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Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED  (Read 436144 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #420 on: March 04, 2014, 07:46:36 AM »
Geeze Mags, lighten up a bit over there.  Wayne has asked folks for money for a device that does not work, can't work, will not work, he can't prove it works...etc.

Do YOU not see anything wrong with this?  If you don't, I don't know what to tell you.

Bill

"Wayne has asked folks for money for a device that does not work, can't work, will not work, he can't prove it works...etc."

You have built it? And you have shown it does not work??? Has Mark? Has MH?  Bah, he never builds anything yet knows it all in 10 sec of looking at it, right? Well, I dont follow the 10 sec diagnosis bullony.  Just the mention of OU and the 'no it isnt' comes without the 'work' to prove it. Thats so easy. I wish I had that job. Boring but probably pays ok. ;)

You guys can talk all you want. But you never prove that it doesnt work, just state whats in the books, all in a tight little box.


So what if Wayne has an investor. As long as its not you or your Mom, what do you care? People get investments all the time.  Sure some people get ripped off. But man you better be able to back up your statements of lies, thievery, ponzi, criminality. Wayne is not making the argument, you are. He is giving only what he said he would give, and the 2 people that are interested are being persecuted for doing what they want to do, and you have a problem with that??? So put up your numbers and show your non working device, then I will listen.  Meanwhile, why cant these 3 guys hang out and discuss what they want in peace??? No?? They must pay for their deeds!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Mags


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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #420 on: March 04, 2014, 07:46:36 AM »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #421 on: March 04, 2014, 07:52:35 AM »
??? I dont recall Mr W asking for investments here. Is that what he is doing? If so, I must have missed it.

Mags

He is "fully funded". Money from new investors has been used to buy out or service interest obligations of older original investors. Check the WIKI for what that system is called.

Bu you might well ask yourself what he IS doing here, since we are an insignificant internet forum and every second he spends here is a second that he is not spending saving the World from the Tyranny of Big Oil. Personally I think he is trying to build credibility and interest, just like in the old locked thread, and when he sees that he cannot meet the challenges from people here.... he will again ask Stefan to lock the thread, or perhaps he'll just go away. Mad. After all, when you have a self-running machine, even a "5 hp net" one.... people will find out and will come and take a look. People like DIA, CIA, Mossad, NKVD, you name it. Free energy from a device that can run itself has immediate and game-changing military applications, as I have pointed out before. The mere fact that Travis is posting his nonsense here and can't wait to get back on after his dinner, is very strong evidence that nobody, really, is interested in him except some people he's charmed the pants off...er, I mean charmed the wallets out of. They are paying for his "expectations" and his projected milestone dates, with the hope that Wayne will _someday_ be able to translate his fantasy into reality. This milestone day will never come. It will be next month, next week or even tomorrow... but tomorrow something else will prevent the current prototype from continuing to "run" once the Flow Assist stops being put in from outside.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #422 on: March 04, 2014, 07:57:14 AM »
Do you suffer under the delusion that Wayne believes what he claims?  Do you think that in six years he has not been exposed to professional evaluation of his false claims?  Do you think that he has ever demonstrated to himself or anyone else what he has claimed to have for years?

This thread was set up by Mondrasek to analyze his problem as he set it up.  So far it appears that I am the only one who has done that.

I suffer having to hop over your endless bickering posts to read real subject matter of what the thread is actually about.


"Do you think that in six years he has not been exposed to professional evaluation of his false claims?"

Show me proof of your statement..  You act like you are telling a truth here. Show me the paperwork on that Mark. Proof.  You cant.   What does that make you??? A guesser? ;)

Mags

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #422 on: March 04, 2014, 07:57:14 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #423 on: March 04, 2014, 08:02:09 AM »
One other person went on a mad rampage like this last time he couldn't control the conversation, I was told that you and he were the same person.

MH backed up the other guy as well - the whole time....

I am now convinced you are one and the same. - if not - no distinction.

You have earned block.

Good bye.

That little bit of paranoia and denial of reality earns a ROFL for sure.

Don't worry, MarkE, Travis's "Block" is transparent. I'm on his "block" list too. He will always peek around the block and he will always never answer the direct question that Minnie has so politely asked.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #424 on: March 04, 2014, 08:02:51 AM »
"Wayne has asked folks for money for a device that does not work, can't work, will not work, he can't prove it works...etc."

You have built it? And you have shown it does not work??? Has Mark? Has MH?  Bah, he never builds anything yet knows it all in 10 sec of looking at it, right? Well, I dont follow the 10 sec diagnosis bullony.  Just the mention of OU and the 'no it isnt' comes without the 'work' to prove it. Thats so easy. I wish I had that job. Boring but probably pays ok. ;)
When each of the constituent elements of a process is underunity, the entire process is underunity.  The Wayne Travis approved Mondrasek "ideal ZED" is quite lossy. 
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You guys can talk all you want. But you never prove that it doesnt work, just state whats in the books, all in a tight little box.
Please tell me that you aren't going to argue from ignorance.
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So what if Wayne has an investor. As long as its not you or your Mom, what do you care? People get investments all the time.  Sure some people get ripped off. But man you better be able to back up your statements of lies, thievery, ponzi, criminality.
I refer you to the Acts 1933 and 1934 for the required standard.  As to the science, see the analysis.
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 Wayne is not making the argument, you are. He is giving only what he said he would give, and the 2 people that are interested are being persecuted for doing what they want to do, and you have a problem with that??? So put up your numbers and show your non working device, then I will listen.
I have put up my numbers.  Where are yours?
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  Meanwhile, why cant these 3 guys hang out and discuss what they want in peace??? No?? They must pay for their deeds!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Mondrasek invited the analysis.  When I provided a sufficient one he objected and "insisted" on more, despite that the physics for the additional step was already established.  Even so, I provided that as well.  What have you provided?
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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #424 on: March 04, 2014, 08:02:51 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #425 on: March 04, 2014, 08:09:27 AM »
He is "fully funded". Money from new investors has been used to buy out or service interest obligations of older original investors. Check the WIKI for what that system is called.

Bu you might well ask yourself what he IS doing here, since we are an insignificant internet forum and every second he spends here is a second that he is not spending saving the World from the Tyranny of Big Oil. Personally I think he is trying to build credibility and interest, just like in the old locked thread, and when he sees that he cannot meet the challenges from people here.... he will again ask Stefan to lock the thread, or perhaps he'll just go away. Mad. After all, when you have a self-running machine, even a "5 hp net" one.... people will find out and will come and take a look. People like DIA, CIA, Mossad, NKVD, you name it. Free energy from a device that can run itself has immediate and game-changing military applications, as I have pointed out before. The mere fact that Travis is posting his nonsense here and can't wait to get back on after his dinner, is very strong evidence that nobody, really, is interested in him except some people he's charmed the pants off...er, I mean charmed the wallets out of. They are paying for his "expectations" and his projected milestone dates, with the hope that Wayne will _someday_ be able to translate his fantasy into reality. This milestone day will never come. It will be next month, next week or even tomorrow... but tomorrow something else will prevent the current prototype from continuing to "run" once the Flow Assist stops being put in from outside.

Hey T

"Personally I think he is trying to build credibility and interest,"

But thats is only your opinion. Cmon T.  You have stated your ground on this many times. Why beat it into a pulp?  Cant we let them do their thing, at no cost to them(or you, except by your choice) except that they have interest in doing so, even beyond all the speculatory bashing?  Its not like they are being deterred by it all. So why all the constant pressure?? 

Its not like Wayne is Rose talking about your pickle or calling you Brian Little and all that jazz. lol 

Mags

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #426 on: March 04, 2014, 08:10:00 AM »
@Magluvin: 

Please take a careful look at the attached PowerPoint presentation. Be sure to check the "properties" so you can see who made it and when it was made.

Pay particular attention to little things like Slide 26. This PowerPoint was presented to a group of prospective investors that Travis was courting. As far as I can tell, NONE of them bought in at that time. I could be wrong but that is how I remember it. I'm sure Wayne ol boy will be happy to correct me about that if I am wrong and someone actually _did_ invest based on the info in the PowerPoint.

Yet they had the full faith and charm of Travis himself, the demonstration models, all the rest of it to look at. And now... to this day.... even though he is fully funded.... there is no self running 50 kW Zed plant at the Trinity Baptist Church.

Now ask yourself "why not?"

I know why not, and you do too.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #426 on: March 04, 2014, 08:10:00 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #427 on: March 04, 2014, 08:14:01 AM »
I suffer having to hop over your endless bickering posts to read real subject matter of what the thread is actually about.


"Do you think that in six years he has not been exposed to professional evaluation of his false claims?"

Show me proof of your statement..  You act like you are telling a truth here. Show me the paperwork on that Mark. Proof.  You cant.   What does that make you??? A guesser? ;)

Mags
This is the second time that you have falsely accused me of being unable to back up my statements.  What does that make you other than wrong?

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #428 on: March 04, 2014, 08:15:29 AM »
That little bit of paranoia and denial of reality earns a ROFL for sure.

Don't worry, MarkE, Travis's "Block" is transparent. I'm on his "block" list too. He will always peek around the block and he will always never answer the direct question that Minnie has so politely asked.
He has no facts on his side, so what else can he do than resort to theatrics?

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #428 on: March 04, 2014, 08:15:29 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #429 on: March 04, 2014, 08:19:43 AM »
Alright, I gota get some sleep. What did we blow away, 2, 3 pages?? 

Mags

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #430 on: March 04, 2014, 08:31:24 AM »
Alright, I gota get some sleep. What did we blow away, 2, 3 pages?? 

Mags
It's hard to say.  But if you ever want to get back to the topic of the thread, I am happy to discuss the analysis.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #430 on: March 04, 2014, 08:31:24 AM »
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Offline minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #431 on: March 04, 2014, 09:26:38 AM »



 Hi,
    my analysis says that you get out exactly what you put in if you don't
  have any losses. The word "equation" should give you a clue!
                                         John.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #432 on: March 04, 2014, 10:46:10 AM »


 Hi,
    my analysis says that you get out exactly what you put in if you don't
  have any losses. The word "equation" should give you a clue!
                                         John.
All equations are equal.  Some are more equal than others.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #433 on: March 04, 2014, 02:27:43 PM »
Mark, thanks for pointing out the contradictions in Wayne's claims.  It's almost sad that Wayne can get away with that verbage where he claims that he is "explaining" how his system allegedly works and almost nobody complains.  He doesn't get away with it completely though, some people can recognize it for the nonsense that it is.

I am certainly not you, that's for sure, I am my own person.  Nor am I being paid by anybody, that's ridiculous.

I make a thought experiment.  I think of some well-meaning couple that may have sunk their life's savings into Wayne's fake proposition.  Chances are they will never see that money again.  It may take away the funds that they wanted to use to finance their son's or daughter's college education and now that dream is lost.  It's lost because they fell hook, line, and sinker for Wayne's nonsense.  Their children get hurt because of this, and the confidence artist does not care.  I care.

Even though it's all purely a hypothetical, nothing more than a thought experiment, these things really do happen in real life.  It makes me mad.

Standing up to Wayne and others of his ilk in this thread or elsewhere can make a difference.  Let's assume that there are anonymous lurkers that read threads like this.  Reading here gives them valuable information that they might otherwise not get.  It's takes them out of their investment fantasy delusions and prevents them from handing their life savings over to some con artist.  That's worth a "battle" every now and then, and note that both parties contribute equally to the "battle."

MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #434 on: March 04, 2014, 02:52:21 PM »

 :o    seven pages in less than 24 hours.  :o

 

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