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Author Topic: Forward EMF Collection  (Read 27812 times)

Dave45

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2014, 12:56:20 PM »
try to connect the earth to the core :)
That should charge the core with a neg charge and attract even more pos ions.
Its about charge attraction folks a neg charged coil will attract pos ions from the atmosphere, collect the pos and pulse another winding to attract neg ions, we need both.

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2014, 12:56:20 PM »

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2014, 01:04:08 PM »
Some authors hedge by making the following statement. In general, the atmospheric medium, by which the near Earth is surrounded, contains not only electric charges bound in atoms or molecules, or any form of matter, but it also contains a quantity of charge in an unbound state. Sometimes the unbound charges are positive, sometimes negative, but as a general rule most are of an opposite polarity to that of the Earth. Different layers, or strata, of the atmosphere, located at only small distances from each other, are frequently found to be in different electric states.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity
We have pos and neg charges all around us but claim only neg charge flows in our circuits.

http://www.trifield.com/content/about-air-ions/

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2014, 01:40:49 PM »
I should have studied this along time ago
http://www.electrostatics.com/page2.html

A magnetic field attracts charges from the atmosphere, if that field is collapsed those charges will collapse as well.
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/07/25/how-solar-flares-directly-affect-human-consciousness/

Our planet has a neg charge the upper atmosphere has a pos charge, if our coil has a neg charge then the air around that coil has a pos charge and when the magnetic field of the coil collapses it will bring in a pos charge.

Its about charge separation, to collect before they cancel each other out.




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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2014, 01:40:49 PM »
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Dave45

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2014, 02:33:36 PM »
Thinking out loud  8)

Dave45

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2014, 03:33:47 PM »
Making a plan  :)
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In order to gain the most benefit from your static neutralizing or static control equipment, it is important that you understand how they operate and how they provide the means of neutralization. Most electronic static neutralizers are constructed by placing a high voltage on a sharp point in close proximity to a grounded shield or casing. There are two basic types static control ionizers- AC & DC
With Alternating Current ionizers the high voltage alternates current pulses through the 60 cycle operation, the air between the sharp points and the grounded casing is actually broken down by ionization and therefore both positive and negative ions are being generated. Half of the cycle is utilized to generate negative ions and the other half is utilized to generate positive ions. On 50 or 60 cycles per second power grid polarity is changing ionization every 1/100 or 1/120 of a second. 
If the coils are in close proximity to each other they cancel each other, by running each leg of ac to a transformer we are generating both pos and neg ions in close proximity to each other and cancelling any ambient return, we must separate the coils on each leg by enough distance that they dont cancel each others field.

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Dave45

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2014, 03:56:47 PM »
Eliminated one diode this also uses the bemf from each coil to pulse the other.

Dave45

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2014, 09:47:13 PM »
A simple little test one can do to see which way the bemf is flowing through the diode.
If the bemf were in a neg current form it would not pass the diode as it is oriented in the circuit, but it does.
This tells us the bemf is pos, now if you want to call it pos current or pos voltage, some call it cold current, radiant energy it really doesnt matter as long as you realize there is an opposite flow as compared to neg current.
Is this flow present at all times, dont know, but we can see current flow and voltage flow with a scope but can we tell which way the traces are moving, could current flow one direction and voltage flow the other through the same circuit.
These are just some things Iv been thinking on.

later
dave

Im not trying to prove anyone right or anyone wrong Im just looking for answers.

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Offline d3x0r

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2014, 07:41:52 AM »
A simple little test one can do to see which way the bemf is flowing through the diode.
If the bemf were in a neg current form it would not pass the diode as it is oriented in the circuit, but it does.
This tells us the bemf is pos, now if you want to call it pos current or pos voltage, some call it cold current, radiant energy it really doesnt matter as long as you realize there is an opposite flow as compared to neg current.
Is this flow present at all times, dont know, but we can see current flow and voltage flow with a scope but can we tell which way the traces are moving, could current flow one direction and voltage flow the other through the same circuit.
These are just some things Iv been thinking on.

later
dave

Im not trying to prove anyone right or anyone wrong Im just looking for answers.


starting with that; the diode is in the wrong direcion to have any current flow; the large part of the batter is - and the small is +....


flip one or the other and can do some more figgering


need some reisstance in the meter path in series with the swtich; otherwise it's a dead short and there's 0 voltage (it will have less resistance than the meter, so none will go through the meter)

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2014, 12:50:03 PM »

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2014, 12:52:41 PM »
Dave, very good experiment 
Did you make it ? can you post video ? did you used voltmeter ? maybe ampermeter would be more adequate ?

Dave45

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2014, 12:58:02 PM »
Yes you can us a resistor in the circuit after the coil, I did it works either way you will still get bemf hitting the meter.
We think of diodes as a one way valve but actually there not in that they let pos energy flow one direction and neg flow the other.
We tend to think of electricity as water flowing in a pipe, this is a mistake water does not flow in two directions at once.
When lightning strikes there are two leaders one from the neg charged ground and one from the pos charged clouds.

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2014, 12:58:02 PM »
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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2014, 05:26:12 PM »
Yes, when the switch opens, the coil side goes positive...


that is it has a supply of electrons near 0 potential/density... when the switch opens, the current in the coil cointinues...which removes the electrons from near the switch, which makes it positive....  or if the current is in the other direction, the current will continue towards the switch which will make that side negative....


It's always about one thing flowing; if there are two aspects, it's electro-magnetic and electro-static (dielectric)...

Dave45

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2014, 02:20:02 PM »
try to connect the earth to the core :)
Connect one core neg and one core pos

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2014, 03:25:15 AM »
If we pulse a coil and catch the bemf we get pos energy - cold current - pure voltage Iv heard it called many names but it has no use, ...
I'm not sure of that. First of all, if it doesn't take energy to cause a pure voltage, why isn't everything at high voltage 24/7? So, it must take energy. Where does that come from?


An other aspect: here the word for voltage is "Spannung" which means Tension. It says a lot. Think of sparks and arcs. The higher the tension, the longer the arcs trough the air. Dynamic tension is energy manifestation IMHO. A voltage runs ahead of the current trough a coil, the current follows due to tension.
One thing I would definitely suggest to try is: connect your bemf to a good ground. I don't agree with the bemf running fwd, sorry. That's why it's named BACK emf.


There is some sort of problem when you try to redirect the bemf with diodes. They work well to block it from the fwd source, eg. fragile CMOS for protection.


But the redirection is a diffrent thing. Because the bemf manifests at the coils IN side, but is then blocked. Any direction it can flow from here may also be used by the fwd pulse. That's the dilemma. But there's an old trick: A sparkgap! So the fwd current will not use the sparkgap because A the coil is easier and B because the voltage is lower, the bemf on the other hand is blocked by the supply diode and is forced to jump accross the gap. 500 to 1000 volts required (I used a moskito trap, runs on 3V). AC is a bad choice for bemf stuff. short square dc pulses work best. Simple to implement with a spark gap, probably use tungsten or so to keep it service free. Back emf voltage of fwd 1kV may be 4kV, so use HV diodes and caps. 5 normal 1kV diodes in series substitute a 5kV diode.
So, this is the idea: redirect the bemf with said sparkgap and see it as you new plus pole. at the other end of the coil (that is already connected to supply minus) add a diode that goes to ground 1. This will become your positive bemf current source. After the "Bemf-gap" add a load and after that connect to ground 2, the bemf current negative source, a few meters away from ground 1. Also add blocking diodes after the supply, so the bemf does not try to draw positive current from the supply negative side.


Not sure if it works, but it fried my digital multimeter after showing hundreds of amperes, inconsistently jumping around :-) so be careful.


I will try this again.


Regards



Offline dieter

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Re: Forward EMF Collection
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2014, 04:50:21 AM »
Here's a little sketch of what I'm talking about...

 

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