I am calculating energy for all four parts, you need to learn to use the Trace Dependents and Trace Precedents button. The 35 in J8 is not used anywhere, it is a visual double check for me to make sure I set the newly added Inner and Outer riser water ht correctly so they equal the original riser heads in column C. The Inner and Outer riser water ht is used in the store energy calculation.


Never said pressure is a measure of work or power.  You would have known, I was talking about the multiple connected columns is the basis for the Zed design as I have stated many time. The PSI is used in the Risers the same as in a pneumatic cylinder and does create Work during the stroke. Getting the PSI up and down with less input volume is key to increased Power.
In the spreadsheet the volume input to get to Ready to Stroke is 22 for the Zed and 81.02 for the Archimedes and the Output Ft Lbs is 33.55% greater for the Zed. Based on the fact that it would take much longer for a pump to ready the Archimedes than for the Zed, the Zed will cycle faster. Cycle faster increases Work done over time or Power.


Misleading statements caused Librenergia to take it out context and put his big foot in his mouth, when I know just as much about work and power as most of you and apparently with better comprehension, since most of you cannot understand how the Zed works.
 

Larry, good if you know about energy and power, then kindly correct your spreadsheets once and for all so that they evaluate energy as the integral of F*ds.  Stop using averaged pressure between multiple columns and other methods that you must know from your declaration of your personal expertise are wrong.  Kindly stop uttering physically meaningless statements such as:

Getting the PSI up and down with less input volume is key to increased Power.

If you understand energy then you know that there isn't any stored in an incompressible fluid.  You should also know that pressure and volume are meaningful with respect to energy only under special conditions.  You should also know that power is not a measure of energy.  You should know that energy is the integral of F*ds.  So since based on your claimed expertise you know better, please cut the BS. 

Larry, good if you know about energy and power, then kindly correct your spreadsheets once and for all so that they evaluate energy as the integral of F*ds.  Stop using averaged pressure between multiple columns and other methods that you must know from your declaration of your personal expertise are wrong.  Kindly stop uttering physically meaningless statements such as:

If you understand energy then you know that there isn't any stored in an incompressible fluid.  You should also know that pressure and volume are meaningful with respect to energy only under special conditions.  You should also know that power is not a measure of energy.  You should know that energy is the integral of F*ds.  So since based on your claimed expertise you know better, please cut the BS.

MarkE,


Testy, I gave you your Stored Energy calculations, the other calculation are for working field engineers so they won't be removed.


I knew when the Stored Energy calculations didn't help you explain the 33.55% increase, you would have to find some other excuse not to admit the Zeds excess output, which is BTW calculated as Force * Stroke. 


So thanks for your time, you have helped in a lot of ways. As a business, we are trying to increase Horsepower in the Zed and you may have inadvertently helped.


Larry

MarkE,


Testy, I gave you your Stored Energy calculations, the other calculation are for working field engineers so they won't be removed.


I knew when the Stored Energy calculations didn't help you explain the 33.55% increase, you would have to find some other excuse not to admit the Zeds excess output, which is BTW calculated as Force * Stroke. 


So thanks for your time, you have helped in a lot of ways. As a business, we are trying to increase Horsepower in the Zed and you may have inadvertently helped.


Larry

Bingo. Now we know. You are a paid minion of Wayne Travis, you are not an impartial observer who is only interested in the truth.

And POWER IS NOT ENERGY.  You want more horsepower? Then just move your magic Zeds further apart. Or closer together, or make them a thousand feet tall, I don't care. You will never be able to make what Travis has claimed to _have already_: a device that will run itself with no input but with usable energy left over that can be used outside the system, without making the system lurch to a groaning halt more or less quickly. Feel free to prove me wrong by showing the "three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself." Or show the 5hp system that is running itself. Or show the _actual design_ of the 50 kW system that Travis claimed he could build and install in three months time after receiving the funding.

Of course we know that LarryC is ignoring my posts, and now we know just why.

TK:

If you recall in the previous thread Wayne always talked about an excess of a certain number of fluid ounces of water at a certain pressure as a "gain."  Actually that may predate your joining of the old thread.  As MarkE recently commented, pressurized water itself stores no energy.

I think we are literally seeing an "Attack" of the Zombie Pod People.  Minions that succumbed to the brainwashing because they were unable to mount a defense?  Like one of those old sci-fi movies where the whole town has converted?

I hope this story ends with some good drama.  Like the water tower bursts and everything gets washed away!  lol

MileHigh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFnSxeDfENk

My gut feel is telling me that they are "Zombie Pod" engineers.  They aren't real engineers with the educational credentials and the memberships in professional engineering associations like the IEEE to back up their alleged titles.  They are just pretending that they are engineers and when Wayne says that he has engineers working for him be is also 'pretending' or choose a stronger word if you want.

It's probably illegal in most or all States to claim that you are an engineer when you are not.

Then we got the pictures of the props and the 'fake company' headquarters with the wide open spaces and not much of a sense of anything going on at all.

The whole sad story is laid out for all to see, you just have to open your eyes.

I'd like to ask these engineers to reveal themselves.

If in fact they exist and belong to any professional or governmental body that attests to their competence to hold the title 'Engineer', I'd like to formally complain to that body as to their competence to continue practising in that capacity.

They should be ashamed of themselves for believing such nonsense.

They do exist, but why would they be ashamed of having better comprehension abilities than you. You should be wondering why you don't have the ability to comprehend the system.

http://www.boschrexroth.com/business_units/bri/de/downloads/hyd_formelsammlung_en.pdf

Good luck finding some support for your claims in there, employee LarryC. You can skip ahead to Page 33 if the preliminary stuff is too boring.

(It's wonderful knowing that he's ignoring my comments. It makes it impossible for him to refute me!)