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Author Topic: Acoustic magnetic generator.  (Read 97587 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #120 on: March 02, 2014, 07:20:05 AM »
The last few postings consist of the usual Synchro1 fantasy nonsense talk with some cheerleading and I am here to bring some balance to the discussion.

There is no Schumann resonance anything to worry about when you work on an electronic circuit or play with magnets on your bench.  There are no Schumann effects at all on this scale.  It's simply a ridiculous idea.  If you disagree make a case with a logical argument.

Likewise, there is no such thing as a resonance frequency for a magnet.  It's another ridiculous idea.  If you disagree make a case with a logical argument.

This is nothing more than leading yourselves down a garden path of your own making like you are writers for your own low-budget science fiction movie.  It's an insult to science and engineering and also to the legitimate researchers around here to hear this fantasy nonsense talk all the time.

Again, if you disagree with me make a case with a logical argument.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #121 on: March 02, 2014, 04:49:30 PM »
Like i said just ignore the naysayers and do your own research.
You will find it yourself.

Seeing is believing and you don't need to prove anything to anybody so just ignore them.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #122 on: March 02, 2014, 07:19:09 PM »
Likewise, there is no such thing as a resonance frequency for a magnet.  It's another ridiculous idea.  If you disagree make a case with a logical argument.
I'm all for logical arguments.  Let's take a NdFeB magnet as an example:

Over 20% of naturally occurring Neodymium and 2%  of naturally occurring Iron and 100% of Boron have non-zero nuclear magnetic moments, thus their nuclei will resonate at 2.31MHz/T and 1.38MHz/T and 13.66MHz/T, respectively, for the most common isotopes.

These resonances can be invoked by time varying magnetic fields (NMR) or acoustic vibrations of the magnet (NAR).

Also, a rod shaped magnet will support specific acoustic standing wave frequencies inversely proportional to the rod's length.
The Villari effect might influence the magnetic properties of a magnet, especially when acoustic standing waves are formed inside it.

I'm not stating that Out/In power ratio > 1 can be achieved in devices excited by these magnetic or acoustic resonance frequencies, but I think it is incorrect to state, that "there is no such thing as a resonance frequency for a magnet".

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #123 on: March 02, 2014, 10:45:08 PM »
The last few postings consist of the usual Synchro1 fantasy nonsense talk with some cheerleading and I am here to bring some balance to the discussion.

There is no Schumann resonance anything to worry about when you work on an electronic circuit or play with magnets on your bench.  There are no Schumann effects at all on this scale.  It's simply a ridiculous idea.  If you disagree make a case with a logical argument.

Likewise, there is no such thing as a resonance frequency for a magnet.  It's another ridiculous idea.  If you disagree make a case with a logical argument.

This is nothing more than leading yourselves down a garden path of your own making like you are writers for your own low-budget science fiction movie.  It's an insult to science and engineering and also to the legitimate researchers around here to hear this fantasy nonsense talk all the time.

Again, if you disagree with me make a case with a logical argument.

MileHigh
Quote from Jerry Baylis,

Magnetic standing wave around two variable speed disk magnets resonates with two small 'balance' magnets at the Schumann frequency (7.834 Hz).

Milehigh,

Your crass comparisons of me to a cheerleader and director of nonsensical low budget science fiction movies is just more exhaust from a head held to a tire inflation hose. You pressured Conradelektro into trivializing his flutter discovery with my Synchro Coil. You are nothing more than a petro scoundrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU

After viewing this video, imagine wrapping the oscillating toroid magnets with copper wire output coils. The experimentor has assured us a constant input power was applied for each frequency. Where would the magnets generate the most output?
The magnet core coil Conradelektro began to experiment with has a máximum output frequency as well. This peak ouput range is not imaginary and corresponds to the 7.83 hrz Shumman constant along with the Marcos dancing magnets and the Jerry Baylis example.
 
Think about the implications of this! This is a very important discovery, and should not be unduly discredited.
 

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #124 on: March 03, 2014, 01:25:40 AM »
The only implication of this experiment is that the magneto-mechanical resonance of this particular magnet arrangement is 7.8Hz.
The laws of Newton an Gauss predict that with larger magnets this resonance frequency would be lower and with smaller magnets - higher. 
The opposite is true in reference to the magnetic flux density gradient of those magnets.

So far this phenomenon has a very high yawn factor and does not prove in any way that the 7.8Hz frequency is special universally.

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« Reply #124 on: March 03, 2014, 01:25:40 AM »
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #125 on: March 03, 2014, 03:32:33 AM »
Verpies:

What you are saying is valid, I know that you know your stuff.  So a molecular magnetic dipole can be made to resonate within the metallic lattice with external stimulation.  There is not a constant strength of magnetic field inside a bar magnet so different points will resonate at slightly different frequencies.  In reading what you state it sounds like putting a bar magnet inside a coil with the right stimulation will cause individual molecules to resonate.  This is essentially mechanical resonance on an atomic scale.  Since it's on an atomic scale, I will assume that when you remove the stimulation that the oscillation will decay to zero in less than a 100 microseconds.  So exciting a magnet at the mechanical resonant frequency of the individual molecules will indeed happen, and then when you remove the stimulation it will stop essentially instantly.   Likewise I acknowledged that mechanical resonance can affect the magnetic domains but I got the impression that it would require very large amplitudes and very high mechanical stresses to have any noticeable effects.

So, indeed your points are valid.  Can you do anything practical with this on the bench?  Is this in any way related to Synchro1's fantasy about resonance and magnets?  in both cases I assume that the answer is no.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #126 on: March 03, 2014, 04:01:29 AM »
Synchro1:

You cannot give me a logical argument that explains why the Schumann resonance should have any affect on what an experimenter does on his bench.  I asked you to but you ignored the question.

Now, supposing you are in a modern covered football stadium and the place is empty except for you.  You are at one end and you shout out a yelp as loud as you can and you listen for the echo.  You will probably hear one echo and if you are lucky you might hear a second echo.  Now, put yourself in the center of the widest part of the Grand Canyon in the middle of the night when all is quiet.  You can shout your lungs off and you won't hear an echo.   Now put yourself in the center of a giant stadium of the imagination that is 30,000 kilometers by 30,000 kilometers.  Your shout will not be heard nor will the echo be heard.  The whole "connection" to the Schumann resonance is nonsense fantasy talk that you heard about and adopted as a cause celebre.

The flutter talk is nonsense and the Conrad stuff is not true.  Stop that and stop calling me names.

There is no discovery and there are no implications.  That's the real deal Synchro1.

It's Oscar night and I am going to draw a parallel between your online character here and the 2013 movie "Gravity."  The movie is filled with contrived and ridiculous drama and fake junk and impossible pseudoscience.  In other words, just like you.

The top rated user review of the movie on the Internet Movie Database says it all.   I will link to it below.  Read the review and look for the parallels between the persona that you present to the world on this forum as "Synchro1" and the movie itself.  It's uncanny!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1454468/reviews?ref_=tt_ov_rt

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #127 on: March 03, 2014, 07:50:27 AM »
So what you do is realize that this so called fantasy is actually the largest display of discharged natural electromagnetic energy on this planet currently known to man and once you realize that, it becomes easy to ignore the foolish nay sayers and remember you do not owe anything to anybody.
Not answering someones question is simply not responding to their scream for attention, especially those that try to practise destructive convincing, they are of no importance to us.
Just keep on experimenting and work towards the energy source, and you will be fine.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #128 on: March 03, 2014, 06:09:35 PM »
@Turbo,

Thanks a million for the hyper link to the Jerry Bayles videos. You appeared just in time to save me from the Troll nightmare.

@ Milehigh,

I have movie for you Bub´- Attack of the Zonbie Trolls! I have a metaphor for you and your Grand canyon comparison. Try the A vector potential demonstrated by Jerry Bayles, and a pod of Dolphins riding the bow wake of an Ocean liner! Your Verpies groveling failed to go unoticed. I plan to start a new thread entitled the Synchro Coil, in view of the Bayles tests, because the the subject is growing off topic.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #129 on: March 04, 2014, 12:27:42 AM »
Turbo:

The Schumann resonant cavity is a passive resonant cavity that exists in the ionosphere.  Passive is the operating word.  It sits there and does absolutely nothing except partially reflect energy from somewhere else.  It acts like a partial mirror for certain wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation.  It's as dead as a doornail.  However, the idea of the Schumann resonant cavity and the Schumann frequency is used by people to sell books and videos to gullible and ignorant people.  Remember the "Face on Mars?"  Just imagine how many pulp trash books were sold just from that single image.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #130 on: March 04, 2014, 07:15:22 AM »
So like i said in my last post you work towards the source of energy.
This means you take a look at the mechanism that creates these electromagnetic waves and what source is responsible for their existence.
By carefully studying this mechanism and by understanding it you then ask yourself the question what else can we do with this or how can we use it to our advantages by for example changing certain parameters and regenerating the effect on a small scale basis to see what results you get.

Once you understand the mechanism and how exactly these waves are formed but most importantly where the energy comes from you can then easily see how short visioned some people actually are in the sense of saying no nothing there mostly without actually even looking at it and making all kind of false pre consumptions and wrong conclusions that show where the real dead end is.

Just ignore these people as they are of no use to us, and keep in mind that there is a lot of energy available, and then try to understand, tweak, re-create, and use the mechanism for your advantage and you will be fine.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #131 on: March 04, 2014, 10:45:42 AM »
Can you do anything practical with this on the bench?
I can get the acoustic effects to influence the resonance of a simple LCR circuit and obtain similar effects to this and this and this.

I was never able to get my acoustic frequency up high enough to observe NAR in a magnet.  You are correct that any inducted spin precession will decay in T1 time specific to the resonating material and field inhomogeneities will cause rapid dephasing (T2).

Is this in any way related to Synchro1's fantasy about resonance and magnets? 
I don't think so, but then I don't really understand what device he is proposing.
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« Reply #132 on: March 04, 2014, 08:41:53 PM »
"Verpies,

The device I am proposing I already built and tested. It charged the run battery looped back to source. It is simply a magnet core solenoid output coil. The stack of core magnets was diametricly polarized neo tubes, connected end to end. The coil was copper wire wrapped bifilar and series conected. A capacitor was connected in sereis with the coil and a Shottky diode. The capacitor and the coil were matched to créate a series resonant LC tank with a resonant frequency of 7.8 hrz. The diametric spinner RPM was in resonance at around 1000. This caused the amplified oscillation witnessed in the satellite magnets in the Jerry Bayle videos. My magnets were stationary inside the coil core, but of course the flux fluttered with the resonant agitation.

Watch the increased oscillation of the satellite magnets in the Bayles video as he decellerates his rotor into the resonant range of 7.8 hrz. I call this A vector potential magnet core coil the Synchro Coil. Conradelectro started building one and was side tracked by Milehigh when he repalced the capacitor with resistors.
 
Baylews demonstrates the increased oscillation of his satillite balancing magnets as he powers down into the resonant range, showing the inverse energy to power ratio. The idea is to capture this increased satellite power with output coils. Notice the 90 degree axial relationship between the diametric disks and the spinning satellite.

Imagine Lidmotors Maggie with a neo sphere in the output coil and a bearing  axeled horizontal diametric neo tube spinner for prime mover. Placing the output coil so the wire faced the spinner would not cause Lenz drag from the prime mover, but the satillite neo sphere flux would be cutting the output coil wraps at 90 degrees spinning the upright sphere on its vertical axis. The idea is to spin at resonat 7.8 hrz or 936 RPM where the satillite oscillation is maximized.

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Re: Acoustic magnetic generator.
« Reply #133 on: March 05, 2014, 04:06:44 AM »
Turbo:

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This means you take a look at the mechanism that creates these electromagnetic waves and what source is responsible for their existence.

You notice I didn't even mention anything about any mechanism that creates electromagnetic waves.  That's called leading yourself down a garden path.

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Once you understand the mechanism and how exactly these waves are formed but most importantly where the energy comes from you can then easily see how short visioned some people actually are in the sense of saying no nothing there mostly without actually even looking at it and making all kind of false pre consumptions and wrong conclusions that show where the real dead end is.

I suggest that you use Google.  I looked this stuff up a few times.  A subset of the EM spectral energy from a lightning bolt discharge will fall into the range of wavelengths where the Schumann cavity will reflect them.  I will take a wild guess that 0.01% of the radiated EM energy in a lightning bolt will get reflected.  Since the Schumann cavity is a lossy reflective cavity, perhaps within a few seconds all of the reflecting energy is lost - the lost energy ends up heating the surface of the Earth and the ionosphere.  The amount of heat added per lighting strike relative to the thermal mass of the Earth and the ionosphere is akin to putting a single drop of water into the Pacific ocean.  There are something like 1000 lighting strikes per second over the entire surface of the Earth.

So you get incoherent "lossy ringing" in the Schumann cavity.  The amount of EM radiation in the air due to the Schumann ringing is insignificant.  It's like trying to see a lit LED on the surface of the Moon.

What is the power source for all of this you ask?  The power source is the Sun.  What powers the Sun?  Fusing hydrogen into helium.

Now, are my guesstimates of the relative scales of things truly accurate?  Probably not that accurate. but accurate enough for the purposes of this discussion.

The skinny:  The sun shines, that causes lighting strikes, and a tiny fraction of EM energy due to the lighting strikes will "ring" in the lossy Schumann cavity that envelopes the Earth.

The EM energy density in the air due to the lossy Schumann ringing is so tiny as to barely be detectable.  When you pulse a coil on your bench, the energy that is reflected back to you might be ten to the power of minus 50 relative to the original source energy.   That is a fantastically small number.  It's so small that you will never ever be able to detect it.

So there is your magical Schumann resonance.  It has ZERO affect on anything in practical daily life.  Scientists have probably done experiments where they transmit a powerful burst of EM energy at the optimum wavelength at the Schumann cavity and then the listen for the echo.  Because they are beaming a large amount of energy and they have very sensitive listening instruments they can "hear" about five or six echos before all of the energy is lost because the Schumann cavity is lossy.

Now for sure I might not be 100% accurate in my overall description - go to Google.  But the essence of what I am saying is true.  When I say that it's nonsense to fantasize about Schumann resonance effects on your bench that's true.

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« Reply #134 on: March 05, 2014, 05:39:47 AM »
Hi Turbo,

Good to see you back here for a bit.

Trying to convince Mile High of anything including the size of his ego is useless.   So it is best to ignore him.

He never listens nor experiments.  A waste of your energy.

Just trying to save you the headache. ..lol

Take care and let's compare notes again soon.

kind regards,

Bruce

 

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