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Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED  (Read 749631 times)

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2190 on: April 15, 2014, 04:31:03 PM »
I think you proved it yourself right here.

And, Who attacks open source - you and the other Trolls

Thanks
Gee I always thought those who did the most harm to open sourc were the liars and frauds, of which you are one, who make false claims, collect money, and never deliver because  they never could.

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2191 on: April 15, 2014, 04:33:32 PM »
I do not tell people what to think, Ok.
Good Day.
I think you are far more concerned with telling them where to sign Mr. Fraud.

Viva!  Las Vegas!

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2192 on: April 15, 2014, 04:37:01 PM »
This is the note the ATTACK TROLLS ARE TRYING TO SPAM OUT OF YOUR MEMORY..

Librea... hit it on the head - whether he knows it or not....Doesn't matter...

To solve any real problem - you must reduce it to its simplest form.....

Two Days left..
Just one note Mr. Fraud?  BTW you may be using the wrong count down clock.
Viva! Las Vegas!

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2193 on: April 15, 2014, 04:45:31 PM »


    I'm just tell in' you that Mark D. thought you could easily dig yourself into a
    hole, which is what you appear to have done!
    If you block things you're not really interested anyway!
    Before you go, just one decent bit of support that your claim is genuine, please.
                  John.

Mark D gives excellent advice.

And if it were not for the non Troll here on this we site - it would be a total waste of my time.

I am letting the Trolls do what they do - that's it.

They Lie constantly for self ego.......they ruin Stefans web site and try t suppress technology.

Mark D - give honest guidance, correction, and guidance.

Trolls..... Are Trolls....

When you help them - as you do.... you do not come across as nice and polite...

Take Care...

Wayne

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2194 on: April 15, 2014, 04:50:17 PM »
BINGO!!!
I watched the move Monster inc with my daughter - and when the Abominable Snow man offer the others yellow snow cones they refused.... and I went.... that is weird why did they refuse the snow cones.......
And then DUHHHH ... Yellow snow cones........ gross...... and I laughed out of turn.....
Now - you have unlocked the secret to free energy in your last sentence----- and when it hits you - or others - you are going to have a wave of OHMY GOSH  Wave over you....
It is a great and refreshing  DUHHHH moment.......

Of course you can not use energy to make more energy .......... "you know" the laws surrounding energy have no loop holes.... right.... Right.
And as long as you turn everything into energy -- you will never see free energy -- right .... Right......................
................DO you remember the mistake that all previous attempts to find free energy in buoyancy led to .... the discovery that Force and energy are not always equivalent measures of each other.....
So you can have force gain - but not Energy gain...... right? The Energy reference does not match.
And with buoyancy - being 33% efficient on the energy side - even if you saw a 100%  force gain in your lift predictions - you still were only 66% efficient....
Sucks hard...... I know I built a 24 foot tall bucket brigade systems before I built a ZED.
Here is where the inspiration hit - mechanical force amplification is everywhere - but how to make it more valuable then the energy reference???
Oh - since you probably did not actually read what I shared two years ago....
Energy Reference Mapping - the key to all building and designing all Free energy machines ---
Works like this - time - distance and mass are accounted for and mapped on a system.
Then you invent ways to alter one without altering the others --- We have five separate ways to do it here in our labs....
In the ZED - the alteration is TIME....... MarkE has worked hard to suppress that fact.
You see... and maybe the puzzle pieces will begin to click together.... to get a 33% efficient system to 100% efficient - you can reduce the time by "three" and your energy reference map is now 100%
THEN - Water column equalization between two columns NETS ENERGY.....
...................
Let it sink in - you may not be able to alter Energy - but you can FORCE....
Now - How many of your brain limiting Energy limiting LAWS were meant to apply to force......
Yeah.... none......
SO--- the maturity that was mocked - about Overunity versus NET Energy.....
Energy creation is the false idea of over unity - wrapped up in the LAW....
Net Energy is force amplification - into energy.....
Thanks

Bingo!

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2195 on: April 15, 2014, 05:02:17 PM »
Now TK -

Can you put your guns away just for two days??

MarkE will not bother to think about my last post - his Vendetta is only about him... and his ego.

You used to be a scientist .... I think the fun you had here has definitely damaged that a bit - but is repairable.

You have two day left, will you think - without assumptions...

Maybe you can replace my "Reference mapping technology" term with a better one -

Again - I loved and give credit due to you for your "Virtual displacement"

Thanks -

Wayne


mondrasek

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2196 on: April 15, 2014, 05:17:23 PM »
That is just brilliant.  So let's perform the tally: 

State 1 is the initial state. And the zero energy reference.
State 1 to State 2 requires 2.0984   mJ energy added
State 2 to State 3 delivers  1.6510   mJ  energy removed to your spillway payload
State 3 to State 1 you have not specified any recovery mechanism
Now you are back at State 1

You have now completed a cycle are now down 0.4474mJ.   Your efficiency is:  78.7%.You still have a fundamentally lossy scheme.

And you are incorrect again MarkE.  There is no need to specify any recovery mechanism for an IDEAL ANALYSIS.  You keep ignoring that fact, but doing so does not make your requirement correct.  We need only be concerned with calculating the ENERGY that enters or leaves the system.  Not how it is captured.  That is only necessary for a PRACTICLE DEVICE, not an IDEAL ANALYSIS.

I could similarly ask you to define a mechanism that makes water incompressible, or friction losses zero.  They are the IDEAL conditions as are required by an Ideal Analysis.

The spillway was never needed to calculate the Energy that is expended during the lift process.  And neither is any other physical recovery device needed to account for Energy leaving or entering the SUT.

The Energy leaving the ZED during the State 3 to State 1 leg of the cycle is real and needs to be properly accounted for.  That Energy value is 0.2022mJ.  The complete cycle loss is correctly calculated as 0.2452mJ and the efficiency is 88.3% for the Ideal SUT.

camelherder49

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2197 on: April 15, 2014, 05:40:59 PM »
Now TK -

Can you put your guns away just for two days??

MarkE will not bother to think about my last post - his Vendetta is only about him... and his ego.



You used to be a scientist .... I think the fun you had here has definitely damaged that a bit - but is repairable.

You have two day left, will you think - without assumptions...

Maybe you can replace my "Reference mapping technology" term with a better one -

Again - I loved and give credit due to you for your "Virtual displacement"

Thanks -

Wayne

Wayne--  Will you be serving up roasted crow in a couple days??

TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2198 on: April 15, 2014, 05:43:44 PM »
Now TK -

Can you put your guns away just for two days??

MarkE will not bother to think about my last post - his Vendetta is only about him... and his ego.

You used to be a scientist .... I think the fun you had here has definitely damaged that a bit - but is repairable.

You have two day left, will you think - without assumptions...

Maybe you can replace my "Reference mapping technology" term with a better one -

Again - I loved and give credit due to you for your "Virtual displacement"

Thanks -

Wayne

Please give a link to any location where I ever used the term "virtual displacement".

I don't need ANY "assumptions" to be able to tell that you have never yet provided credible evidence for your claims, nor have you provided any coherent theoretical explanation of your system.

You can insult me all you like, but the matter remains: This issue is not about me at all, it is about YOU and your false claims.  I could be an old lady in South Africa, scared of my shadow and making up delusional fantasies, or I could be a HopeGirl selling snakeoil in Taiwan and Morocco.... none of that matters in the least. What matters is that YOU, honest Wayne Travis, have made outrageous claims and you cannot support them with FACTS, checkable outside references or even demonstrations of your own. Most particularly.... you are all alone in your argument. Nobody is coming up and saying "Yes, I went to Chickasha and saw Wayne's 5 different systems including the 5HP system running all by themselves, making extra power to run something externally."
Nobody.

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2199 on: April 15, 2014, 06:33:04 PM »
Correct TK.

You were Virtual Water.

Let us all remember that no "proof" that meets the needs of others is "proof" that things must be false,, right TK.

Right you are again, Virtual Water...my mistake.

I have always loved - you don't convince me so you must be a fraud.........
Really...... I don't try to convince anyone ... what good is that - I let them discover - it has more impact.

Thanks

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2200 on: April 15, 2014, 06:34:30 PM »
Wayne--  Will you be serving up roasted crow in a couple days??

I guess that depends on the Vantage point.... :)

I will let you know soon - or write me at home.

Wayne

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2201 on: April 15, 2014, 07:28:21 PM »
Mark D gives excellent advice.

And if it were not for the non Troll here on this we site - it would be a total waste of my time.

I am letting the Trolls do what they do - that's it.

They Lie constantly for self ego.......they ruin Stefans web site and try t suppress technology.

Mark D - give honest guidance, correction, and guidance.

Trolls..... Are Trolls....

When you help them - as you do.... you do not come across as nice and polite...

Take Care...

Wayne
"Troll" That is Wayne Travis speak for anyone who sees through his investment fraud.

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2202 on: April 15, 2014, 07:39:04 PM »
And you are incorrect again MarkE.  There is no need to specify any recovery mechanism for an IDEAL ANALYSIS. 
That is utter and total nonsense.  If one is going to analyze a machine or process then that machine or process must be defined.  Define it as dumping a bunch of the input energy each cycle, then you have defined in that loss.
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You keep ignoring that fact, but doing so does not make your requirement correct.  We need only be concerned with calculating the ENERGY that enters or leaves the system.  Not how it is captured.  That is only necessary for a PRACTICLE DEVICE, not an IDEAL ANALYSIS.
Again that is total nonsense.  You are free to add what you like, but you must add it.
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I could similarly ask you to define a mechanism that makes water incompressible, or friction losses zero.  They are the IDEAL conditions as are required by an Ideal Analysis.
Stipulating efficiency of something you are evaluating the efficiency of is circular reasoning.  If you want to go that route, we can stop before you begin by noting that all passive mechanisms are lossy.  Therefore any ideal machine you define is lossy.  Then we can just call it a day.
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The spillway was never needed to calculate the Energy that is expended during the lift process.  And neither is any other physical recovery device needed to account for Energy leaving or entering the SUT.
Oh, but it was, because as shown, it cannot deliver all the energy expended.  That was a specific point you contended as I recall.
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The Energy leaving the ZED during the State 3 to State 1 leg of the cycle is real and needs to be properly accounted for.  That Energy value is 0.2022mJ.  The complete cycle loss is correctly calculated as 0.2452mJ and the efficiency is 88.3% for the Ideal SUT.
No, you are wrong again.  I suggest you write out the energy balance because your cycle efficiency number does not correspond to either case:  Dumping the water without energy recovery in the ST3 => ST1 transition, or dumping the water with a high degree of energy recovery in that transition for a ST1 => ST2 => ST3 => ST1 cycle.

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2203 on: April 15, 2014, 07:39:51 PM »
Wayne--  Will you be serving up roasted crow in a couple days??
Persons who do not understand that gravity is conservative can always hope.

mondrasek

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2204 on: April 15, 2014, 08:47:22 PM »
I suggest you write out the energy balance because your cycle efficiency number does not correspond to either case:  Dumping the water without energy recovery in the ST3 => ST1 transition, or dumping the water with a high degree of energy recovery in that transition for a ST1 => ST2 => ST3 => ST1 cycle.

ST1 => ST2 2.0984mJ of Energy enters the system.  Please note that the Energy is added by a non-specified input mechanism.

ST2 => ST3 1.6510mJ of Energy (maximum) exits the system during the lift.

ST3 => ST1 0.2022mJ of Energy exits the system during this reset phase.  Please note that this Energy could be recovered by a non-specified collection mechanism.

Energy Out/Energy In = (1.6510mJ + 0.2022mJ)/2.0984 = 88.3%.