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Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED  (Read 403720 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #120 on: February 26, 2014, 05:26:24 AM »
Do you suppose that Wayne Travis may have paid off some early investors with money obtained from later, larger investors? I seem to recall that there is a name for that kind of activity. Pongy? Ronzy?  Something like that, anyway.

Ignoring for the moment the rather large conceptual error that MarkE found in LarryC's spreadsheet analysis.....

Now what I'd like to know is why Zeds don't blow up. If one Zed is underunity but two Zeds are 154 (or whatever) percent OU after the first transfer, then what happens to the first zed after the first complete cycle and the transfer is back to it? Does it get pumped up to greater than 154 percent? How about after the fourth transfer? Just when does the OU stop increasing? This is pretty scary. Is there some pressure relief system somewhere? Is _matter_ being created out of nothing?  You guys had better put some brakes on that thing, or make sure you are drawing enough power out of it constantly, so that it doesn't blow up, right?

Somehow, I doubt it.

 :o :P :-[ :-\ :'(

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #120 on: February 26, 2014, 05:26:24 AM »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #121 on: February 26, 2014, 05:39:19 AM »
MarkE: the 2-d drawings don't seem to reflect the fact that, if all the fluid annuli have the same surface area, their thickness in the radial direction has to be getting smaller the further out from the center you go. In the 2-d simplification, as drawn,  the thickness is the same, producing the same surface area regardless of layer number, but in the 3-d situation this isn't true anymore, the annuli must get thinner as the inner radius increases, if they are to have the same surface area.
Or am I interpreting "surface area" incorrectly?

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2014, 05:49:40 AM »
C h a r l e s P o n z i was quite adept at using new money to keep old investors at bay.  Alas when there is nothing of value to come out of the investment scheme as is the case here, it's a case of musical chairs.  Those who are fortunate enough to get some or all of their money out do so at the cost to those who don't.  Some of Madoff's investors who got money out actually had to give it back to the receiver because of their knowledge and the timing.

Wayne Travis told us that HER / Zydro are fully funded and are not out trying to pull in new investor money.  Surely Wayne wouldn't lie about something like that.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2014, 05:49:40 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #123 on: February 26, 2014, 05:55:24 AM »
MarkE: the 2-d drawings don't seem to reflect the fact that, if all the fluid annuli have the same surface area, their thickness in the radial direction has to be getting smaller the further out from the center you go. In the 2-d simplification, as drawn,  the thickness is the same, producing the same surface area regardless of layer number, but in the 3-d situation this isn't true anymore, the annuli must get thinner as the inner radius increases, if they are to have the same surface area.
Or am I interpreting "surface area" incorrectly?
We are talking about LarryC's analysis of a hypothetical device.  The walls have zero thickness, the "air" is massless and incompressible, and he has now stipulated that the annular widths get smaller in order to hold a constant 51 circular inch annular ring area:

The gap between the 25" diameter pod and the pod chamber wall, exactly 0.5", IE 26" diameter chamber.
The gap between the pod chamber wall and the riser wall, exactly: (727^0.5 - 26)/2", IE 727^0.5" diameter riser.
The gap between the riser wall and the vessel outer wall, exactly: (778^0.5 - 727^0.5)/2" IE 778^0.5" diameter vessel.


Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #124 on: February 26, 2014, 06:12:38 AM »
OK, thanks. So the drawings aren't to scale then, that's OK with me as long as the numbers are right.

BTW, the "sub" and "sup" BBCode tags are available just above the line of smileyfaces, they work pretty well.

e.g. 5^0.5 = 50.5

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #124 on: February 26, 2014, 06:12:38 AM »
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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #125 on: February 26, 2014, 07:36:34 AM »
We are talking about LarryC's analysis of a hypothetical device.  The walls have zero thickness, the "air" is massless and incompressible, and he has now stipulated that the annular widths get smaller in order to hold a constant 51 circular inch annular ring area:

The gap between the 25" diameter pod and the pod chamber wall, exactly 0.5", IE 26" diameter chamber.
The gap between the pod chamber wall and the riser wall, exactly: (727^0.5 - 26)/2", IE 727^0.5" diameter riser.
The gap between the riser wall and the vessel outer wall, exactly: (778^0.5 - 727^0.5)/2" IE 778^0.5" diameter vessel.
The air is very compressible unlike the water which is incompressible for practical purposes.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #126 on: February 26, 2014, 07:50:22 AM »
The air is very compressible unlike the water which is incompressible for practical purposes.
Mr. Grimer, for purposes of the analysis LarryC has stipulated that the "air" is incompressible and massless.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #126 on: February 26, 2014, 07:50:22 AM »
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Offline minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #127 on: February 26, 2014, 08:17:27 AM »



 Hi,
    MarkE, TinselKoala, thanks for all your effort at trying to solve this puzzle.
        Not that easy is it?
    I'm real excited now, will Wayne be exonerated ? Will he be world famous?
    It all comes down to two little letters, I and N.
      Famous or infamous!
     What I have learned is that numbers on a page are as good as useless, unless
     they are accompanied by detailed drawings, the assumptions employed and
      a step by step chronological plan.
                                John.


Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #128 on: February 26, 2014, 09:10:23 AM »
Actually certain aspects are trivially easy.

For example it is very easy to see that Travis himself cannot and/or will not provide any evidence for his claims. Just go over the posts he's made and count the times he has actually given any data or said anything substantive about the devices he claims to have. Then count the insults and disrespects he's emitted, veiled and overt. Stack them all on the pans of a balance and see to which side it tips.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #128 on: February 26, 2014, 09:10:23 AM »
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Offline Marsing

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #129 on: February 26, 2014, 09:19:35 AM »
Well, we are still facing the same problem, " third energy ",
but i like to call it "external energy". lol

i hope both mondrasek and larry won't get a hard day.   :o

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2014, 10:24:59 AM »
Wayne Travis told us that HER / Zydro are fully funded and are not out trying to pull in new investor money.

Things don't always fit in little boxes...............

Let me be clear - Our investors will not part with there part ownership in our company - none of them.

They have been offered 10X returns by out side investors...........wanting in........ and our members flat walked away. It does not take long to realize how well our company is growing.......

The idea that any of them have been harmed is ignorance. (beside the fact that about 30% of our owners are engineers -good ones).

I refused to let any of my friends and family support us unless they verified it was non risk money - and I have gifted much to needy friends and family.

We never asked for money - and we always had exactly what we need to pay for parts, tests, legal fee's - tools.

We did not buy cars - houses - jewelry, take vacations, or anything that would harm our ability or threaten the value of our members.

We built the product and the company.
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We "are" fully funded............... "Turnkey funded" and no investor has been paid off from other investors.

Paid off? you assume thay don't want to be part of our future............your mistake - your box.

One day - you may realize the gross misdirection - harm done - by your good intentions - to the good people - on this web site.

Or not - I have always hoped your intentions may have been meant for good, but you have no excuse.

.......................

The gross error by critics on this subject has been "Stark faith in what was presumed "known" - and lack of due effort and discovery."

The demands that you be handed a operating system - after you ignored the originals, ignored original analysis, ignored replications - tells me one thing - misdirection. I am just not sure if thier is more than one puppet master leading the way.

Demands that you control the education - of what you did not understand - was arrogant. While you called me arrogant for trying to teach you....

HERE IS THE SAD POINT:

A fraction of the time spent slandering us, a fraction of that energy spent - would have been more than enough to share in our discover - don't give me more misdirection and excuses.

The closing of the opportunity has passed.
.......................

Yes, we are in the process of interviewing and selecting a full scale engineering team - to both develop our systems and applications, yes we have recently moved into temporary facilities while the permits for ground breaking are being processed and the 7-8 months required to build our show case facility -

As of Yesterday - we have hired 21 of our 27-28 people.

This first building will house our Management, Engineering, additional Research, legal, and training facility. It will be a show case for the visiting representatives.

Both City and state incentives have been negotiated, Both the Oklahoma Secretary of Energy, and the Oklahoma Senate has been prepared and briefed -on our discovery and progress.

Our Benefactor is well represented in Both the US Senate and Congress, and has an incredible legal team.

One Senator spoke at our company launch three weeks agp - "Oklahoma has been known for its creative Energy solutions - and now that legacy continues with ZYdro Energy."

And yes - our facility will be grid tied - and powered by our systems - works great for the Training Department.

Our funding includes automated manufacturing - we will have another round of hiring in less than 12 months. Different locations.

This will also supply advancement opportunities for our first team members.

...........................

It is only by God's blessing that we were able to survive long enough to be discovered, examined, and supported.

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MarkE, you have the skills - and after the replication teams - you have begun to put in effort - I hope you can handle the truth - when the realization sweeps over you.

I am blessed to see it happen almost every day - it is good for the world.

How you handle that will determine much, reveal much, for you. Good luck.

....................

I was asked nicely - to update Overunity.com on our development.

And that time has now been spent, God speed to all of you.

Wayne



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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2014, 10:24:59 AM »
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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2014, 11:36:31 AM »



  Hi Wayne,
             have you got a 5hp. self running machine? Please answer yes or no. (zero waffle)
                            John.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #132 on: February 26, 2014, 12:25:16 PM »
Yet another post on the "no data, no support for claims, no sausages" side of the balance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKctCl_pr7A

Who is that fellow I wonder. Why is he playing around with a whiteboard instead of showing us an operating device? I know who, and I know why.

Your senator is going to be an awfully disappointed fellow when you can't provide what you promised to provide.


Offline minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #133 on: February 26, 2014, 01:25:00 PM »



     Koala,
             if we don't get an answer to question on 131 from Wayne we can take it
       as a no I would assume.
                            John.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #134 on: February 26, 2014, 02:40:03 PM »


     Koala,
             if we don't get an answer to question on 131 from Wayne we can take it
       as a no I would assume.
                            John.

That is what I would also conclude. Meanwhile, while he tries to think of a way to answer you without answering you .... we hear the sound of crickets chirping.

 

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