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Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED  (Read 403597 times)

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #375 on: March 04, 2014, 02:40:46 AM »
Yes, all you do is wave those oh so perty hands of yours.  Don't wave them too much or Bubba may get overly excited.

MarkE,

Slander is the tool of those that can not think for them self, don't give up.

Wayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #375 on: March 04, 2014, 02:40:46 AM »

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #376 on: March 04, 2014, 02:41:50 AM »
How will you repent when you realize you were on the wrong side of truth...

You have wronged me, injusted me, slandered me, and acted the complete fodder spreader.

And many people have taken the time to realize I am telling the truth - and you have not.

Good day
The liar speaks with feigned indignation.  Wayne Travis your technology claims are lies.  Cyclically lifting and dropping weights does not yield net energy, period.  Your claims that such activity yields free energy is a lie.  Your pitch that giving you money to "develop" your nonexistent technology does nothing but cheat those who don't recognize your lies for what they are.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #377 on: March 04, 2014, 02:42:39 AM »
MarkE,

Slander is the tool of those that can not think for them self, don't give up.

Wayne
The kettle speaks of the pot's color.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #377 on: March 04, 2014, 02:42:39 AM »
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #378 on: March 04, 2014, 02:44:43 AM »
Tell me again in simple, easy to understand terms just what it is you claim to be warning me about.  Kindly state the specific consequences and by what means they will come about.

Just simple "embarrassment" as I said before.

You can change your log in - but you will always know.

That's all.

Wayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #379 on: March 04, 2014, 02:45:52 AM »
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How will you repent when you realize you were on the wrong side of truth...

You have wronged me, injusted me, slandered me, and acted the complete fodder spreader.

And many people have taken the time to realize I am telling the truth - and you have not.

Good day

The sinister minister preaches as he circles the drain.

It will be a good day when you get busted and it's picked up by the mainstream media and you become the center of a media storm.  One can hope.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #379 on: March 04, 2014, 02:45:52 AM »
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #380 on: March 04, 2014, 02:48:26 AM »
The liar speaks with feigned indignation.  Wayne Travis your technology claims are lies.  Cyclically lifting and dropping weights does not yield net energy, period.  Your claims that such activity yields free energy is a lie.  Your pitch that giving you money to "develop" your nonexistent technology does nothing but cheat those who don't recognize your lies for what they are.

Once again - if thats all you see - you missed it.

I spelled it out for you - maybe you think you are making points - but you have wasted two days of my time..

Count that as your victory... you can have it.

good night.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #381 on: March 04, 2014, 03:17:18 AM »
Just simple "embarrassment" as I said before.

You can change your log in - but you will always know.

That's all.

Wayne
You may one day be changing your outerwear for the color orange.  Whether you do or not, we already know what you are and who you are.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #381 on: March 04, 2014, 03:17:18 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #382 on: March 04, 2014, 03:18:59 AM »
Once again - if thats all you see - you missed it.

I spelled it out for you - maybe you think you are making points - but you have wasted two days of my time..

Count that as your victory... you can have it.

good night.
Once again the liar who said he was done her a month ago speaks again.  You have done more than you can imagine.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #383 on: March 04, 2014, 03:23:11 AM »
That is a false assumption.
It is Mondrasek's stipulation.  It doesn't matter if it is false or not.  It is his required hypothetical starting point.  The results follow from that requirement.  If you want to set-up a somewhat similar problem with different stipulations, you are free to do so.
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Your spreadsheet shows head differences between the inside and outside water columns for the risers and the pod.  This difference in height represents a positive force of buoyancy, your own work is showing that, and that is for all 3 risers and the pod.

Since that force is there by your own work then the analysis is not complete and the risers and pod must move further to bring those forces back to a net zero.

If I had presented this to you, you would be saying the same thing.  You would point out that all I allowed for was the volume change and that I have not accounted for all of the forces within the system.

Your own spreadsheet shows an increase in stored energy within the water,

3.412mj state 1
3.963mj end of state 3
You're not paying very good attention Webby.  In going from State 1 to State 3 we added 2.441cc of water and paid 2.011mJ to do so.  There would be a real problem if at the end of State 3 we had less energy than in State 1.  But since we don't there is no problem.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #383 on: March 04, 2014, 03:23:11 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #384 on: March 04, 2014, 03:35:11 AM »
Show me your contributions to freedom from fossil fuels.

Thanks
Why? This thread is not about me, and I have made no claims within it, other than that you do not have what you said you have, years ago now.

And it would be trivial for you to put me in my place, if you did have it. All you would have to do is to show it. But you can't, and we both know why.

You do not have an actual, physical "self running machine" that requires no input, has no exhaust and produces excess energy over and above that Zero figure you claim it takes to run it.  You most especially cannot construct one that has 50 kW "net" output, with no input, that runs along happily and quietly so as not to disturb the choir practice over at TBC.... no matter how much money someone might be going to give you.

Again, it would be trivially simple to prove me wrong. Just show the tabletop selfrunning water pump. It doesn't even have to make any useful output, I will be happy to eat my  Heron's Fountain...er, chocolate Stetson based on seeing that. But it really should run longer than my self-running Heron's Fountain, to be fair, don't you think? So let's say four hours. Many of us have watched less interesting four hour live demonstrations on YouTube and Google Hangout. Set up your transparent selfpowered selfrunning tabletop waterpump and put a webcam on it, and let it drip....er, rip. 

But you and I both know that you won't be doing this, and we both know exactly why not.

By the way, did you happen to read, on the first page of this website, the "Welcome" banner? Here's what it says:
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Now, just what part of "Open Source" is unclear to you?
 


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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #385 on: March 04, 2014, 04:22:15 AM »
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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #386 on: March 04, 2014, 04:30:15 AM »
Show me your contributions to freedom from fossil fuels.

Thanks


Ummm.... fossil fuels do not exist, and never have existed.  This misnomer was disproved many, many years ago when I was a geology major in college.  Oil does not come from decomposing dinosaurs.  It is a natural by product of the chemistry inside the earth's core and is not a "finite" resource.  If you are not up to speed on this, then I question everything else that you are claiming.  Of course, after watching your first videos and after mark Dansie's visit, I was already questioning your unsubstantiated claims.  Now it seems that the math is not on your side.  Nor is general laws of physics.  Now may be a good time to get into another racket.

Bill

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #387 on: March 04, 2014, 04:32:07 AM »
Item of interest:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/03/christian-lawmakers-fall-for-ponzi-schemer-who-said-hed-found-noahs-ark/

 ??? I dont recall Mr W asking for investments here. Is that what he is doing? If so, I must have missed it.

Mags

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #388 on: March 04, 2014, 04:41:49 AM »

Ummm.... fossil fuels do not exist, and never have existed.  This misnomer was disproved many, many years ago when I was a geology major in college.  Oil does not come from decomposing dinosaurs.  It is a natural by product of the chemistry inside the earth's core and is not a "finite" resource.  If you are not up to speed on this, then I question everything else that you are claiming.  Of course, after watching your first videos and after mark Dansie's visit, I was already questioning your unsubstantiated claims.  Now it seems that the math is not on your side.  Nor is general laws of physics.  Now may be a good time to get into another racket.

Bill

Hey Bill

Well, 'fossil fuels' is the term used in society. Until they change that, I think we all know what it means. ;) Not sure its something to make a fuss about. ;D

Mags

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #389 on: March 04, 2014, 04:45:36 AM »
There is no problem with the starting point being a net zero, no lift, no sink no nothing.
If you accept that stipulation then State 3 as shown follows.  So choose to accept the stipulation or reject it for say the fact that it still displaces a fluid with a higher density than the displacing volume.  In the latter case you have changed the problem definition and a different outcome will result.
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It is your ending point that is a problem, there is lift left within the system and this means that it is not back to a net zero that it started from, in respect to the forces acting on the risers and pod.
No there is no problem with the end point.  It conforms to the physics from the state starting point.  All of the energy in and out, and lost is properly accounted for, as is the change in position of each of the constituent materials.  You are of course free to perform your own work up and show your work as I have shown mine.
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Please explain how you can do an energy analysis where you do not have a full cycle, from a starting condition back to that very same condition, that would be no forces acting on the risers and pod that are not balanced and zero if that starting point was a balanced and zero condition.
Since we have the states, we can go between them all day long.  Which states would you like to define as a cycle?  A S2 => S3 => S2 cycle does no work but requires 1.5mJ external work each cycle.  An S1 => S2 => S3 => S2 => S1 cycle suffers the same loss per cycle.
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You MUST let the risers and pod move a further distance to balance those existing forces back to zero.  You will find that AR7 goes below AR6 and then that negative buoyancy will counter the positive buoyancy from the other 2 risers and pod. 
You remain very, very confused.  Under the stipulation that Mondrasek set, the net up force is zero in State 3.  You must reject Mondrasek's stipulation of State 1 to reach a different set of conditions for State 3.  And here's the spoiler alert again:  That results in lost energy too.  Why?  Because the inane, insipidly stupid scheme causes there to be variable dense fluid column heights.  Get rid of the "air" and the whole buoyancy stupidity and the scheme gets much more efficient.  But then it would not be a ZED anymore, would it?  The best performing ZED is no ZED at all.
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In YOUR spreadsheet there is still a buoyant force in place that has NO counter force to stop it, hence your analysis is not complete.
Kindly point to the cell where you find that.
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If I have a cup sitting in water where the water level inside the cup is 19mm below the outside water level what is it, a sink or a float, which way will it move with nothing to stop it from moving.  All of the risers and the pod have an outside water level above the inside level, well the pod is sealed so that is just water up the outside of a weightless item,, which way will they move if there is nothing holding them still.
By your observation you must then object to the Wayne Travis approved State 1 stipulation by Mondrasek.  Again:  Choose a different set of starting stipulations and get a different result.
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This is the condition you have left your setup in, with nothing to stop things from moving they will move.
Again, you are free to create your own model following the stated stipulations and see where you get.
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Either let the risers and pod move a further distance or show what is stopping them from doing so.
I have explained it many times to you.  If you accept the State 1 stipulation then the system is stable with no unbalanced force in State 3 as shown.  If you reject the State 1 stipulation then we can work the problem to yield a result that you may find more satisfying.  But that will not be the Wayne Travis approved "ideal ZED".

 

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