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Offline Cadman

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How to use our free energy
« on: January 29, 2014, 07:53:01 PM »
As far as I can tell this issue has not been addressed on this forum. My apologies if it has been.

The issue? What to do with the relatively high frequency output from our devices, how best to use it to power our homes during power outages and other times?
I have given this a lot of thought and it seems the options are limited.

As a target I chose 120vac 3500 watts continuous, 5000 watts peak.

The problem to solve:
Given a sufficiently large a bank of 400 volt 60uf caps pulse charged to 300 volts what would be the best way to convert this to 120 vac 50-60 Hz mains voltage? The more economical the better.

Possible solutions:
1. Use the caps energy to keep battery banks charged for use with an inverter, and swap batteries as needed.

2. Use these caps to power a bank of 10 350w-500w peak MSW inverters.
        Could these inverters be paralleled for double or triple wattage?

3. Drive an electric motor coupled to a generator head.

So far I am leaning toward option 2 because an inverter of this size can be made somewhat easily with a couple of transistors, a handful of resistors, a smoothing cap and a rewired microwave oven transformer.

I welcome any comments, ideas or suggestions.

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How to use our free energy
« on: January 29, 2014, 07:53:01 PM »

Offline forest

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 09:01:17 PM »
Either Don Smith style : store in cap then use inverter converting directly from caps to AC quasi or pure sinus or modulate to 50Hz in device and filter via LC filter.

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 10:08:51 PM »
Hi forest,

I appreciate your comment.
Don Smith style, eh? More reading for me... :)

Seriously, when you say 'store in cap then use inverter' do you mean switch out the charged cap and use inverter, or run the inverter while the cap is still being pulse charged?

As for 'modulate to 50Hz in device and filter via LC filter' I'm afraid you lost me there, I'm an industrial design engineer, not EE. As this is a lot of watts to handle could you offer any insight as to how this modulation and filtering could be designed? Do you mean the LC inductor would be a transformer primary?

Sorry for all the questions but this is a serious issue for me, it's not idle speculation. I really need to learn a good way to provide smooth power to the inverter(s), preferably while the caps are still being pulse charged. By smooth I mean 48VDC without fluctuating outside of 40-60VDC.

If anyone else would like to join in, I'm all ears.

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Re: How to use our free energy
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Offline forest

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 06:42:06 AM »
Sorry, I only said theoretically .... I know that newest inverters are build with ferrite core transformers and a storage caps in the middle : first they chop DC from battery into high frequency, store in 400V cap and then create square, quasi-sine  or sine wave output 230VC AC. That last part is what is needed to get AC from cap. This is Don Smith style because he presented something like that in one of his lecture , storing energy in large 8kV oil caps, he also (in his pdf book) included schematic of  simplified multivibrator to produce output - not complete schematic but an idea...
Second way I believe is used by Tariel Kapanadze, Sr913 and others, but I don't know how it works.

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 07:13:03 AM »
My advice would be to disconnect the device and use whatever power supply it used  directly. Far simpler and the efficiency will be higher.

Following that invest the money saved in buying a proper integrating power analyser and use it to measure the output of your device and realise you have been fooling yourself.

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Offline Farmhand

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 02:01:38 PM »
Personally if you have some free energy then I would likely use a combination of simple square wave inverters for lighting and regular resistive loads as well as drive a generator head for inductive loads from another electric motor of some kind. You just can't beat AC power produced by a rotating generator for simplicity and handling inductive loads, in my opinion. With the inverters you could take 120 volts DC and turn it into 120 volts AC, which would be more efficient that stepping up from lower voltage using more primary current.
If you're handy with electronics you can make a modified square wave and filter it for smaller inductive loads like fans and stuff. What do you think ?

What are you're idea's for a motor to generator setup ? Simple DC motor direct driving a gen head with a good flywheel ? 

Some folks don't get you. Obviously.  ;) Free energy is everywhere. Use it up and feel good about it.  :)

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 03:32:45 PM »
My advice would be to disconnect the device and use whatever power supply it used  directly. Far simpler and the efficiency will be higher.

Following that invest the money saved in buying a proper integrating power analyser and use it to measure the output of your device and realise you have been fooling yourself.

Exactly.
I have noticed that the claimants of electronic FE devices _never_ use such integrating power analyzers in their work. The best we've seen is the consumer grade "kill-o-watt" type plug-in line power analyzers. Loads are generally the de rigueur bank of light bulbs with their labelled wattage considered as output when the bulbs glow, or the usual fans and drill motors.
Rossi's E-cat demonstrations have, some of them, used a decent low-end lab grade power monitor, but it was used outside its specification range and otherwise improperly, and due to the nature of his claims it could not be used on the output, only the input of his device.

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Re: How to use our free energy
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Offline Cadman

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2014, 01:15:29 AM »
@ forest
Thank you for clarifying. I'll take the information as an area deserving further study.

@ Farmhand
Right now inverters appear to be the easiest route. I agree whole heartedly that a 120v to 120v inverter would be great, but a commercial 120VDC powered inverter is thousands of dollars that I don't have and I lack the knowledge to build one. See I'm in the same boat as a whole lot of other people :)

I couldn't agree more that a generator head is the way to go if you need to power refrigerators or freezers etc. Since I do have that need I have a 3500 watt gas engine generator for that. The problem with that is the gas. 5 gallons is good for about 8 hours continuous = $20. I could convert it to LP but that is out of the question now; the price of LP just went up over 300% in less than 30 days where I live. If I fill my 500 gal LP  tank today it will cost almost $4000 and that will last for less than three months just heating my home.

Sorry, back to topic.. As you know, driving a generator head with an electric motor is a loss. Ufopolitics gave it a valiant effort though didn't he? However, if there are watts to spare it would be worth the loss just to get away from the crippling cost of fuel. Perhaps the best motor would be a high efficiency 230v 3 phase induction motor around 10HP with FLA rating right at 20 amps? But, there's another problem to solve there.

Since it looks like the method of generating free electricity may be close to being revealed (IMHO), a do-it-yourself method of transforming it into a usable mains supply that we can use now is a priority.

@ LibreEnergia and TinselKoala
It was tempting to ignore your comments, but...
I found it somewhat revealing and quite presumptuous of you to state and agree that it would be better “ to disconnect the device and use whatever power supply it used directly. Far simpler and the efficiency will be higher. ”
Neither one of you have a clue what type of power supply I have, yet you come to this thread where I am seeking a solution to a technical problem and present negative statements regarding free energy. If you two are so sure that free energy is a waste of time, a pipe dream, or can't exist without "proper measurements” then what are you doing here on a forum about over unity power? And that's all I have to say about that.

Best regards to all of you.
 

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 11:17:21 PM »

@ LibreEnergia and TinselKoala
It was tempting to ignore your comments, but...
I found it somewhat revealing and quite presumptuous of you to state and agree that it would be better “ to disconnect the device and use whatever power supply it used directly. Far simpler and the efficiency will be higher. ”
Neither one of you have a clue what type of power supply I have, yet you come to this thread where I am seeking a solution to a technical problem and present negative statements regarding free energy. If you two are so sure that free energy is a waste of time, a pipe dream, or can't exist without "proper measurements” then what are you doing here on a forum about over unity power? And that's all I have to say about that.

Best regards to all of you.

So it may have been somewhat flippantly described but the intent is clear. If you believe you have an over unity device you owe it to yourself to first measure the output accurately to confirm the fact. It is pointless to seek a technical solution to a problem that may not exist.

I say this in an over-unity forum as numerous people before you have assumed they had an OU device but were fooled by the nature of the output power and the measurement technology they used.


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Re: How to use our free energy
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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2014, 03:40:27 AM »
Ok I may have been a little too touchy. I started with, GIVEN a bank of caps...

But I ask you this, if I can charge that bank of caps with no more starting energy than the energy it takes to flick my wrist one time, why would I need to measure the energy in those caps to know if they had more energy than was input?

Some things are just plain self evident.

Offline LibreEnergia

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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2014, 03:59:21 AM »
Ok I may have been a little too touchy. I started with, GIVEN a bank of caps...

But I ask you this, if I can charge that bank of caps with no more starting energy than the energy it takes to flick my wrist one time, why would I need to measure the energy in those caps to know if they had more energy than was input?

Some things are just plain self evident.

1. 'IF' you had a device that could charge a bank of caps with no external energy input then I'd agree, you'd need a technical solution to the issue of converting it to a usable power form.

2. 'IF' you had a bank of caps that is charged by some device that that consumes an external energy source, then before working out how to use the output I would first be confirming that the ENERGY balance of (energy out)  minus  (energy in) is positive.

Reading between the lines I'd say you have device best described by scenario 2 and you have not yet absolutely confirmed the energy balance.




 


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Re: How to use our free energy
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2014, 02:40:41 PM »
Big IFs aren't they? :D You are entitled to your own opinion.

However, the method I use to get the bank of caps charged is irrelevant to the topic.

I am still interested in other solutions to the original scenario I presented.

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