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Author Topic: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?  (Read 5252 times)

Offline MacGyver

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Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« on: August 21, 2006, 09:49:35 PM »
I've never built any permanent magnet motors, I stumbled onto your forum yesturday and had an idea to get over what you all call locking.
If you've seen it before, let me know that too.

Ok, I can't draw, so no pictures, but I'll try to describe what I'm thinking of.

First, setup like most others i've seen with say: 16 cylinder magnets in the outer edge of a rotating disc, so that the pos. is on one side and the neg. is on the other side, depending on size, take say 16 of these discs, and put them on a shaft thats curved into a full circle, do the math so that the disc to the right of each one is set just before the locking point, do the same all around the doughnut, so that each plates magnets are repeling the plates next to them, I think the total number of plates may have to be odd though. +--++--+

Anyway, each plate wants to push the plate next to it away (rotate away), and this folows around the circle back on to itself, which would keep going.

I don't know if alot of plates would be needed to make the angle to each other less, or if the edge of the discs inside the doughnut would repel enough on their own.

Can someone tell me the reason why this is wrong.


Almost forgot, perhaps a sort of ratchet on each disc, so they only will rotate one way.
Sorry.

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2006, 10:34:51 PM »
Trying to picture it here... Kinda tough without actually looking at something... if you can plz draw a Paint sketch of your device and post it here.. I think you might be along the lines of the Bowman's motor...http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/MagneticMotors/BMM/

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 11:11:01 PM »
ok like i said, can't draw, so don't laugh.

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Offline tbird

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2006, 11:54:14 PM »
hi MacGyver,

from the drawing in the center left, the disk would have only enough movement to get in balance.  probably each magnet on the first disk would end up half way (if even #) between the mags on the next disk until all forces were equal down the line. then it would stop.

i think what you were trying to describe would be like a wave effect.  to see this better, if you straigthened out the rod so all disk were inline and turned the first so it made the 2nd turn which made the 3rd turn and so on until it reached the end.  now to make the last turn the first, you want to bend the rod into a circle so the last will effect the first.

does this sound like what you were thinking?

tbird

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2006, 12:42:23 AM »
yes, like a wave, if it was straightened out.
if the discs were heavy enough, would the momentum keep it going?
once it was moving could a small pulse be applied into it to keep it from reaching a balance.
would that many magnetic fields in motion, if inducted into coils surrounding the whole thing , be larger then the small kick needed to keep the whole array of magnets moving around?

if not, could you use ALOT of discs in a LARGE doughnut, if they only can go one way, and they all are the same, wouldn't moving one, move all the others, or would the coils surrounding it create alot of drag?


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Offline tbird

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 01:31:27 AM »
hi MacGyver,

from your statements above it sounds like you will need enough force to turn all disks.  will that get you any closer to your goal?

maybe you should have a look at this guys unit

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Paul_Harry_Sprain_magnet_motor

there are many others you can read about too that might help you down a productive path.  i know it takes a lot of time to go thru all the material, but in the long run it will save you time, frustration and money.  try not to reinvent the wheel before you know how the current ones are built.

keep up the enthusiasm!!

tbird

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 06:15:28 AM »
Hi MacGyver,

It sounds like what you are making is more or less like a magnetic gearing system where the force on one disk is transfered through the magnetic field all the way around the circle. in this case, whatever input you add would probably be eaten up by the friction of the rotating disks. You'll need some way to permanently unbalance the fields for the design to work, otherwise there won't be a constant sink for the wheel to want to rotate towards. e.g. the dog chasing it's tail analogy :-).

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Jason O

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Offline wizkycho

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2006, 04:29:06 PM »
I've never built any permanent magnet motors, I stumbled onto your forum yesturday and had an idea to get over what you all call locking.
If you've seen it before, let me know that too.

Ok, I can't draw, so no pictures, but I'll try to describe what I'm thinking of.

First, setup like most others i've seen with say: 16 cylinder magnets in the outer edge of a rotating disc, so that the pos. is on one side and the neg. is on the other side, depending on size, take say 16 of these discs, and put them on a shaft thats curved into a full circle, do the math so that the disc to the right of each one is set just before the locking point, do the same all around the doughnut, so that each plates magnets are repeling the plates next to them, I think the total number of plates may have to be odd though. +--++--+

Anyway, each plate wants to push the plate next to it away (rotate away), and this folows around the circle back on to itself, which would keep going.

I don't know if alot of plates would be needed to make the angle to each other less, or if the edge of the discs inside the doughnut would repel enough on their own.

Can someone tell me the reason why this is wrong.


Almost forgot, perhaps a sort of ratchet on each disc, so they only will rotate one way.
Sorry.

Nice idea with two major problems. Very expensive and if it would work it wouldn't work for long because
You are using repell forces (push) which will eventually "deplete" magnets. If you make magnets more distanced
you won't "deplete" them that fast but will get very low energy output.
Other disadvantages - this would be very heavy and big.

but don't get discouraged... keep on thinking

Igor
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Offline MacGyver

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 02:38:02 PM »
Thanks for all the input, I think I'll look online for some neodymium magnets and play around (hopefully without loosing many fingers in the process). 

Also, I searched the forum and was unable to find any discusions on meta-materials (left-handed) here, I was wondering what the size of the split ring resonators in an array would have to be to manipulate a magnetic field.


Thanks again for all the input.

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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
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Re: Can someone smarter then me tell if this will work?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2006, 03:45:13 AM »
hi MacGyver,

from your statements above it sounds like you will need enough force to turn all disks.  will that get you any closer to your goal?

maybe you should have a look at this guys unit

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Paul_Harry_Sprain_magnet_motor

there are many others you can read about too that might help you down a productive path.  i know it takes a lot of time to go thru all the material, but in the long run it will save you time, frustration and money.  try not to reinvent the wheel before you know how the current ones are built.

keep up the enthusiasm!!

tbird

A video of the machine running. Do they claim power input to the solenoid is less than can be created by the
machine's rotary motion?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2703180506289064827&q=free+energy&hl=en

If Steorn's concept is proven to work as claimed, maybe a shield/magnet arrangement would do the trick?

 

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