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### Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED  (Read 754068 times)

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #540 on: March 05, 2014, 08:25:57 AM »
You act as if there were no water or atmosphere, that gravity and buoyancy coexist still.  Buoyancy can be an effect due to gravity, but it is not gravity itself.  It is just a result of certain conditions  affected by gravity.

Again, you are dodging the question. Show me the quote from Wayne that he states that he can turn 'gravity' on and off.

So far, I won that bet. Pay uP sucka!!!  lol    Classic dodging.  And typical.

Mags

Mags.... show me some gravity, please.

No.... that is just an EFFECT of gravity you are showing me. I want to see some GRAVITY that you can show me.

Buoyancy is an EFFECT of gravity, because we know gravity ONLY by its effects. And there is no other force than Gravity involved in Buoyancy. Is there any force other than gravity involved in a teeter-totter? Wouldn't you say that a teetertotter's motion is just gravity in action? Well, think about it, the action of water floating a buoyant object is no different than the motion of a see-saw, it is GRAVITY in action, just gravity misspelled.
(And in case you didn't know, the phrase is also an allusion to the statement "love ain't nothing but s e x  misspelled".)

#### mrwayne

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #541 on: March 05, 2014, 08:29:22 AM »
I was not addressing you, Travis, and Mags knows my history and knows that if I say I can demonstrate something... I really can do it. You? Not so much. HONESTLY? You have got to be kidding me. Thou hypocrite, I spew you from my mouth like the drink of lukewarm Zed leakage that you are.Or what, you big bully? Are you going to shoot a spitwad at me? Fail to mention me in your prayers? STOP THREATENING ME.

see how you twisted that comment

I do not threaten you - I am trying to save you from emberassing yourself more.

You missed the ability of the ZED - and all of your attacks are misguided.

I suggest rather than getting stuck on a "decimal point" you go back and look at what Larry shared.

or just stop wasting your own time.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #542 on: March 05, 2014, 08:35:51 AM »
There is an easy way to control buoyancy, and that is by controlling the volume of the thing that is displacing the water. As I have tried to get over several times, there is a component of the air-water Zed system that acts like the Cartesian diver. True, the OUTER atmosphere interface cannot affect the buoyancy except by its head elevation. But there is an INNER interface too, when liquid volume is injected into the center of the system. The volume of the _compressible air layers_ changes; this changes the volume of water that these "bubbles" of air displace and hence the buoyant forces in the system.... just like the Cartesian diver's bubble is changed by pressure changes to the exterior of the device, transmitted through the incompressible water to the bubble within the _unsealed_ diver.

Think about it. Of course this effect cannot occur if the "bubble" is an incompressible fluid.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #543 on: March 05, 2014, 08:36:42 AM »
see how you twisted that comment

I do not threaten you - I am trying to save you from emberassing yourself more.

You missed the ability of the ZED - and all of your attacks are misguided.

I suggest rather than getting stuck on a "decimal point" you go back and look at what Larry shared.

or just stop wasting your own time.
The only ability the ZED has is as a vehicle to raise money from people who do not perform technical due diligence.  Contrary to your false claims, you cannot generate net energy by cyclically lifting and dropping weights.  You can only expend net energy doing such things.  When may we see a report from any professional engineer who supports your false claims?

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #544 on: March 05, 2014, 08:40:26 AM »
see how you twisted that comment

I do not threaten you - I am trying to save you from emberassing yourself more.

You missed the ability of the ZED - and all of your attacks are misguided.

I suggest rather than getting stuck on a "decimal point" you go back and look at what Larry shared.

or just stop wasting your own time.
You've threatened me more than once, both veiled and overtly. I am not embarrassed about anything, but I think you are. You have been asked a simple question and you refuse to answer it with "NO" because that would expose you as a false claimant by your own admission, and you refuse to answer it with "YES" because of that silly 8th Commandment. You probably think it's the Ninth, but you know which one I mean. Deut. 5, verses 4 onward.

You are wasting time, Travis, ours and everybody else's. I'm just sitting here watching you flail about like a landed fish.

#### Magluvin

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #545 on: March 05, 2014, 08:42:20 AM »
Buoyancy is the acceleration due to gravity restricted to the fluid states of matter.   Would you like to spin again?

Where is the acceleration in a boat floating on a flat lake? It must be really slow. Actually, Im not much interested in waiting for the boat to accelerate.    I dont have time for that.

Again, you are dodging the question. Show me the quote from Wayne that he states that he can turn 'gravity' on and off.

Master of the universe cant back up his own statements.  Was it just sarcasm?    Astigmatism?? Maybe you can dig that quote up for tomorrow, just to give you some time to get it together.    No pressure. lol

Ok, time to sleep.  Night

Mags

#### Magluvin

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #546 on: March 05, 2014, 08:45:03 AM »
There is an easy way to control buoyancy, and that is by controlling the volume of the thing that is displacing the water.

Umm, like a submarine??

Night T

Mags

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #547 on: March 05, 2014, 08:49:51 AM »
You have been shown the quote. Buoyancy is gravity underwater, buoyancy is gravity misspelled, the only way to turn buoyancy on and off is to turn gravity on and off since they are THE SAME FORCE. When we see it operating out in space or between dry objects we say oh, look that is an effect of gravity. When it happens underwater we say oh, look, buoyancy. But it is the same force. The presence of the water just partitions that same force so that it is acting on the displaced water, and the displacer itself.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #548 on: March 05, 2014, 08:53:28 AM »
Umm, like a submarine??

Night T

Mags
A submarine has tanks that are opened from within the boat, and it takes time to fill those tanks. This does not result in a "volume change" as much as it results in a "weight change". The sealed volume of the boat remains the same, but its weight is increased so it sinks and guess what, it is GRAVITY that sinks it. The Cartesian diver is operated by Pressure Changes coming from Outside, and the Diver responds instantly to those changes because its Volume changes so that it displaces more or less water, but its weight remains the same. Again, it is Gravity that makes the diver descend AND rise.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #549 on: March 05, 2014, 08:58:51 AM »
Where is the acceleration in a boat floating on a flat lake? It must be really slow. Actually, Im not much interested in waiting for the boat to accelerate.    I dont have time for that.

Again, you are dodging the question. Show me the quote from Wayne that he states that he can turn 'gravity' on and off.

Master of the universe cant back up his own statements.  Was it just sarcasm?    Astigmatism?? Maybe you can dig that quote up for tomorrow, just to give you some time to get it together.    No pressure. lol

Ok, time to sleep.  Night

Mags
No Mags I am afraid that it is you who is a little slow.  Just as the mass of the boat is acted upon by the acceleration due to gravity so is the equivalent mass of displaced fluid.  Maybe you worry that the acceleration due to gravity is going to pull you through your bed as you sleep tonight.  Thankfully for you there is Newton's Third Law to keep you from vanishing from under your covers to a fiery doom at the earth's center.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #550 on: March 05, 2014, 09:00:43 AM »
Oh don't go to bed yet, Magsy.

Say your submarine is way down deep, with full ballast tanks. Now you want to surface. How do you do it?

You have to pump water out of the ballast tanks against the pressure of the deep sea. Where do you get all the compressed air it takes to do that?

#### minnie

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #551 on: March 05, 2014, 09:14:30 AM »

mrwayne's confused! Most of the rest of us aren't though.
Handy being confused when you're faced with tough questions!
John.

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #552 on: March 05, 2014, 10:12:52 AM »
We have the technology!  Muhahahah.....   (Oops!  She's breaking up!  She's breaking up!)

#### powercat

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #553 on: March 05, 2014, 12:41:11 PM »
If anyone reading this new threat had any doubts about Wayne travesties honesty, take a look at the list of quotes from the old thread, Wayne will accuse me of anything he can to divert attention from his failings and dishonesty, he will also come up with multiple excuses to try and justify his failings and deceit.

Quote from: mrwayne on May 28, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
I always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts
Quote from: mrwayne on May 25, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 02, 2012, 06:47:33 AM
We will be releasing to scientific journals and presenting the Data professionally, when Marks Group reccomends.
I look forward to the longevity runs as well, Next weekend is when we have the help to set up the new
plc equipment and software.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 10, 2012, 04:40:37 AM
Mark Dansie has assembled the team for our Extended runs - critical review
Quote from: mrwayne on June 24, 2012, 03:40:11 PM
We will run our pre test runs starting Monday - after we are sure we do not have new clogs
- I call Mark and he will come - the 28 is still our goal.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 27, 2012, 05:16:19 AM
Mark will come as soon as I ask - he is ready too.But I have not asked him to come yet, I might after tommorrows Run.
Quote from: mrwayne on June 30, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
We began running pretrial tests - prior to Mark Dansie's return - I had very much hoped to be done by Wednesday.
Quote from: mrwayne on July 27, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
After this Validation testing and presentation - we will be setting down to a coalition of teams
world wide to bring this technology to the world
Quote from: mrwayne on August 13, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
Mark has set his return for the week of the 20th.
Quote from: mrwayne on August 16, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
We are solving current issues for Mark and the rest of the team's next visit
Quote from: mrwayne on August 25, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
No, I am not sharing run Data with aynone, until we have the system ready to be released
Quote from: mrwayne on August 25, 2012, 10:43:58 PM
Marks third return was delayed because our "new" system would not charge the accumulator
Quote from: markdansie on August 27, 2012, 05:05:15 AM
I still have not seen the two day demo yet , but I never put a time frame on this.
However as with all things as time carries on the confidence level always diminishes.
Quote from: mrwayne on August 29, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
Our OU is not and has not been the question - simple phisics can show it over and over
Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
p.s. our optimized system is over 600% efficient.
Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
It will all begin in a short time - the validation is just around the corner - I am relieved and excited.
Quote from: mrwayne on October 1 2012 on his web site
We expect to be finished by the end of the week - assuming all goes semi well (parts delivery)
and we will be ready for the Validation!
Quote from: mrwayne on October 15 2012 on his web site
Of course this means we will run a couple days for ourselves before we turn it over to the validation team
- I have been in clear and constant communication with them.
Quote from: mrwayne on October 29 2012 on his web site
I spoke with Mark this morning regarding time lines, and travel arrangements
- we have selected a prevalidation member to come this weekend
Quote from: mrwayne on November 6 2012 on his web site
Do you feel a sense of urgency in our Development?
Have you waited long enough, are you ready to be done with all of the improvements and obstacles,
are you ready for the internal Validation, and the external validation?
Me too.
Quote from: mrwayne on November 11, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
Mark is not a member of the "Final Validation team" - so do not make assumptions - Mark has arranged a completly
independant and extremely qualified Validation team.
Quote from: mrwayne on November 22, 2012, 04:22:19 AM
Yes,And thank you.Mark is a valuable part of our efforts.In Mark and mine's last conversation -
just prior to his heading off on his honeymoon - He has two other stops to make and then we
both hope we are ready for him to return her to Chickasha Oklahoma again. Will we be ready?
« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 06:05:24 PM by powercat »

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #554 on: March 05, 2014, 01:03:03 PM »
PowerCat you have chronicled an example "Fan Dance of the Sharpie" or "The Dance of the Never to be Unveiled".  Some nice smiling stranger shows up and starts offering people the opportunity to get something for nothing.  They extol the wonderful virtues of the gourmet free lunch that they will be providing and the opportunities in franchising lovely gift meals.  Somehow, free lunches always take an extra special long time to prepare.  Those extended preparation times have a silver lining:  They leave more time for people to exchange money for free lunch opportunities.

I went and looked at the old Hydro Differential thread from two years ago.  It's Deja-Vu all over again.  Back then Kan Shi among others went through the physics and showed that there is nothing about the ZED that is new or different, or particularly efficient.  And there is certainly nothing about the ZED that is over unity.  Wayne's back almost two years later and his rhetoric is unchanged:  There's something magic behind the curtain that only smart members of the cult can see.  Somehow for all of their vision, they still need to buy electricity from the local power utility.