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Title: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: magnetman12003 on February 04, 2014, 01:34:24 AM
Are there any corporation, company, or organizations that are not afraid to rock the big oil interest boat and purchase upstart free energy devices and possibly market them? 
If so please post them here including address and list persons to contact working there.
I see many catagorys listed in this forum except the above where a person might try to either sell or market their new idea or device.
I hope this posting draws a lot of attention.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: Newton II on February 04, 2014, 05:35:56 AM
You have to build two devices.  One device which shows just perpetual motion and not of any practical use.  Another device fit for practical and commercial use.   With first device you have to make scientific community to believe that perpetual motion / overunity is possible. Once scientific community accepts that overunity is possible,  you have to push through the second commercial device.  These two devices should work on different priciples.  If not scientists are intelligent enough to grasp the idea and develop it.

Unless you make scientific community to accept that overunity is possible,  nobody would dare to purchase a OU device since lot of fakery and fraud is involved in it.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: magnetman12003 on February 04, 2014, 06:19:11 AM
You have to build two devices.  One device which shows just perpetual motion and not of any practical use.  Another device fit for practical and commercial use.   With first device you have to make scientific community to believe that perpetual motion / overunity is possible. Once scientific community accepts that overunity is possible,  you have to push through the second commercial device.  These two devices should work on different priciples.  If not scientists are intelligent enough to grasp the idea and develop it.

Unless you make scientific community to accept that overunity is possible,  nobody would dare to purchase a OU device since lot of fakery and fraud is involved in it.

I have heard that the word overunity ( Perpetual Motion) means you have built a continuous self runner.  If thats the case no one yet has done that as you can not power something from nothing.  Hovever you can use a tiny force to trip a huge force to operate a device  The huge foce may come from some unknown energy source.  My generator cant power itself from the output of a huge force.
 In other words its almost human in the fact that "We dont eat what we excrete".     Check  out my below video link.
Any ideas ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ifzVJ30o-A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ifzVJ30o-A)
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Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: Newton II on February 04, 2014, 08:39:29 AM
Just by seeing the video it is difficult to assertain what is happenning in there. 

I assume that coil is fed with AC ( converted from 24V DC), rotor is magnetic material and output coil is wound over input coil.  I can think of only flux addition happening in that device.  The huge magnetic material rotor used produces its own flux by induction which is getting added with the flux produced by the coil, so you are getting magnified out put from the secondary. This addition of flux matters I think is already discussed in several threads in this forum.  This arrangement is same as adding a secondary coil on the stator winding of an induction motor for example a simple AC fan with solid rotor.  Inaddition you have provided some electronic circuit.

I think gyulasun is the right person to comment on this....   over to gyulasun.


Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 03:26:15 AM
That question: "What industries are interested in promoting  free energy?" is purely hypothetical; make and conclusively demonstrate one, and the world WILL beat a path to your door. I personally know people who will bring it to market, but no such device has been demonstrated.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: CANGAS on February 05, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
That question: "What industries are interested in promoting  free energy?" is purely hypothetical; make and conclusively demonstrate one, and the world WILL beat a path to your door. I personally know people who will bring it to market, but no such device has been demonstrated.

Well, memoryman, since you "personally know people", it would be delightful to me, and, I would think, to the OP magnetman, if you would simply divulge the identity and contact information of the HELPFUL PEOPLE.

IDENTITY........

CONTACT INFORMATION.....



thx, you so sweet... ::)
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 01:55:38 PM
CANGAS, I will not do that until I personally am sure that the device performs as claimed. Why would I divulge the identity of people who trust me? 
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 05, 2014, 02:53:11 PM
I guess nobody interested in doing R&D and develop something.
But everyone want get working device and do money selling it :-)
In other words, no industries are interested in promoting  free energy.
 :-X
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 03:08:59 PM
vasik041, we differ on where to spend our resources of time and money. I personally am involved in Thorium applications; that does not qualify as 'free energy', but that has a much greater probability of producing a real product than gravity, magnet motor or similar efforts.
Most organisations look at the risk/benefit ratio of investing.
You can do things for profit and still help others; these are not mutually exclusive, as I pointed out to several inventors.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 05, 2014, 03:40:38 PM
Well, I agree, profit and common good are not mutually exclusive.
In my understanding Free Energy is more about freedom rather than cheap energy prices. If we would spend same money (=efforts) developing FE as we spend e.g. developing computer screens or mobile phones we would have FE powering every home by now :-)
But I don't think that guys like you will ever invest in others people freedom... but  keep developing some well centralized and easy controllable techs...
Please don't take it personal. I have nothing against you and have no intention to abuse you.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 03:58:01 PM
All energy is 'free'; the extraction and conversion to a usable form is not free. Freedom is not absolute or even real: it is a choice we make as individuals. It is an interpretation of our what happens around us.
"But I don't think that guys like you will ever invest in others people freedom... but  keep developing some well centralized and easy controllable techs..." interesting, you know nothing about me, and yet you already have an opinion...You actually sound bitter and resigned.
Most people don't care whether the energy they use comes from 'free' energy or not. Thorium is a plentiful energy source with few drawbacks; it can supply us with our energy needs for thousands of years.
I liken the search for OU devices to the 'dangling carrot'; while the horse chases the carrot, he is oblivious to the easily accessible food around him.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 05, 2014, 04:54:56 PM
I said "you" because I understand your words

"I personally am involved in Thorium applications; that does not qualify as 'free energy', but that has a much greater probability of producing a real product than gravity, magnet motor or similar efforts. Most organisations look at the risk/benefit ratio of investing. "

in a way that you in the the company of people who care more about profit rather common sense...

Everyone have to make a choice, whether behave as a human or as a horse  :)

Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
You look at it as am absolute choice; either/or. You can also see it as both/and. I am not talking about 'the truth', but an empowering way to live a life. And I am very much involved in empowering people, in a very practical way. (I am the chair of a small charity, committed to having unemployed people get back into the workplace)
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 05, 2014, 05:55:12 PM
Interesting.

So, what brought you to this forum ? Why you are  interested in Free Energy ?



Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 06:34:19 PM
I have been interested in the energy field for decades (not necessarily for personal gain).
I have followed several threads for years, here and on PESN, and I am a moderator on Revolution-Green.
Just have not bothered to register here before.
I am not here to lecture or convince posters, but offer an alternative view; not the 'truth' but a view that nobody has to accept.
In the past I have followed interesting articles; many of your posters (MarkE, TinselKoala to name two) are very knowledgable and I learn from them.
Some have become friends with me.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 05, 2014, 07:13:02 PM
I am also following this forum probably for 10 years now.
Unfortunately I don't see any significant progress, people "running in circles", making same mistakes, repeating same experiments. Noise level is very high and no coordinated research done...Every newcomer have to start himself from very beginning.

Actually it is not specific for this forum, it's common issue. :(

Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 07:35:41 PM
Yes, the vast majority of 'free energy' could save themselves countless hours and untold amounts of money by just learning proper measurement, physics, scientific methods, first principles etc.
Imagine an rank amateur (such as I) thinking that they could perform brain surgery, without doing a lot of learning.
IMHO, the educational system is not up to the task.
I keep going because my commitment to making a difference is greater than the 'noise'.
And, even if you think that the world is coming to an end, technology won't 'save' us. We need a transformation in how we relate to the world and each other.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 05, 2014, 08:05:27 PM
I think real change can be achieved only if people start organizing and cooperating, something like open source in software needed. Not a news site or wiki full of nonsense but group of organized people, working together to achieve the goal...


Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 08:27:57 PM
So, are you actively involved? What role are YOU willing to take on? How will you make a difference?
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 05, 2014, 09:02:34 PM
 Well, I am doing FE research in my free time.
 After 10 years doing it silently, I decided share some of my results (see vasik041.wordpress.com)
 I started a yahoo group last October. I published some documents.
 It is just a beginning and kind of experiment to see what will come out of it.
 
 "Difference" can be made in many ways
 - by collecting information about FE devices and providing reliable, well structured info
 - analyzing available information and theories
 - testing and doing replication attempts
 - publication of results, accumulating reliable data to help newcomers
 - education efforts
 
 But common perception of FE is that it's a scam or it is impossible.
 So finding proper people and organizing is a difficult part :-)
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 06, 2014, 04:19:40 AM
If FE means breaking LoT1 than it has a lot of skepticism to overcome. There has not one instance demonstrated that breaking LoT1 can be done. All examples that I have seen (limited) fail. I have been involved in several attempts. There is not now, never was and never will be a shortage of energy: only the FORM may be an issue. Given that, the search for FE takes on a different look. After all, all energy IS free; the money is needed for extraction, conversion, storage, distribution, manufacturing, transportation and implementation. And some profit...
It will be very difficult to find an investor who is willing to risk substantial money on a highly speculative (some say impossible) project: an OU device.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 06, 2014, 06:24:09 AM
"IMHO, the educational system is not up to the task."

Before applying the law shouldn’t you check conditions when it works?
From quantum perspective, can you imagine”isolated” system in real life?
  ;)
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: CANGAS on February 06, 2014, 08:41:35 AM
If FE means breaking LoT1 than it has a lot of skepticism to overcome. There has not one instance demonstrated that breaking LoT1 can be done. All examples that I have seen (limited) fail. I have been involved in several attempts. There is not now, never was and never will be a shortage of energy: only the FORM may be an issue. Given that, the search for FE takes on a different look. After all, all energy IS free; the money is needed for extraction, conversion, storage, distribution, manufacturing, transportation and implementation. And some profit...
It will be very difficult to find an investor who is willing to risk substantial money on a highly speculative (some say impossible) project: an OU device.


What is LoT1? If you insist in talking in a language known only to yourself, you are proving yourself to be unwilling to communicate.

QUOTE..."It will be very difficult to find an investor who is willing to risk substantial money on a highly speculative (some say impossible) project: an OU device."

A few posts back, you were telling us that you had investors in your back pocket that were eager to invest in OU. Were you lying THEN, or, are you lying NOW?


post 3 and counting. CANGAS.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 06, 2014, 10:03:20 AM
LoT1 = First law of Thermodynamics
"The first law of thermodynamics is a version of the law of conservation of energy, adapted for thermodynamic systems. The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics



Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: CANGAS on February 06, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
LoT1 = First law of Thermodynamics
"The first law of thermodynamics is a version of the law of conservation of energy, adapted for thermodynamic systems. The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics


LOL  ;D.

I first read of the laws of thermodynamics 6 decades ago. This is the first time I ever heard of a jerk call it by an obscure code name and supposedly expect the reader to understand what the jerk was talking about.

Do you believe that we should try to COMMUNICATE  on this board, or, always try to play silly tricks on each other?

Never mind, I think I can guess which you want to do.   ::)



post 4 and counting. CANGAS.
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: vasik041 on February 06, 2014, 02:49:04 PM
CANGAS, what is your opinion on the thread's topic ?
Do you think somebody interested in promoting  free energy?
Title: Re: What industrys are interested in promoting free energy?
Post by: memoryman on February 06, 2014, 03:29:44 PM
CANGAS,I am surprised that you had never heard of LoT1; I see it used in many different places.
Communication occurs differently for each one; calling posters derogatory names such as 'jerk' does not clarify anything.
I stated that I know of several potential investors; they will invest in whatever they deem suitable. Please show specific the post where I said 'invest in OU'.
As nobody ever demonstrated a single example of OU (surplus energy coming from ZPE, wheelwork of nature), they never had to consider it.
My contention is that the resources used to pursue OU may be more effectively used on bringing more conventional technology to market (such as Thorium reactors).