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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2014, 08:35:56 PM »
Multiple different people have shown now how our system can and does work.

You have said much....

The "can't work" is your misunderstanding.

Wayne

Demonstrate it, then. You cannot.
Show us your electric bills. You will not.
Your words mean nothing, against the lack of a practical demonstration of your claims. Just think how easy it would be for you to refute me utterly, had you what you claim. But you have not, and you cannot, because you DO NOT. Go ahead, prove me wrong by showing a valid demonstration.

I'm holding my breath in anticipation.....











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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2014, 08:42:03 PM »
Math that does not reflect physical reality is just so many numbers on a page.  The conservative nature of gravity does not change just because someone performs the wrong calculations.

Mark,

I m sill holding out that you will actually look, threats and slander ignored.

The Word Conservative is a theory - and Non conservative - does not have to ask its permission.

Conservative does not need your protection - Math supports and proves both.

This does not require higher math to understand or verify.

Larry and Mark have presented proof - and it can be utilized in a ZED system.

Good luck.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2014, 08:42:58 PM »
Wayne Travis where is one of these working systems, and who has verified its operation is as you claim?

Why not give Kevan Riley,PE, a call? I posted his telephone number somewhere earlier. See if he still stands by the material presented in the PowerPoint slideshow. Ask _him_ why the Trinity Baptist Church is still paying for electricity.


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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2014, 08:42:58 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2014, 08:44:36 PM »
Mark,

I m sill holding out that you will actually look, threats and slander ignored.

The Word Conservative is a theory - and Non conservative - does not have to ask its permission.

Conservative does not need your protection - Math supports and proves both.

This does not require higher math to understand or verify.

Larry and Mark have presented proof - and it can be utilized in a ZED system.

Good luck.

Then why hasn't it been? Why are you not running your house, shop, and Trinity Baptist Church on the wonderful output of your Zed system?

I know why, and so do you.

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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2014, 08:46:29 PM »
Why not give Kevan Riley,PE, a call? I posted his telephone number somewhere earlier. See if he still stands by the material presented in the PowerPoint slideshow. Ask _him_ why the Trinity Baptist Church is still paying for electricity.
If he really is a PE, then he can be sued by any and all of the burned investors for his expressed support of HER/Zydro's false claims.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2014, 08:46:29 PM »
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2014, 08:47:41 PM »
Demonstrate it, then. You cannot.
Show us your electric bills. You will not.
Your words mean nothing, against the lack of a practical demonstration of your claims. Just think how easy it would be for you to refute me utterly, had you what you claim. But you have not, and you cannot, because you DO NOT. Go ahead, prove me wrong by showing a valid demonstration.

I'm holding my breath in anticipation.....











NOT.

Good thing Sock Puppets don't breath...

Lets get something clear -

You set the standard making claims against our ZED device using supposed indisputable mathematical proof.

Now you refuse to accept  that same method as proof. you speak out of both socks at the same time...

The question at hand - no pun intended - is Mathematical analysis - if you are not interested - put the boys back in the dresser.

Your diversion is a waste of time.

Wayne




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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2014, 08:52:00 PM »
If he really is a PE, then he can be sued by any and all of the burned investors for his expressed support of HER/Zydro's false claims.

Once again - Our system is real - you are making a fool of yourself.

How hard is your apology going to come......that is if you have an honor.

You should really look at the spreadsheets Monderask and Larry shared - ask for their help if you do not understand.

Wayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2014, 08:52:00 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #82 on: February 25, 2014, 08:55:30 PM »
Mark,

I m sill holding out that you will actually look, threats and slander ignored.

The Word Conservative is a theory - and Non conservative - does not have to ask its permission.

Conservative does not need your protection - Math supports and proves both.

This does not require higher math to understand or verify.

Larry and Mark have presented proof - and it can be utilized in a ZED system.

Good luck.
Wayne Travis it is not slander to state the fact that you are making false claims of among other things:  A way to get non conservative behavior from gravity, free energy from cyclically lifting and dropping weights.  The threat to you is from burned investors who have believed your false and reckless statements.  They can sue.  If there are enough of them with any influence they can bring law enforcement against you as well.  You claim to have many legal groups.  Have them look into the Acts:  1933, and 1934.  See what they have to say about selling securities while making fraudulent statements. 

The conservative nature of gravitational fields is an extremely well observed fact.  If you wish to counter that you go up against known science at least back to Kepler and arguably back to the Greeks.  The burden of proof is upon you.  You haven't a shred of evidence, much less proof.  That makes your false claims at a minimum reckless.

Larry has yet to prove anything, ditto Mark, and most of all:  ditto you.

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2014, 08:55:44 PM »
Then why hasn't it been? Why are you not running your house, shop, and Trinity Baptist Church on the wonderful output of your Zed system?

I know why, and so do you.


Let me help you TK - you can't prove our system is anything less than we claim....

End of story.

Good Day - I have a meeting.



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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2014, 08:55:44 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #84 on: February 25, 2014, 08:59:03 PM »
Once again - Our system is real - you are making a fool of yourself.

How hard is your apology going to come......that is if you have an honor.

You should really look at the spreadsheets Monderask and Larry shared - ask for their help if you do not understand.

Wayne
Your system does not produce the free energy that you claim.  We know it doesn't even give an appearance of something interesting because you have never lived up to the years over due Dansie demonstration.  You can bluff and bluster all day long.  The fact that you don't demonstrate underlies the simple fact that you can't demonstrate.

It is just amazing to see how persistently you repeat your suggestions that there is some magic behind your tattered curtains.  There isn't.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2014, 09:00:59 PM »
Wayne Travis it is not slander to state the fact that you are making false claims of among other things:  A way to get non conservative behavior from gravity, free energy from cyclically lifting and dropping weights.  The threat to you is from burned investors who have believed your false and reckless statements.  They can sue.  If there are enough of them with any influence they can bring law enforcement against you as well.  You claim to have many legal groups.  Have them look into the Acts:  1933, and 1934.  See what they have to say about selling securities while making fraudulent statements. 

The conservative nature of gravitational fields is an extremely well observed fact.  If you wish to counter that you go up against known science at least back to Kepler and arguably back to the Greeks.  The burden of proof is upon you.  You haven't a shred of evidence, much less proof.  That makes your false claims at a minimum reckless.

Larry has yet to prove anything, ditto Mark, and most of all:  ditto you.

You know - I did not know that everything in the universe was taught to you when you went to school - Research should just stop now....

What a waste ......

Or try learning something new - RED Sunset tried to show you that the conservative field of gravity - has been broken...

That's the end - and you are making such a fool of yourself calling me names and slandering,,,,

Do the Math - it tells the truth without predisposed assumptions.

Wayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2014, 09:00:59 PM »
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Offline minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2014, 09:02:59 PM »



   Rove is to wander aimlessly mrwayne, I feel that perhaps that's what you're doing.
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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #87 on: February 25, 2014, 09:05:07 PM »
You know - I did not know that everything in the universe was taught to you when you went to school - Research should just stop now....

What a waste ......

Or try learning something new - RED Sunset tried to show you that the conservative field of gravity - has been broken...

That's the end - and you are making such a fool of yourself calling me names and slandering,,,,

Do the Math - it tells the truth without predisposed assumptions.

Wayne
Red_Sunset failed to present any evidence of a conservation breach.  He did attempt to invoke such comic relief as magic levers.  Your claims to investors of free energy technology and gravitational breaches are false and misleading.  You know that they are false and misleading and/or are reckless in not recognizing them as such.  For someone selling stock that's the end with or without a registration exemption.

You cannot show math that is faithful to the real world that also shows a cycle by cycle energy gain in your system.

Offline LarryC

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #88 on: February 25, 2014, 09:08:37 PM »
Mondrasek, I have done some looking at Larry's spreadsheet.  The first thing that jumps out at me is that it does not look like he accounts for the cross-section areas of his various cavities.  For example on the '2 Zed' worksheet he lists four conditions:  Start, Equalized, Ready to Stroke, and Stroke End.  For each he lists two head values:  Riser and pod.  I gather these refer to the outermost annular ring, and the pod chamber annular ring heights.  These values are shown as having very nicely rounded numbers:  95,50  65,35  51,28  and 35,20.  Fluid moving in the various annular ring moves as V/28^2,V/27^2,V/26^2, and V/25^2.  IE V/784, V/729, V/676, and V/625.


Thanks for checking the math, any confusion that is perceive helps me to improve the example.   


The water head in the Pod is equal to water in the pod chamber annular ring heights, however the water head for the riser is equal to the Outermost annular ring (O1) - Next inner annular ring (O2).


Thus the 95 represents 100 in O1 - 5 in O2. Then during equalization the water dropped 15 in the Pod to 35. When this occurs, the water in O2 follows up and rises 15 to 20 and the water in O1 follows down and lowers to 85. So now the water head is 65 which represents 85 in O1 - 20 in O2. That is why I brought up earlier that 1X changes in the Pod Water causes 2X change in riser water head as Wayne stated early is his thread.

You can see this effect in the drawings.

Larry


 

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #89 on: February 25, 2014, 09:43:25 PM »
Good thing Sock Puppets don't breath...
Your characterization of me is false. This is the only alias I have ever used here, the only account. If you don't believe me, ask our host Stefan. You cannot provide any evidence for your claim that I may have multiple accounts or usernames here.
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Lets get something clear -

You set the standard making claims against our ZED device using supposed indisputable mathematical proof.

Again... false. I have only recently begun any mathematical analysis of your claims. The FACT that you do not have anything that demonstrates your claims has always been indisputable proof that ... you don't have what you claim!
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Now you refuse to accept  that same method as proof. you speak out of both socks at the same time...
You are deluded, nearly as much as our dear old Ainslie. Believe it, Travis.... more than one person is able to see through your misrepresentations and outright lies.
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The question at hand - no pun intended - is Mathematical analysis - if you are not interested - put the boys back in the dresser.

Your diversion is a waste of time.

Wayne
You are hilarious! The QUESTION AT HAND is whether or not your claims are valid and true. Since you cannot produce any evidence that they are true, besides some spreadsheet numbers that you yourself didn't even come up with.... well, I think even a bright sixth-grader could DO THAT MATH.

Why are you wasting your time, then? Take your stuff over to the Norman campus and tell us what they think. You will not do it, because you know the result already.

 

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