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Author Topic: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor  (Read 178629 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2014, 08:25:51 AM »
"keep it stupidly simple" - if you would have self running magnetic motor, no electrical parts are needed for a proof as mechanical measurements are enough ;)

Yes, that's exactly what it is - simply stupid.  ;D
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« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2014, 09:39:51 AM »
Careful asking Wasif to run the magnet motor alone without the generator. I believe he can do that, but not without a hidden ac feed from the mains. From the audible hum in the first video, we know he is using a 220V 50hz ac motor to drive the device. I am pretty sure the ac motor is hidden in the front section of the fake magnet motor and the generator is totally hollow. My reasoning is that no torque whatsoever is ever being transmitted through the spring coupling  (except to a short fake front generator shaft that only weighs a few ounces). So if he removes the coupling, the mag motor will still appear to spin by itself.  Just sayin up front in case he has the audacity to play that card.

Agreed. Its very likely that the magnet motor is powered by a small built-in motor. However, the nails would still be needed unless he can come up with another way of supplying power to the motor. As there would no longer be a lamp load to power, he could use very thin insulated wire / ECW which would be difficult to detect on video. Better still, he might even be able to conceal a thin Lipo pack and small inverter in a cavity within the laminated timber base, so its quite possible that we will see another attempt from him. It will at least be guaranteed to increase his overall hit count!

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« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2014, 12:18:03 PM »
Funny indeed. A magnet motor without magnets.
There are a lot of empty holes in the setup, stator clamps and rotor, just a few seem to be filled at random.
And I'm not even sure about that.
Poorly drilled too these holes. 
Cannot work that way.

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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2014, 01:11:48 PM »
Funny indeed. A magnet motor without magnets.
There are a lot of empty holes in the setup, stator clamps and rotor, just a few seem to be filled at random.
And I'm not even sure about that.
Poorly drilled too these holes. 
Cannot work that way.

Indeed. It looks to me like a discarded experimental setup that likely never worked, thus providing the incentive to fake a self-runner.  :(

The method of powering is interesting as this is along the lines that I think Kapanadze used to power his 'Green Box' device. In Kapanadze's case, the 'hot' wire is probably buried and instead of nailing into it, the bearded guy uses a magnetic coupling between the heel of his shoe and an exposed end of the wire.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2014, 03:19:51 AM »
Geeze, this sounds worse than Mylow.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2014, 03:32:24 AM »
Mylow had his stories about visits from the Men In Black.  Do you remember when Mylow told Sterling Allan that the Men In Black took Mylow to MiB HQ and showed him their magnet motors?

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« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2014, 04:34:40 AM »
Mylow had his stories about visits from the Men In Black.  Do you remember when Mylow told Sterling Allan that the Men In Black took Mylow to MiB HQ and showed him their magnet motors?

Yes, and I also recall the bird, and some guy named Tony (presumably Mylow's brother)  And, let's not forget the famous quote from Mylow to Tony on one of his videos...."You can turn it off now..."

Sterling still gets pissed if you mention the Mylow saga to him.  Reminds me of the saying...hook, line and sinker.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2014, 04:44:41 AM »
Mylow was a bad episode for Sterling Allan.  Several people resigned his New Energy Congress because Sterling kept supporting the obvious fake.  Even after Mylow was exposed by the video where both the fishing line and the motor were visible, even after Mylow confessed, Sterling kept supporting the idea that Mylow had a working all magnet motor.  It was months after Mylow's confession before Sterling Allan publicly accepted that Mylow was faking all along.  The experience does not seem to have improved Sterling's rush to support every new free energy claim that comes along.  Presently, Sterling Allan is strongly supporting Doug Myers' claims of a free energy box when no one has seen so much as even a preliminary demonstration.

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« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2014, 08:54:41 AM »
Yeah Sterling Allen has this propensity for overly positive attitudes. But that is necessary. He is the only one who consequently shows and lives that to cherish the chance that something might work that may not be missed is more important than to cherish a critical attitude of doubt and thus miss an important claim. Thus he is the greatest encouragement for any endeavor into the uncharted territories. And that is what we all need here at OU.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2014, 11:06:09 AM »
Sterling Allan has for many years fought a mostly good fight looking for highly improbable revolutionary energy developments.  He deserves applause for that.  Where I take exception is supporting ideas before there is any evidence and in propping up scams.  Sterling Allan recently wrote that he thinks that it is necessary to support those who are mistaken and even those who are scamming in order not to miss out on real developments.  I disagree with him on this.  The scams can't lead anywhere, and the mistaken ideas have very little chance of leading anywhere.  Even worse, the scams stain unusual ideas discouraging people from giving unusual ideas a look. 

Mistaken ideas are different than scams.  It's OK for people to make mistakes.  Mistakes and missteps are a normal part of the discovery process.   But once a mistake is found, it is time to be done with it and move on to something else.  Pretending that ideas that have been thoroughly vetted and found to offer no promise can work is just nonsense.  In many cases like looped motor <=> generator claims, Sterling ignores over 150 years of evidence and readily declares that each new such claim is true without bothering to check the claims first.  In every case so far all such claims have proven false for reasons that are well understood. 

Sterling Allan puts forward the odd idea that skeptics who expose the scams and/or determine the mistakes that honest inventors have made so far are keeping working breakthroughs from the market.  Neither skeptics nor believers can change nature.  If somebody comes up with a real breakthrough that works, it will hold up against the most rigorous skeptical review.  The flip side of that is that even the strongest and most sincere belief cannot make a concept that is wrong into something that works.

Sterling Allan has cried "Wolf!" so many times that his technology declarations no longer have any credibility at all.  He has recently further undermined his credibility with deep dives into psychic readings and his self-invented pseudoscience that he calls "alphabetics".  If those methods were reliable one would think that he would not have the degree of strife with long time associates that he has today.  Instead, Sterling has been "discovering" through his "alphabetics" and psychic readings that people who stood by him for years are now according to him: "double agents" under the control of dark forces out to undermine energy discoveries.  It has gotten so out of control that Sterling has declared that he has put some long time supporters on an "enemies list".  I think the last time I heard of anyone with an "enemies list" it was the Nixon White House.  It doesn't take a psychic to see that Sterling has gotten himself onto a bad path.



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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2014, 01:29:02 PM »
Sterling is a venue for releasing info ,as such I suppose people will seek him out,From there it is buyer beware.
 I suppose if we had more of an infrastructure as a community we could collectively support investigations on our own ,for instance the member DilJalaay
 offered to go have a look [he lives a few hours away].
it would be far cheaper to cover his Gas money than put someone on a plane with all the ancillary expenses associated with that.


We have the technology as well as the talent to make a good remote investigation quite effective with very small resources and a field representative.
as a matter of fact there are few places on this planet where we could not muster this type of investigation [local representatives].


although this device and the presentation would have to be explained in much better detail pryor to such an investigation.[Sounds and springs and missing things]


Thx
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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #71 on: February 05, 2014, 05:57:00 PM »
That's a fine idea. But what are the qualifications and abilities of the local representative?

Here's what I'd like to see: The local representative sets up a Skype or Google Hangout kind of live demonstration, and takes questions and suggestions from the watching audience of experts. The claimant cooperates with the suggested testing that is coming from the audience. The local representative can come prepared with suitable test equipment, that can be rented or borrowed locally if the rep or the claimant doesn't own them. Advice on the proper use of the proper equipment can come from the watching audience of experts. Let the recent Rosemary Ainslie demonstrations, guided by the experts, be an example! (But hopefully with a better camera and a bit more organization than Ainslie mustered.)

You'll never see anything like this being agreed to by fakers, though, and if it's not agreed to by the present claimant... you can wonder why.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2014, 06:19:11 PM »
Tinsel
Yes that sounds about right ,certain members work at this end ,the field guys get what they need on the other end and the People
running the Device demo would be assured of Qualified and Fair investigation.
Plus a Quick endorsement as Legit or………….?


In this case we have issues that would need to be resolved pryor to financing this trip [ which would be gas Money for DJ].


where there is a will there is a way .


This "model" will meet all criteria for people insisting on Viewers being accredited engineers or scientists ,and will go
a long way towards diminishing the Scammers ability to perpetrate  fraud .


We can Do this right here right now if need be. [well actually some of us already are]


thx
Chet




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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2014, 06:21:48 PM »
Sterling is a venue for releasing info ,as such I suppose people will seek him out,From there it is buyer beware.
 I suppose if we had more of an infrastructure as a community we could collectively support investigations on our own ,for instance the member DilJalaay
 offered to go have a look [he lives a few hours away].
it would be far cheaper to cover his Gas money than put someone on a plane with all the ancillary expenses associated with that.


We have the technology as well as the talent to make a good remote investigation quite effective with very small resources and a field representative.
as a matter of fact there are few places on this planet where we could not muster this type of investigation [local representatives].


although this device and the presentation would have to be explained in much better detail pryor to such an investigation.[Sounds and springs and missing things]


Thx
Chet
All over the world there are test laboratories that are well equipped to test claims like Wasif's.  India and Pakistan are no exceptions.  Inventors like Wasif sitting on top of what would be trillion dollar inventions can surely pay a few thousand dollars for a test report.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2014, 07:57:37 PM »
Sterling is a venue for releasing info ,as such I suppose people will seek him out,From there it is buyer beware.
 I suppose if we had more of an infrastructure as a community we could collectively support investigations on our own ,for instance the member DilJalaay
 offered to go have a look [he lives a few hours away].
it would be far cheaper to cover his Gas money than put someone on a plane with all the ancillary expenses associated with that.


We have the technology as well as the talent to make a good remote investigation quite effective with very small resources and a field representative.
as a matter of fact there are few places on this planet where we could not muster this type of investigation [local representatives].


although this device and the presentation would have to be explained in much better detail pryor to such an investigation.[Sounds and springs and missing things]


Thx
Chet


Dear Chet,
No problem for me to visit him, i called him,but he refused me to give me time and show his device.
He said that he is very busy nowadays for his project.


It is his cells no, yesterday i called him again, he did not attend my call.


I will try to call him tomorrow. If he agreed to show me his device then i will go there.


I am really surprise why is he adverting/publicity his device, instead of showing his device to some one to inspect and judge.


Best regards,


D.J

 

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