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Author Topic: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.  (Read 7144 times)

Offline synchro1

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Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« on: February 12, 2014, 08:40:37 PM »

I came across this video of Tinselkoala's Charrier effect simply with permanent magnets, by Ottavio Pergolizzi; With no electrical coil pulse. What's the permanent magnet motive force driving this horizontal torsion geomagnetic pendulum oscillation, that requires circuital amperian currents in TK's version? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehUg9emjpqM

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Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« on: February 12, 2014, 08:40:37 PM »

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 10:57:55 PM »
1. The Charrier "effect" is not mine (if it exists at all) .... it is Dimitri Charrier's claim to have demonstrated a microNewton scale thrust from an electromagnetic thruster. However he does not measure thrust directly, but rather infers it from tiny measured displacements of his pendulum test article.

2. What I've been doing in my investigation of Charrier's claims is to examine his experimental setup to see if such tiny thrusts can be detected in the first place, over and above all the noise from environmental sources.

3. As can be seen from watching my videos, when the test article is stimulated with current delivered according to Charrier's claims in the paper, there are very strong interactions with the surrounding magnetic environment, nearby metals and probably the Earth's magnetic field.

4. A friend of mine is carrying on a personal communication with Charrier in an attempt to clear up some of the ambiguities in Charrier's original report. For example, Charrier doesn't report actual waveforms of the stimulation applied to his coil, and the parameters he does cite are problematic. We still do not know the exact voltages and currents Charrier used. Certainly when I stimulate my coil with pulses at the slowest frequencies Charrier used, at the voltage level he cites, I see very strong torsional motions that completely override any tiny micro-meter displacements that Charrier measured and from which he inferred the tiny microNewton thrusts.

5. Charrier's work is remarkable for the "cleanness" of his reported data, and for the goodness of fit of his data to his mathematical model. At this point it is incomprehensible to me how he was able to obtain this data. There is something wrong with the levels of current he cites in his 2012 Applied Physics Letters paper.

Charrier explains his paper in a video here, where you can see still photos of his apparatus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzggynd5ZoQ

My work so far is contained in four videos, which mostly show the large torsional oscillations that Charrier seems not to have experienced.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa_x7_U5azGdKoHsvkCR9eKh&feature=mh_lolz

Now...

6. What does that video from Pergolizzi have to do with my work with the Charrier claims? Nothing, I think. It is unpowered, it is hanging in air, it is hung by a single wire not two.... and it's swinging in torsion, and will continue to swing for quite some time. So? It needs no power input because it is dissipating very little power in the first place. Pendulums like this can effectively couple environmental vibrations into the torsional and vertical pendulum modes and without some damping, can literally continue swinging for longer than you can watch them. So?


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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2014, 12:13:34 AM »
Tinsel
I shared you work here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16541-viktor-grebbennikov-cavity-structural-effect-2.html#post250608
 
Doug [the thread Author]will be trying some _Motion Experiments_ based on the alleged "Gravity capacitor".
 
 
thanks for sharing your work
Chet
 
 
 

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2014, 12:13:34 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2014, 12:32:26 AM »
Oh, that'll get them going all right. They love me over there, ever since the Little Miss Mosfet days.

You sure do get me into a lot of trouble, Chet !

 ;)

(What's Doug doing, pulling wings off flies and beetles or something?)

Offline ramset

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2014, 12:51:44 AM »
I believe Doug will be investigating this
 
repost below
Grumpy Posted this At OUR [very cool stuff ]

This is the link to the OUR forum
Viktor Grebbennikov: "The flying Russian's" Cavity Structural Effect



Grumpy Quote

""check this out:
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documen...citorArray.pdf

click "view source" here:
Yahoo Groups

first "view source" post references this link:
http://www.amasci.com/caps/capworks.txt

and this link:
WEIRD SCIENCE: The Morton Effect

should be able to figure something out from these

EDIT:

better link
Gravity Capacitor
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thx
Chet
ps
I believe your research will be appreciated wherever it is shared.

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2014, 12:51:44 AM »
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Offline lumen

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2014, 01:42:36 AM »
Isn't that "Electronic Rocket" really an ion thruster and it's pushing the air through for thrust.

Without air it no longer produces thrust?



Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2014, 02:01:03 AM »
Isn't that "Electronic Rocket" really an ion thruster and it's pushing the air through for thrust.

Without air it no longer produces thrust?

It's hard to see how Charrier's reported thrust could be ionic thrust, since the voltage levels are so low. Thermal effects are also ruled out by the "instant on" nature of the deflection Charrier reported in his paper.

As far as I can tell, Charrier is driving his article with the direct output of a Hameg arbitrary waveform generator (a Function Generator) with a normal nominal peak output level of 20 volts p-p (50 ohm output impedance). When it's feeding the coil, apparently the voltage sags quite a bit, since the currents in his coil don't seem to be great enough to produce the kinds of interactions that I see with my supply of an _actual_ 20 or 24 volts, with corresponding currents determined by Ohm's Law.


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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2014, 02:58:52 AM »
A signal generator? I thought this was a DC device, like a capacitor.

The effect sounds interesting though and I was thinking of making a Die to trim out the patterns from wax paper and aluminum foil. Though they say tin foil possibly so one can solder to it. If cut with a die it could be a single piece with the tabs connected and would be very easy to make thousands of layers.





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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2014, 04:14:23 PM »
@TK,
Sorry, I was looking at one of the stories posted by ramset about the "Electronic Rocket".

Your videos show something much different and are likely working with the local magnetic field as you show.

I found out some time back that the earths magnetic field is actually quite strong. Enough to flip a N50 neo in a drop less than 12".



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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2014, 04:14:23 PM »
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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2014, 08:40:52 PM »
Here's a picture of our Galaxy's magnetic pole bubbles:

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2014, 07:54:08 PM »

Permanent magnetic vortex propulsion MicroNewton scale thrust? Is the power stored in the twisted string free energy, or tallow fried Wonton and side order of Carp soup? How about Pergolizzi and Dr. Stiffler?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogmnYpyH3kw

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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
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Re: Tinselkoala's Charrier experiments.
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2014, 09:44:59 PM »
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