkoala get his MRA circuit wired correctly and see what kind of performance he measures.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2014, 05:59:28 AM »
Synchro1:

Time to let go of the old line about "ruining the test."  You know that I did no such thing and I view this all as a "performance" by you.  I gave Conrad some suggestions, that's it.

I look forward to seeing the tests if people undertake to do them.  The AC excitation voltage should be much higher than what the iPod can put out.  With the AC input and the rectified DC output the power in and power output measurements should not be too difficult.  You notice it is very similar to what Conrad just did.  You drive a parallel LC resonator at the resonant frequency or close to the resonant frequency.  The rectified output is trapping directly into the LC resonant tank.  Therefore as the rectified output drives a load resistor, that will drain energy from the resonant tank.  The voltage in the resonant tank will therefore drop and the AC sine wave powering the circuit will be able to add energy to the tank to bring the resonant voltage back up.  Power will flow through the circuit like this and as you change the value of the load resistor you can observe how it affects the resonant tank.  If you slightly detune the AC excitation frequency of the resonant tank and assume a moderate Q factor, the basic operation will remain about the same.

I am not going to look it up, but I assume that you can model the piezoelectric buzzer as a lossy capacitor.  I assume that the thing will start to sing also.  Probably the higher the frequency the higher the losses.  On the other hand you may want to make the resonant frequency (or hope the resonant frequency) is above 15-20 kHz so you will not go insane from the sound.

I also just realized that the input power measurement is going to be tricky and you will probably need a DSO.  Current supplied by the AC power source is mainly going to flow at the positive and negative peaks of the AC sine wave (to be verified).  So that's a tricky measurement.

MileHigh

 

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