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Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED  (Read 466367 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #825 on: March 09, 2014, 10:04:05 AM »
Lift buckets of water.  Lower buckets of water.  Thump on a Bible.  Claim free energy.  Pimp worthless investments.  Any questions?

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #825 on: March 09, 2014, 10:04:05 AM »

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #826 on: March 09, 2014, 02:05:35 PM »
MarkE, I choose this diagram of a probable State 3.  Unless it is in a condition where the sum of the buoyant Forces on the pod and risers is negative, I can work with it.  If it is a correct final State 3, the sum of those buoyant Forces will be zero.  If it is incorrect and the sum of those buoyant Forces is a positive value, that would mean the lift distance would need to grow further, but we can still check to see what Energy is in the water columns as well as the Work that could have been performed due to the lift so far.  IF those two values sum to a greater Energy than was present in State 2, it concludes that Energy increased in the transition from State 2 to State 3.

For simplicity I will be using 1gram/cc for the Density of the water, and 9.81m/s2 for the acceleration of gravity.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #827 on: March 09, 2014, 03:15:19 PM »
Unfortunately this State 3 being checked is not going to work for us.  When summing the buoyant Forces on the pod and risers due to the water Head on each you arrive at a negative value.  So the ZED could never rise to the height that is displayed.  It would stop short of that lift where the sum of the buoyant Forces is zero.

The buoyant Force on the pod and riser is calculated:

Fb = (Water Head) * (Surface Area)

For the outer riser this would be calculated as Fb = (AR7 - AR6) * (pi * r2)

If the units of measure are kept always as cm, the result is simply cm3 (also known as cc).  With the Density of water at 1 gram/cm3 the result is also the buoyant Force in grams.

So for the outer riser this would be calculated as Fb = (2.2966 - 4.0351) * (pi * 2.22) = -26.4344 grams of Force.  This riser is negatively Buoyant and pushing down against the middle riser.

Calculate the others similarly and you get:

Buoyant Force from Outer Riser  = -26.4344 g
Buoyant Force from Middle Riser =    0.9191 g
Buoyant Force from Inner Riser   =  14.8938 g
Buoyant Force from the pod        =    7.1132 g
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Total Buoyant Force                    =  -3.5083 g

The ZED could not rise to this condition.

MarkE, do you want to argue this point, make a correction, or should I choose a different State 3 to work with?

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #827 on: March 09, 2014, 03:15:19 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #828 on: March 09, 2014, 05:13:00 PM »
Hello Mondrasek,

A "builder" just stopped by shook my hand and gave me a running Sterno motor!

He drove 80 miles!!!

I love it.

.......................

I will be surprised if Mark ever goes any further with you - he is smart and can surely see the obvious conclusion.

The dodging and diversions and demands, intentional omissions, premature assumptions, degrading comparatives, making self supporting claims, assumed ruler of the universe, and  8) 8)   are much like TK - but I am not yet convinced.

"removed text for poor taste"

Let me put back in what you "removed text for poor taste." Some of your "poor taste" is preserved in MarkE's quotation of your posts, you cannot edit that away.

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I am glad he is helpful to some - but being a total urd isser - does not help anyone.

You called me a " urd isser " and I will put in the letters you omitted. T and K.

You, Wayne Travis, are an ignorant, disgusting buffoon.   You can remove, edit, whatever.... but the record stands and with that little slip of yours, you have done two things: You have revealed your true personality, the muck inside your filthy lying self-serving mind; and you have earned my eternal enmity.  No.... do not bother to apologize. You typed it, I and others saw it. You will get what you deserve in the end, honest Wayne Travis, and Someone a lot more powerful than I will be seeing to that.


Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #829 on: March 09, 2014, 06:35:48 PM »
Beware, gentle readers and analysts. Honest WAYNE TRAVIS is "checking you out". 

He is using his vast well-paid network of lawyers and webmasters and private investigators to find out who you are, where you live, just what your "qualifications" are and just whatever he can find to use against you.

People have been accused of being "paid shills" on this website before.... but we've never, to my knowledge, encountered proof before.... until now. Wayne Travis has his paid shills posting on this forum, attempting to help promulgate his fraudulent program and his "Zero Energy Device".

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #829 on: March 09, 2014, 06:35:48 PM »
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #830 on: March 09, 2014, 07:07:01 PM »
Let me put back in what you "removed text for poor taste." Some of your "poor taste" is preserved in MarkE's quotation of your posts, you cannot edit that away.

You called me a " urd isser " and I will put in the letters you omitted. T and K.

You, Wayne Travis, are an ignorant, disgusting buffoon.   You can remove, edit, whatever.... but the record stands and with that little slip of yours, you have done two things: You have revealed your true personality, the muck inside your filthy lying self-serving mind; and you have earned my eternal enmity.  No.... do not bother to apologize. You typed it, I and others saw it. You will get what you deserve in the end, honest Wayne Travis, and Someone a lot more powerful than I will be seeing to that.

I know, I knew it was copied.

I am very sorry.

You have treated me fairly and with honest judgement from day one.

It was in very poor taste to treat you that way. Very Poor.

Wayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #831 on: March 09, 2014, 07:16:21 PM »
Beware, gentle readers and analysts. Honest WAYNE TRAVIS is "checking you out". 

He is using his vast well-paid network of lawyers and webmasters and private investigators to find out who you are, where you live, just what your "qualifications" are and just whatever he can find to use against you.

People have been accused of being "paid shills" on this website before.... but we've never, to my knowledge, encountered proof before.... until now. Wayne Travis has his paid shills posting on this forum, attempting to help promulgate his fraudulent program and his "Zero Energy Device".

We do have the quality of people checked out - I have never had to pay for it.

From those checks, I do support other inventors, skill contacts and sometimes funding.

When a report comes back bad - I might put them on block.

I would like you to defend your claims and statements, or Apologize.

..................

"He is using his vast well-paid network of lawyers and webmasters"
and "private investigators to find out who you are",
"where you live", just what your
"qualifications" are and just whatever he can find to use against you.

"Wayne Travis has his paid shills posting on this forum, attempting to help promulgate his fraudulent program"

....................

At least six claims you are making against me.....

Proof or made up claims

Thanks you


 

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #831 on: March 09, 2014, 07:16:21 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #832 on: March 09, 2014, 07:27:14 PM »
The only proof I need is contained in your statements, Honest Wayne Travis. You cannot cover up the stink of your insults with misdirection and insincere apologies. And let us not forget that YOU have never provided one lick of proof for your lying claims.


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Quick question:

How many of these user names are "TK

John
AL
alokin alset
Orbo 3000
minnie
TK
alset alokin
Bill

(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)?

Do not forget, Honest Wayne Travis, that we KNOW that you have paid Webby for his "contribution" and we have LarryC's admission that he is on your payroll as well. 

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #833 on: March 09, 2014, 07:33:19 PM »
Early on in the ZED development (but after we had broken the conservative process of gravity).

I was contacted by Patrick Flanagan, who pumped me for inside information regarding the inner workings of the ZED.

I was excited - this guy was a wiz kid and had his own inventions.

......................

I gave him very valuable information --------- and he turned out to be not such a good guy.

......................

Later - I discovered that Patrick had decided he was the reincarnated "Tesla" and he now was working to keep his secrets safe from bad guys.

I let it all go as a lesson learned.

......................

I do not know yet how my invention is a harm to the world - but I have seen every effort possible to discredit my work - except a real analysis.

Hence my verbal support to the men who put hands on the equipment.

Once Again, I am in your debt.

Wayne Travis

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #833 on: March 09, 2014, 07:33:19 PM »
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #834 on: March 09, 2014, 07:35:13 PM »
The only proof I need is contained in your statements, Honest Wayne Travis. You cannot cover up the stink of your insults with misdirection and insincere apologies. And let us not forget that YOU have never provided one lick of proof for your lying claims.


Do not forget, Honest Wayne Travis, that we KNOW that you have paid Webby for his "contribution" and we have LarryC's admission that he is on your payroll as well.

How does winning a contest and contracting skills equate to a Shill - and please address the other claims.
I would like you to defend your claims and statements, or Apologize.

..................

"He is using his vast well-paid network of lawyers and webmasters"
and "private investigators to find out who you are",
"where you live", just what your
"qualifications" are and just whatever he can find to use against you.

"Wayne Travis has his paid shills posting on this forum, attempting to help promulgate his fraudulent program"

....................

At least six claims you are making against me.....

Proof or made up claims

Thank you

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #835 on: March 09, 2014, 07:58:58 PM »
How does winning a contest and contracting skills equate to a Shill - and please address the other claims.
I would like you to defend your claims and statements, or Apologize.

..................

"He is using his vast well-paid network of lawyers and webmasters"
and "private investigators to find out who you are",
"where you live", just what your
"qualifications" are and just whatever he can find to use against you.

"Wayne Travis has his paid shills posting on this forum, attempting to help promulgate his fraudulent program"

....................

At least six claims you are making against me.....

Proof or made up claims

Thank you

You have no leg to stand on, Honest Wayne Travis. You can "demand" apologies all you like.... but when you call someone a TURD KISSER, you can take your hypocrisy all the way to your church, and sit on it.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #835 on: March 09, 2014, 07:58:58 PM »
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #836 on: March 09, 2014, 08:28:06 PM »
I was wrong in saying so, regardless of whether it is or is not true.

"Because" I stooped to that level. I am sorry for doing it.

............................

Yes, I have a leg to stand on, you defamed my character for over two years........

Have you not left an insult out - not one.

Now again:

I would like you to defend your claims and statements, I will remove the thought of apology for you:
..................

"He is using his vast well-paid network of lawyers and webmasters"
and "private investigators to find out who you are",
"where you live", just what your
"qualifications" are and just whatever he can find to use against you.

"Wayne Travis has his paid shills posting on this forum, attempting to help promulgate his fraudulent program"

....................

At least six claims you are making against me.....

Are these generated from your imagination, is that fair way to treat people.

....................

Provide the proof or recall your claims.

I do not need an apology.

........ p.s. church does not make you perfect............. just saying....


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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #837 on: March 09, 2014, 08:41:49 PM »
"Quick question:

How many of these user names are "TK

John
AL
alokin alset
Orbo 3000
minnie
TK
alset alokin
Bill

(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)?"

So now I am TK?  Or am I these other folks?  Now I am confused.  I really thought that TK was Stefan.  (Just kidding)  Maybe Mr. Wayne is Sterling then?

This makes my head spin.

Bill

Offline mrwayne

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #838 on: March 09, 2014, 09:24:33 PM »
I get your point - puppets is not the right word. The puppets can't actually think for them self.


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Surely there is a word that means something to the effect of "copy cat joining into trolling..." its hard.

It can't mean anyone specifically - because no one holds the true title.

It is an act.... like agreeing that a brick is a good system.... and then carrying on about it for two pages.

Again, Not anyone specifically - just a term - of one who joins in the act of diverting the thread topic by piles of posts and insults.

It needs to be special - to include the drama displayed when a insult is returned.

and the Extreme "avoidance" when they are called to show justification of the original insults.

We have to be careful - it must be a word that shows respect.

IDK.....

« Last Edit: March 10, 2014, 01:44:04 AM by mrwayne »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #839 on: March 09, 2014, 09:48:32 PM »
I was wrong in saying so, regardless of whether it is or is not true.

Keep it up, Honest Wayne Travis. You are compounding insult after insult with your hypocrisy.

No, I have not defamed your "character", I have simply pointed out that you have made claims that are untrue, which makes YOU a liar. I did not put the false claims into your mouth, I have just shown where YOU made them, on the website that you have tried to suppress.

I have pointed out promises you have made and not kept, and I've helped to show how YOU have tried to distract from the real issues by your hypocritical insults and lack of respect for those whom you have called "not worth our salt".... that is, meaning that we are incompetent, ignorant and that anyone who might pay us a salary -- from the word for "salt" -- is wasting their money.

@webby: Are you now denying that Travis paid you a substantial chunk of change?  But it's on record. You may even recall that I asked you if the check actually cleared. Do you think he would have paid you that money if you had said that your tennis-ball-packaging model did NOT support his absurd claims? I sure don't. You have been PAID MONEY by WAYNE TRAVIS because YOU SUPPORTED HIS CLAIMS. 

Now, if you found out that I was paid money to detract, to criticize.... I am quite sure that you would have no problem calling ME a "paid shill". You hypocrite.

There is one and only one issue here, and that is that Honest Wayne Travis has claimed that which is not true. He has claimed to have something that he will never show you, because he does not in fact have anything but a plan, a dream, and some colored water in plastic toys. Do not be distracted by his insults, his false apologies made from the left side of his face, or his threats. Demand to see the sausages! You will never see them.



 

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