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Offline gezgin

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irish free energy device
« on: August 20, 2006, 12:14:36 PM »
today i read about irish (steorn)free energy device ,and waiting other scientists investigation results..

http://www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx

Steorn: inventors of infinite energy, destroyers of laws of thermodynamics?
Posted Aug 18th 2006 11:48AM by Ryan Block

We're sure most of you are well aware of the first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, and the second law, which states that putting energy into a system will always result in a loss in potential output -- these are the reasons why everybody buys gas, why we pay for electricity, and in many ways why the world economy is shaped the way it is. Which is why whenever someone comes along and says they've developed a technology that undermines hundreds of years of scientific study with the ability to create boundless amounts of free energy with no emissions, well, you have to imagine we'd cry snake oil -- but it would seem Steorn, claimers of such an absurdity, has already launched a PR campaign to circumvent naysayers such as ourselves. In fact, the Irish tech company issued an ad in The Economist announcing a challenge to 12 of the worlds' finest scientists -- to be chosen by them (hey, is Hwang Woo-suk available?) -- to step forward and disprove their infinite clean energy technology. And once their technology isn't disproved -- and they obviously believe that it won't be disproved -- they'll begin licensing it to the world's energy companies (and charitably freely licensing it for rural water purification and electricity generation). If it's the real deal then after all the congratulations are all over and we've reevaluated the fundamental underpinnings of physics as we know it, perhaps all humanity's energy ailments are finally going to come to a close. But the chances it could be a large PR hoax toying with our desperate need to revamp our global energy situation? Well, let's just hope Steorn proves us all wrong and changes science forever.


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irish free energy device
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Offline Clarky

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2006, 01:20:25 PM »
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Steorn is making three claims for its technology:

The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%.
The operation of the technology (i.e. the creation of energy) is not derived from the degradation of its component parts.
There is no identifiable environmental source of the energy (as might be witnessed by a cooling of ambient air temperature).

wayhay! atlast people are getting it right and saying COP instead of efficiencey :D

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 08:18:44 PM »
Will they narrow it down to 12 people - you know that'll have someone screaming "bias" no matter which 12 they choose or what method they use to choose.

How long will that take? How long will the validation procedure take? How will the results be made public? I assume the identities and credentials of those on the "jury" will be made public?

I also wonder what'll happen if they don't all agree, especially if it's evenly split.

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Offline mark australia

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2006, 10:21:36 PM »
They say it will take several months to test the results. I smell scam. Also they made comment no one committed to paper before...if you pay a professional scientist or researcher they always produce a report.
Mark

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2006, 02:05:21 AM »
Here is their patent:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2006035419&F=0&QPN=WO2006035419

Makes sense to me, slide the magnets past the shield,
as the next magnets are also attracted to the shield, it is
probably pretty easy to move the shield left and right.

But, if you need less energy to move the shield or the magnet base carrier
and have an output coil be induced output energy in it,this is still a question..

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Offline exnihiloest

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 09:09:50 AM »
Here is their patent:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2006035419&F=0&QPN=WO2006035419

Makes sense to me, slide the magnets past the shield,
as the next magnets are also attracted to the shield, it is
probably pretty easy to move the shield left and right.

But, if you need less energy to move the shield or the magnet base carrier
and have an output coil be induced output energy in it,this is still a question..

Right, we doesn't need work to move the shield but what if we place a coil?

When the sliding shield is approaching the coil, the varying magnetic flux in the coil causes a current in the coil that causes a magnetic flux opposing that of the magnets. Then the magnetic field ahead the shield is less than behind it, so we should have to exert a work to still move the shield. Same case when the shield is sliding away from the coil: the magnetic field behind is more than ahead.

The key point is not how we could move a shield without energy, we can. It is: how is it possible there is no action on the shield (or only a weak action) when we try to extract work from the varying field. This patent gives no answer. Whe have to wait for the others :-(

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 01:38:43 PM »
I am having trouble loading the patent, but it looks to me like a folded piece
of mu-metal which will not work becasue the magnetic field will flow around
it in the odd way that magnetic fields do. (viz John Ecklin ?Echlin's machine).

Also, the patent is not a motor. It is just a screen which probably won't
work. What it may well do is give magnetic motors a bad name.

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Offline Liberty

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2006, 03:36:25 PM »
If the Steorn device should happen to be shot down by the scientists, it will not tarnish permanent magnet motors completely.  I still have a near all permanent magnet motor that I just ran again yesterday for a couple of hours (the primitive looking one in the picture on my web site) :), and it still runs just fine; (I call it the Prototype I).  I'm now busy developing the "improved" Prototype I which will be the basis and major building block for the next generation Prototype II motor and beyond. The Prototype II if and when successful, will be a greatly improved device as compared to the first working model.  It will have all the best improvements that I know how to build into it.  The Prototype II will also be able to be considered a module to build even larger devices. 

I am trying to make a near all permanent magnet motor that is much improved over my first model, while maintaining minimal power consumption.  There are apparently several different ways to make magnet motors.  Some may have advantages over others, but I think all run into certain limitations according to design.  I don't know if my way is the best, but I know that it works. 

Best of wishes toward the Steorn team and their device.  The more successful devices there are, the better position we will all be in.

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 04:20:16 PM »
hi Liberty,

if you have a working model (i believe you do), make sure it can be passed along if the MIB :'( get to you.

tbird

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Offline mark australia

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2006, 05:00:08 PM »
Dear Liberty,
I am happy to see you back on your project. The Irish design is covered by many patnets (7 I think) Some will be released soon. I hope they are successful , however I think they are going about it in a strange manner..drawing a lot of attention to themselves. However I know someone who spoke to them on the phone today for over an hour and he feels they are the most credible he has ever talked to in this field.
I know you have the real thing, and I await future progress reports. I have seen many devices fail when placed under scrutiny or load. From the information you have kindly provided I know you are about the only person that is on the right track.
keep up the Good work and hope to hear from you soon.

Mark

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Re: irish free energy device
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2006, 06:47:47 PM »
Hi,

I like the path Steorn Ltd. has taken. Given the terrible track record of our industry it will take an act of congress, figuratively speaking, to win over the science community's support.  Looks good so far. I'm glad to they're using definitions such as COP.

Is their downloadable video worth the wait?  I tried to download it but it's stuck at only 141 KB.

This world sure could use free energy. Is it true that 1.7 billion people live without electricity?

Paul Lowrance

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Offline Liberty

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2006, 07:49:22 PM »
Hello Mark Australia,

I am somewhat back on the project.  Not 100 percent, but I will continue to work on the device on a limited basis.  When things settle down for me, I will continue with more effort toward the project.

I still am largely just making this thing for myself.  I want to make the device work to my satisfaction before I decide to show it for test or back it with more investment. 

Yesterday (just a quick test for fun) I attached a toy motor with 1:1 gears to the shaft for a quick test (while the motor was not yet tweaked for speed and power, but it ran).  The toy motor did not really spin fast enough to generate a high enough voltage to try to self run the device (so far, guessing rpm was maybe 300 or so at the time of testing).  I will probably have to gear it differently for a little better speed and output match.  But the 'Prototype I' did turn the toy motor and the gears to generate about a 1.25 volts continuously with no load (other than an analog volt meter) on the toy motor to measure with.  The Prototype I motor power consumption using an analog volt meter showed an average of 230 ma at 4 volts (dc) while running.  (Using about .96 watts according to the volt/amp meter if I did the math right P=IxE).  I expect to have much better Prototype I motor performance after motor modifications with only a little higher power consumption.  Then it will be much more interesting to test out.

I know that the Steorn team is a company with probably much more financial backing, so I am not really much of a challenge to them.  I am just a one man band with limited resources.  But, if I can only make a device that works for me, I will still be satisfied. 
After all, there is more than one type of car that one can buy.  Maybe different flavors of magnet motors too?

 

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