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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #135 on: March 05, 2014, 06:20:03 AM »
Bruce:

Quoting you:

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YES these earth magnetic standing wave CAN have a direct influence.

You sound pretty sure of yourself.  I can suggest that you read my last posting a few times over and then make some technical counter-arguments if you can.

I probably have done more experimenting on the bench than you, but it was all for school and work.  Even though it has been more than 20 years now, from watching your clips my feeling is that on an electronics bench I could spin circles around you one-handed and blindfolded.  And the funny thing is I am just an ordinary Joe Blow when it comes to working on a bench for analog stuff.  To be honest I don't even like analog electronics.  Note there are some people on this web site that are the real real thing.  They are in the analog electronics stratosphere, I have nowhere near the experience and knowledge that they have.  But I have enough of a background to understand and appreciate what they say.  For you, it's like they would be speaking "Chinese."

So how much experimenting you have done and how much knowledge you have is a relative thing.  The question for you is where do you honestly and truly fit in the overall scheme of things.

When you and Turbo compare notes you speak another form of "Chinese."

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #136 on: March 05, 2014, 07:10:51 AM »
Hello Bruce :)

I follow your and my own advise, just ignore them.
They haven't got a clue.
And it will stay like that so yea, waste of time.
They think we want to extract energy from Schumann Resonance !! haha
And as if google is a free energy mechanism encyclopedia.
Some are even more stupid than you would expect.


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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #137 on: March 05, 2014, 10:01:05 AM »
Bruce, Turbo:

It's a classic technique, when you can't offer up a logical argument and you are scared - feign arrogance and mutually agree to ignore the other person and claim they are clueless and a waste of time, etc.  Nobody is being fooled, including you yourselves.

I never said anything about extracting energy from the Schumann resonance.  I gave you logical reasons for never having to worry about the Schumann resonance when you work on your bench.  You would be better off trying to figure out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I never said Google is is a free energy mechanism encyclopedia.  I said to use Google to find more legitimate information on the Schumann resonance.

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Some are even more stupid than you would expect.

I wholeheartedly agree.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #138 on: March 05, 2014, 07:07:54 PM »
@Milehigh,

Wether or not the acknowleged mechanical 7.8 hrz magnetic resonance demonstrated by Jerry Bayles is related to the Shumman constant is of no consequence to the overunity output of the Synchro Coil.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #139 on: March 12, 2014, 12:05:54 AM »
Ok,  back on topic:  Acoustic Magnetic Generator.

I put something together using a 40W Piezo element and 2 ferrite rods on each side of this piezo.
For the time being i tested with my FG output (20V pp) only, but probably need some more power into the piezo by using a transformer or my Amplifier.

I "clamp" the both ferrite rods to the piezo by 2 neo magnets, not sure if this interferes with the flux from the ceramic magnets forming the loop.
I pick up some signals with a 93mH/180 Ohm coil.
I am still trying to fully understand the patent which can be found here
Comments are welcome.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Pachec48I&feature=youtu.be   

Regards itsu
« Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 08:27:51 AM by itsu »

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #140 on: March 12, 2014, 01:09:34 AM »
It seems the pickup coil has a lot of space between. Wind a pickup coil all over the two ferrite rods atleast for it to capture more power.

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« Reply #141 on: March 12, 2014, 10:30:12 AM »
It seems the pickup coil has a lot of space between. Wind a pickup coil all over the two ferrite rods atleast for it to capture more power.

Right, i could do that at the other rod, and keep the present pickup coil to hunt for the nodes and antinodes.

Thanks,  regards Itsu

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« Reply #142 on: March 12, 2014, 11:30:28 AM »
I had no idea your target was Gunderson/Chava related otherwise i would never have posted in this thread.
It has got nothing to do with what i was explaining in my posts.
Good luck on your research.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #143 on: March 12, 2014, 05:48:47 PM »
I had no idea your target was Gunderson/Chava related otherwise i would never have posted in this thread.
It has got nothing to do with what i was explaining in my posts.
Good luck on your research.


@Turbo,


Let me try and restore some coherence to the this thread; Tinselkoala barged in and ran a series of experiments on an MRA, Magnetic Resonace Amplifier, designed by Mclain and Wooten, where the transducer current is directed through a primary magnet core coil primary to create an LC tank resonance. He demonstrated the same infinite resistor effect of LC resonance that Itsu demonstrated in his series of videos. Tinselkoala went so far as to replace the acoustic transducer with capacitors, to underscore his peculiar project that was off topic by two parameters , not one. Firstly, the thread topic is the Acoustic Magnet Generator. The AMG as patented by Gunderson, has nothing to do with the resonant LC tank of the MRA that Tinselkoala elbowed into this thread with.


Tinselkoala had the audacity to call me "Bullshit" because I pointed out that the AMG merely oscillated the Piezo transducer, and did not run current through any primary coil.


I started this thread to find help in determining the resonant frequency of magnets. Milehigh "Trolled" in with the outrageous proposition that magnets have no resonant frequency, only to humbly recant in the face of Verpies rebuttal.


Turbo introduced the work of Jerry Bayles. Jerry's demonstrations of magnetic resonant frequency is definitly germaine to this thread topic, because it dosen't matter if the magnet is acoustically or radial magnet spinner full sine wave oscillated to achieve the resonant output amplification nodes that Itsu is currently experimenting with. 


The exciting feature in common here is the extra energy released from magnets at resonant frequencies.


Bayles appears to be exciting satellite magnets by spinning two axial polarized disk magnets  mounted in opposition on an axle in a Faraday Homopolar configuration. A magnet field viewer would reveal the field of one of the axial polarized spinning disks as stationary. Attaching a copper disk to the spinning magnet disk would generate a current between the radius and axle of the copper, because the copper disk would be running through the stationary field of the spinning magnet disk. The addition of a second disk in field opposition creates a second stationary field. Bayles maintains that the difference between these fields generates an A vector potential that oscillates the satellite magnets at 7.8 Shumman resonance. This is a mysterious force that has nothing to do with Lenz's law, and involves an excitement of the quantum medium, according to Bayles's theories.     


The interesting link here is that McLain and Wooten got Barrium Ferrite magnets to ring at 8khz, a bi multiple of the 7.8 frequency Bayles gets his increased oscillation at. What's going on here? Are we looking at an quantum ionic Chiral effect on the acoustic plane as Bayles theorizes? I don't want Turbo to distance himself from Itzu's experiments on this thread, because there are very exciting parallels between these tests that need correlation!   

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #144 on: March 12, 2014, 06:20:00 PM »

@Turbo,

The exciting feature in common here is the extra energy released from magnets at resonant frequencies.

Exactly but i jumped in because somebody was discussing my dancing magnet video.
That video was made many many years ago.
The mechanism i was describing is electrical it does not use magnets but it uses high voltage pulsed charges to excite the local medium so that it gives a response which can be loaded.
A voltage to current converter and voltage is cheap..
An continuous energized closed loop is always fighting nature and so you have to keep adding the losses.
The mechanism i describe opens up the loop and from that point on it becomes possible to separate the voltage from the currant and actually have nature helping you to power your load.
It's much like the work of T.H Moray so it's a different thing altogether. 

And i do not have any interest in chava or gunderson or mark golds or any of their patented work.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #145 on: March 12, 2014, 06:26:29 PM »
@Turbo,


Have you done any further tests?

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« Reply #146 on: March 12, 2014, 06:32:12 PM »
You mean on the magnetic thing?
No because i realized it was mechanical and will have lots of mechanical resistance and will eventually wear down so i switched research into more electrical means or solid state so to speak.
I did find correlations between neuroscience and this dancing magnet experiment i found that this 7.8Hz wave also seems to resonate with all living things on this planet and shows up on an brainwave E.E.G but that is also an entirely different area of research.
My final take was that telepathy must be based on something like the brain plucking magnetic field lines so we are all connected because we all live in the same magnetic field magnetic phone lines? no but i stopped magnetic research at that point.
I started to look at the mechanism that generates these magnetic waves which is lightning and lightning is generated by moving over a high voltage threshold so a strike occurs giving birth to the Schumann waves converting the DC ionospheric charge into alternating electromagnetic waves of a frequency related to dimensions involved.
Once i realized that this mechanism could be used in scaled down bench version to generate electromagnetic waves in a tweaked version of this exact mechanism things got interesting.
The tweaking involves upping the product frequency like Schumann waves on steroids so it matches a HF resonant circuit to extract the energy as well as the means of generating the event by pulsing high voltage in stead of going over a threshold which happens in the natural example.
But that was long after i was using single and slow mechanical generated high voltage pulses and using one way shots and diodes to extract the response and force it through a load to generate current.

I can not write 10 yrs of research into a single post and as you can see this has got nothing to do with the magnetic acoustic thingy.

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« Reply #147 on: March 12, 2014, 07:03:35 PM »
Thank you for that post!!
This touches everything...............
 
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #148 on: March 13, 2014, 12:41:31 AM »

Quote from Bayles:

"Proof that free energy is obtained through "wobbulation" around the axis of a spinning magnet where the wobbling is 90 degrees to the magnetic field. The result is a changing energy field axial within a hollow pickup coil that is 90 degrees to the magnetic field but inline axially to the wobbulation offset. A coaxial capacitor in the coil is used to pick up the radial electric field and the presence of that field proves the concept of a three dimensional 90 degree field change which is accomplished via the action of the spinning magnet wobbling towards the pickup coil".


What appears to be an inscrutable explanation here is really simple to decode. Bayles's spinning axial polarized disk magnet is wobbling slightly on the axle, and the output coil is placed sideways. The spinning disk's magnetic field is stationary in the direction of spin, but shifting side to side generating a current in the air core output coil at 90 degrees. This field shift is a fluctuating effect that Bayles has oscillating at a resonant frequency. He maintains there's free energy at  7.8 hrz resonance. This is a sine wave, and at 90 degress no different then the fluctuating effect of a spinning diametric.       

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #149 on: March 13, 2014, 01:02:54 AM »
Synchro1:

I am not aware of any applications associated with a "resonant frequency" for a magnet.  Verpies explained a method on the atomic level for very high frequency resonance of atomic dipoles.  I bet you weren't even aware of that, and for me it never even occurred to me but the reasoning makes sense.

None the less, it is somewhat esoteric and if there are any real-world practical applications it would be interesting to learn about them.

For whatever project you want to pursue, it still comes down to power-in and power-out measurements.  If you are a keener, you will draw up timing diagrams.  Wouldn't it be nice to see where the magic extra slice of apple pie appears right on the timing diagram itself.

The 7.8 Hz stuff and the line "The exciting feature in common here is the extra energy released from magnets at resonant frequencies." is just fantasy talk.  You are welcome to prove me wrong.

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The interesting link here is that McLain and Wooten got Barrium Ferrite magnets to ring at 8khz

Sorry I haven't looked at the link but I am smelling something amiss.  If magnetic molecules mechanically resonate in the megahertz frequency range, resonance at 8 kHz seems way too far fetched.  If you lower the intensity of the magnetic field inside a magnet, then the resonant frequency drops.  I simply don't ever see it getting that low.

However, if they are talking about the acoustic mechanical resonance of the physical magnet itself that makes perfect sense.  But then you are back to battling with Mother Nature:  If the mechanical resonance affects the magnetic domains resulting in the ability to extract power from a coil wrapped around the magnet, how much mechanical power do you have to put in to get the physical magnet to mechanically resonate vs how much electrical power can you extract from the coil.  There won't be an extra slice of apple pie there either.  Certainly experiment if you want to but those are some of the constraints you will find yourself under if you do the experiments and make proper measurements.

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