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MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #390 on: March 04, 2014, 04:47:50 AM »
??? I dont recall Mr W asking for investments here. Is that what he is doing? If so, I must have missed it.

Mags
In fact Wayne Travis has insisted here that he is fully funded and is not seeking additional investments.  That's good news for HER/Zydro, because if he were courting a new investor, one look at his behavior here would likely be very repellant.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #391 on: March 04, 2014, 05:17:05 AM »
Hey Bill

Well, 'fossil fuels' is the term used in society. Until they change that, I think we all know what it means. ;) Not sure its something to make a fuss about. ;D

Mags

Mags:

Exactly correct.  It is a term used (incorrectly) in society and we, can change that using facts.  It is the global warming crowd that uses this term (your word "They") and ignorance can only be changed through education.  I cringe every time I hear this term and, I will bet that Wayne does not know the reality behind it.

Bill

mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #392 on: March 04, 2014, 05:34:57 AM »

Ummm.... fossil fuels do not exist, and never have existed.  This misnomer was disproved many, many years ago when I was a geology major in college.  Oil does not come from decomposing dinosaurs.  It is a natural by product of the chemistry inside the earth's core and is not a "finite" resource.  If you are not up to speed on this, then I question everything else that you are claiming.  Of course, after watching your first videos and after mark Dansie's visit, I was already questioning your unsubstantiated claims.  Now it seems that the math is not on your side.  Nor is general laws of physics.  Now may be a good time to get into another racket.

Bill

I used it as a blanket term - intended to mean - power that included emissions.

Thanks for the correction

Wayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #393 on: March 04, 2014, 05:42:39 AM »
??? I dont recall Mr W asking for investments here. Is that what he is doing? If so, I must have missed it.

Mags

I was originally invited to share our discovery.

Several members assumed - I must be this or that...

That's all there is to any of that.

I took time from my work to return because several men who built systems and tested our claims - asked to give O/U.com one more chance.

If I must have a motive other than respecting hard work and Due diligence - it is to let other inventors know - the oppression that a few here on this web site pour out daily - has no real value.

Keep researching, keep discovering, keep asking the questions.

That is what leads to the advancement of real discovery.

Wayne



Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #394 on: March 04, 2014, 05:43:39 AM »
Mags:

Exactly correct.  It is a term used (incorrectly) in society and we, can change that using facts.  It is the global warming crowd that uses this term (your word "They") and ignorance can only be changed through education.  I cringe every time I hear this term and, I will bet that Wayne does not know the reality behind it.

Bill

Hey Bill

Even though oil is renewable, it is a problem in many ways. Not many talk about the gulf BP spill much anymore, but the HUGE issues of it are far from gone. Also, look up how harmful diesel fumes are. Seriously bad. 
But for now, it is what we use most. Sad.  Dont even get me started on Nuclear..   ;)

I just didnt quite understand your argument with his statement. Like most people here advocate ridding the use of oil for hopeful alternatives. Its this why 'most' of us are here?  ;)

Like TKs Ponzi link. If Wayne has an investor, and isnt asking for more, then where is the ponzi scheme?   ;) Has there been complaints from his investors presented here? ::)

Just seems like drawing a random card from the bowl to throw the next insult.

Mags

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #395 on: March 04, 2014, 05:53:28 AM »

Ummm.... fossil fuels do not exist, and never have existed.  This misnomer was disproved many, many years ago when I was a geology major in college.  Oil does not come from decomposing dinosaurs.  It is a natural by product of the chemistry inside the earth's core and is not a "finite" resource.  If you are not up to speed on this, then I question everything else that you are claiming.  Of course, after watching your first videos and after mark Dansie's visit, I was already questioning your unsubstantiated claims.  Now it seems that the math is not on your side.  Nor is general laws of physics.  Now may be a good time to get into another racket.

Bill

Hello Pirate,

Don't fall for the "Math is not on our side claim" -

Mark E never presented our process - only a static evaluation and conclusions.

Larry has presented a mathematical representation of our whole process, he showed how one layer is less than 70% effecient - and that three layers in a dual recycling system - as designed to operate - provides Net energy.

He also provide the basis to understand that Buoyancy - in standard utilization is very inefficient.... but when layered - can rival a hydraulic cylinder action - and retain the Pv - which can be reused.

MarkE earned my thanks when he helped recognize and correct errors - awesome.

MarkE did not disprove our operation or system - only says he has.

I detailed the process - there is no excuse for the misleading - it has been common.

Thanks

Wayne
   

Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #396 on: March 04, 2014, 06:11:56 AM »
I was originally invited to share our discovery.

Several members assumed - I must be this or that...

That's all there is to any of that.

I took time from my work to return because several men who built systems and tested our claims - asked to give O/U.com one more chance.

If I must have a motive other than respecting hard work and Due diligence - it is to let other inventors know - the oppression that a few here on this web site poor out daily - has no real value.

Keep researching, keep discovering, keep asking the questions.

That is what leads to the advancement of real discovery.

Wayne

Hey Wayne

Long time since we chatted last.

My post was a bit of sarcasm. ;)   I KNOW that you have not asked for any investments from anyone here. ;) I was just fishing for some clear reasons for the comments.

Webby and Larry and who ever else is doing work on this, its too bad there is more negative posts than they care to be bothered with. I would be very frustrated. Its not like they asked for help from these guys. I guess it just the way things are today. People dont like people doing their own thing and need to occupy their time with page after page of argument. No wonder nothing gets done around here. ::) ;)

I guess Mark was exclaiming that why give away the idea if there is an investor. Wouldnt the investor disapprove?  I cant answer that for him.

Anyway, hope things work out for the builders. its not a simple task.

Mags


MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #397 on: March 04, 2014, 06:15:06 AM »
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."  - Edmund Burke

Those are very wise words that everyone should seriously contemplate.

Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #398 on: March 04, 2014, 06:23:18 AM »
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."  - Edmund Burke

Those are very wise words that everyone should seriously contemplate.

 ::)

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #399 on: March 04, 2014, 06:27:58 AM »
I was originally invited to share our discovery.

Several members assumed - I must be this or that...

That's all there is to any of that.

I took time from my work to return because several men who built systems and tested our claims - asked to give O/U.com one more chance.

If I must have a motive other than respecting hard work and Due diligence - it is to let other inventors know - the oppression that a few here on this web site pour out daily - has no real value.

Keep researching, keep discovering, keep asking the questions.

That is what leads to the advancement of real discovery.

Wayne
That's funny because you have no discovery.  You make claims to discoveries that do not exist.  You have not discovered a means to extract free energy by cyclically lifting and dropping weights.  Yet, you continue to insist that you do.  You have not discovered a way to make gravity behave non-conservatively.  Yet, you continue to insist that you do.  You have not discovered a "mechanical energy amplifying system".  Neither do have any means to produce "supply endless and abundant clean Energy".  Those are just blatant lies you tell in search of a buck.  Does Jesus approve of such behavior?

MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #400 on: March 04, 2014, 06:32:01 AM »
Hello Pirate,

Don't fall for the "Math is not on our side claim" -

Mark E never presented our process - only a static evaluation and conclusions.

Larry has presented a mathematical representation of our whole process, he showed how one layer is less than 70% effecient - and that three layers in a dual recycling system - as designed to operate - provides Net energy.

He also provide the basis to understand that Buoyancy - in standard utilization is very inefficient.... but when layered - can rival a hydraulic cylinder action - and retain the Pv - which can be reused.

MarkE earned my thanks when he helped recognize and correct errors - awesome.

MarkE did not disprove our operation or system - only says he has.

I detailed the process - there is no excuse for the misleading - it has been common.

Thanks

Wayne
 
Wayne Travis math and physics are not on your side.  A series of lossy processes only results in greater loss.  You have yet to identify that non-existent process that makes up for all the losses in your inane contraption and yields the net over unity result.  It's rather obvious why you don't identify it:  No such process exists.

Yes, there is no reason for you to continue in your attempts to mislead people.  Yet you continue to do that.  Why is that Wayne?

Magluvin

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #401 on: March 04, 2014, 06:35:16 AM »
That's funny because you have no discovery.  You make claims to discoveries that do not exist.  You have not discovered a means to extract free energy by cyclically lifting and dropping weights.  Yet, you continue to insist that you do.  You have not discovered a way to make gravity behave non-conservatively.  Yet, you continue to insist that you do.  You have not discovered a "mechanical energy amplifying system".  Neither do have any means to produce "supply endless and abundant clean Energy".  Those are just blatant lies you tell in search of a buck.  Does Jesus approve of such behavior?

Again, saying he is asking for a buck.   ???    Please show me where he is asking anyone here for money!!!   You cannot.  So you are the liar.  ;)

Mags

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #402 on: March 04, 2014, 06:36:00 AM »
Hey Wayne

Long time since we chatted last.

My post was a bit of sarcasm. ;)   I KNOW that you have not asked for any investments from anyone here. ;) I was just fishing for some clear reasons for the comments.

Webby and Larry and who ever else is doing work on this, its too bad there is more negative posts than they care to be bothered with. I would be very frustrated. Its not like they asked for help from these guys. I guess it just the way things are today. People dont like people doing their own thing and need to occupy their time with page after page of argument. No wonder nothing gets done around here. ::) ;)

I guess Mark was exclaiming that why give away the idea if there is an investor. Wouldnt the investor disapprove?  I cant answer that for him.

Anyway, hope things work out for the builders. its not a simple task.

Mags


Thanks, Mags,


So insightful, statements like yours help me to deal with the ignorance of those with less system comprehension ability.


Larry




MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #403 on: March 04, 2014, 06:40:22 AM »

Thanks, Mags,


So insightful, statements like yours help me to deal with the ignorance of those with less system comprehension ability.


Larry
Have you built any working perpetual motion machines lately?  I didn't think so.

MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #404 on: March 04, 2014, 06:46:57 AM »
Exactly.  Let's see a brazen person that's contributing to this thread post a clip of their own working over unity hydraulic bucket brigade unto itself.