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Author Topic: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED  (Read 404135 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2310 on: April 21, 2014, 05:11:32 PM »
Careful! Honest Wayne Travis has asked the NDA signers not to discuss the True and Holy Zed any more!

You can only discuss the lesser, pseudoZeds that are proven mathematically not to work. They are endorsed by the Zed Priesthood as being correct models, up until all the kinks are worked out of the math. Then when the math is all correct and it's impossible to claim that the models could work, it is revealed from on high that the models aren't really like the True and Holy Zeds at all..... Honest Father Wayne was just joking around with you, since he cannot reveal the actual operation of the True and Holy Zed and can't show any working model. The Law, and the agreements he has made, prevent it!

Many people believe all kinds of utterly crazy things. That doesn't mean it's true.
Looking through some of the nonsense that the fraud:  "Honest Wayne Travis" posted in the very beginning, he definitely was claiming that the nested Russian dolls of ignorance were OU.  They are of course not OU as has been shown. 

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2310 on: April 21, 2014, 05:11:32 PM »

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2311 on: April 21, 2014, 07:11:50 PM »
Round and round we go Tom.  There is a mountain of evidence carefully collected over hundreds of years by countless researchers that brought us to and daily reinforce our beliefs:  Energy is conserved and gravity is a conservative field.  To say or imply that somehow those beliefs have any chance of being overturned by bathtub toys is absurdly ridiculous.  Your claim that you are being scientific when you willfully ignore evidence on the one hand and ascribe to unevidenced beliefs on the other is so unscientific behavior as to be idiotic.

It is up to the person making the extraordinary claim to back that claim with strong evidence.  You parrot Wayne's false extraordinary claims.  No one has brought any evidence that backs those claims. 

You have shown zero evidence that you can get surplus energy splashing water around.
You have shown zero evidence that you can get gravity to behave in a non-conservative way.
Neither have any other supporters of Wayne Travis' investment fraud offered any evidence.

You go on about "sharing" when it is you who fail to share any data that backs your bull shit.  AFAIAC you long ago cast yourself in the roll of a troll.  You did so and continue to do so in support of a crime in progress.  That's a curious choice that you have made.

If you want to be scientific, then act scientifically:  Produce evidence that supports your claims.

Offline minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2312 on: April 21, 2014, 07:14:20 PM »



     Webby,
               surely the scientific route would be to present diagrams and data and then get it
   scientifically peer reviewed by a competent scientist.
      Flieschman and Pons ( spelling?) jumped the gun somewhat and that didn't seem to
    work out too well for them.
        As for the patent done by Dunnowho's Kidding or whatever they're called you can't
     really gain much insight from that, although they're probably laughing all the way to
     the bank!
                    John.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2312 on: April 21, 2014, 07:14:20 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2313 on: April 21, 2014, 10:05:34 PM »
Tom, you have repeated your same appeals without evidence for many many posts now.  Your professed beliefs in violations of established science without supporting evidence have turned into obvious trolling.

Offline powercat

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2314 on: April 21, 2014, 10:16:59 PM »
Mark:

Ah, the old "lost notebooks" ploy.  That is almost as good as the "I signed an NDA so I can't show any evidence" ploy.  Stefan should add a line to the TOS for this website that demands that anyone who makes a free energy claim must show proof, and NOT demand that others de-bunk it.  Otherwise, TK's unicorn in his backyard might be eligible for the OU prize.

Bill

Agree,
claimants persistently claiming without some kind of control on their posting "I have achieved free energy", should always be challenged, and if found lacking some kind of control would seem reasonable.  Before we end up with more and more pages going nowhere but argument.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2314 on: April 21, 2014, 10:16:59 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2315 on: April 21, 2014, 10:26:51 PM »
Agree,
claimants persistently claiming without some kind of control on their posting "I have achieved free energy", should always be challenged, and if found lacking some kind of control would seem reasonable.  Before we end up with more and more pages going nowhere but argument.
But how do we know that there isn't a colony of nanosized leprechauns living under some grain of sand: somewhere?  How do we know that if we just great them with the right offering they won't supply us with endless riches?  How do we know they weren't crushed by MH370?

Oh, that's right:  We don't need to know. 

Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2316 on: April 22, 2014, 03:36:26 AM »
See Mark,, there you go off the deep end again.

I have not claimed violations of established science,, but if science needs to change then that is another thing altogether.

I understood science to be always changing, moving forward ever so slowly with the advent of new information,, is this a wrong view?

 
This should be expanded to include those that can not control themselves or their responses.  We should hope to keep a civil environment.

Repeated posts of the same thing, name calling, slander, all that kind of stuff.
Sure Tom.  Tell yourself that you've been doing anything other than trolling for a very long time now.  Maybe you can convince yourself.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2316 on: April 22, 2014, 03:36:26 AM »
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Offline minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2317 on: April 22, 2014, 08:45:09 AM »



   Right Webby,
                     it's time you showed us how to get at this "bunch of free work".
    Instead of arguing with Mark, get and rebuild the five riser and show us all!
        As far as I can see the bunch of free work on this forum has come from
    the likes of Koala, MarkE and Poynt.
        Let me give you a clue, you won't do it mathematically unless you can
    change the acceleration due to gravity, the density of water or the dimension
    of your ZED during a cycle.
       Another clue is that a good quality spring can be 98% efficient, there's
    no way a hydraulic system is going to better that.
                              John.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2318 on: May 02, 2014, 10:57:21 PM »
1st time poster, long time reader....

MR Wayne, You have DONE IT!!

I will post more later on the working model that will hopefully power my cabin come next week.

You were right ALL along...but I couldn't open my eyes till recently!!!...like a gem among pebbles right in front of me the whole time...

again I will expound later!!

Power On!!

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2318 on: May 02, 2014, 10:57:21 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2319 on: May 03, 2014, 10:35:32 PM »
1st time poster, long time reader....

MR Wayne, You have DONE IT!!

I will post more later on the working model that will hopefully power my cabin come next week.

You were right ALL along...but I couldn't open my eyes till recently!!!...like a gem among pebbles right in front of me the whole time...

again I will expound later!!

Power On!!
No, Wayne Travis has not done any of the extraordinary things that he has claimed.  You can hope all you want, but you will not get any free energy from lifting and lowering weights, including weights composed partially or fully of water volumes.

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2320 on: May 03, 2014, 10:48:44 PM »
Farce Wars:  Attack of the WayneBots.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2320 on: May 03, 2014, 10:48:44 PM »
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2321 on: May 03, 2014, 10:54:42 PM »
Farce Wars:  Attack of the WayneBots.

If not Wayne himself posting under an alias.  We have all seen that he can not resist posting over here for more than a few days.  First post?  Sure.....

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Offline minnie

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2322 on: May 03, 2014, 11:11:29 PM »



   Hello LatGrav,
                      great to hear that you've solved the ZED riddle. Nobody on here has come up
   with solution of how it works. You must be well advanced with your ZED if you're going to
   be powering your cabin by next week.
      So far Webby appears to be doing the best, he's posted a picture of his garden shed with
   with an amazing pump reaching high into the air.
       The Tinselzed is a good attempt, it goes well but then it stops.
    Good luck and keep everyone informed as to how your ZED is performing
                John.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2323 on: May 04, 2014, 06:18:29 PM »
The only reason the TinselZed stops is because its reservoirs get full and empty. Think of this like the "leaks" that always result in the Zeds stopping. If someone replaced the material that leaks from a Zed, (that is, replacing the losses) the Zed would run without stopping as well, producing exactly as much power as you are putting in by replacing the losses.

And with the TinselZed, if one removes water from the output reservoir and keeps the input reservoir filled to a constant level, it too will run without stopping. By using very large cleverly designed reservoirs, as Heron of Alexandria did, all those years ago, the thing will run as long as the inspectors stick around, and the reservoirs can be re-equalized at night, by donkey pumps, when nobody is looking.

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Re: Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED
« Reply #2324 on: May 04, 2014, 06:19:42 PM »
1st time poster, long time reader....

MR Wayne, You have DONE IT!!

I will post more later on the working model that will hopefully power my cabin come next week.

You were right ALL along...but I couldn't open my eyes till recently!!!...like a gem among pebbles right in front of me the whole time...

again I will expound later!!

Power On!!

No, not Travis's sock puppet. Not nearly enough disfluencies, typos, and odd speling.

 

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