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Author Topic: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor  (Read 13644 times)

Offline nilrehob

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Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« on: December 19, 2013, 04:51:19 PM »
Experimenting with gotoluc's latest findings with a MOT I tried charging a battery from mains in series with a capacitor but no MOT and thus keeping pf=0. I don't trust what I found so I invite all to shoot it down.

If You're in a hurry go straight for the last video:

Luc Reactive MOT Secondary Load: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc056vnuIYU
Luc Reactive MOT Primary Load: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVE6Nit0_p8
Watt-Meter Resistive Load: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxB9Rcs7Udw
Watt-Meter Inductive Load: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnuusKhZzO4
Luc Reactive MOT to Battery, no Capacitor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LSTBMwC_lc
Watt-Meter Capacitative Load: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD02doq50lk
Luc Reactive Capacitor to Battery, no MOT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA6AQ7AGq88

I later found the manual for the watt-meter, and It says that it only takes measurements in quadrants 1 and 4 (consumed energy). So if its in 2 or 3 (or very close to them I guess), it writes "err" in the "current page" and all power-related info says zero.

/Hob

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2013, 07:47:11 AM »
I've just been pointed to the "George Wisemans Capacitive charger" and this is it,
still interesting in my opinion and pf=0 is also interesting.

/Hob

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 10:10:32 AM »
I've just been pointed to the "George Wisemans Capacitive charger" and this is it,
still interesting in my opinion and pf=0 is also interesting.

/Hob
Hi   seems interesting
NOW if without grid  will  pulse motor  with 300 v dc pulse converted to ac then cap then back to dc   can do the same   ?   Ty :)

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 10:10:32 AM »
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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2013, 01:35:33 PM »
I have no idea, You have to try it.

/Hob

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2013, 02:25:14 PM »
Hi All, Hi nilrehob

Please share the link to download the document "George Wisemans Capacitive charger" if possible.

Thank you.


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Offline nilrehob

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2013, 02:37:41 PM »
I dont have the doc, I just googled for pictures and vids,
like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJA6bHB9jgk

/Hob

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2013, 04:27:00 PM »
This one : http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/235 ?
or this :   http://www.eagle-research.com/fenergy/save.php ? Energy Conserver Theory 1,2


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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2013, 04:33:19 PM »
Hi Hob.

Yes, I see you and Luc have figured out that you don't need the MOT, even though I posted this fact here:
http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/msg379577/#msg379577

What you've done is re-discovered the modern method of stepping down the grid voltage for the purpose of low voltage, low power applications such as cell phone chargers and the like. Congratulations!  ;D

And good on you Hob for being open-minded. Kudos to you ;)
 

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2013, 04:36:55 PM »
Hi Hob.

Yes, I see you and Luc have figured out that you don't need the MOT, even though I posted this fact here:
http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/msg379577/#msg379577

What you've done is re-discovered the modern method of stepping down the grid voltage for the purpose of low voltage, low power applications such as cell phone chargers and the like. Congratulations!  ;D

And good on you Hob for being open-minded. Kudos to you ;)

I'm sorry I missed Your post, my bad.
But Its not a down-step of the voltage, its a power-factor shifter and current-limiter.

/Hob

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2013, 04:41:08 PM »
I'm sorry I missed Your post, my bad.
But Its not a down-step of the voltage, its a power-factor shifter and current-limiter.

/Hob
If you limit the current, then under load the voltage is going to be lower.

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2013, 04:43:12 PM »
In George Wiesman's own words from his doc:

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The CBC uses capacitors instead of a transformer to change highvoltage into low voltage.

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2013, 04:56:13 PM »
Hob,

Evidently your power meter can not be trusted.

So use your scope to measure the grid power. That means you'll need to insert a CSR and use a probe to measure the grid voltage and one to measure the grid current.

Then do similar by measuring the voltage across the FWBR (AC side) and combined with the CSR you can determine the power going into your charging circuitry. Then compare the two.

Are you willing/capable of doing this?

Let me know if you want me to draw it out for you.

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Re: Charging battery from mains is series with a capacitor
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2013, 05:01:36 PM »
Hob,

Evidently your power meter can not be trusted.

So use your scope to measure the grid power. That means you'll need to insert a CSR and use a probe to measure the grid voltage and one to measure the grid current.

Then do similar by measuring the voltage across the FWBR and combined with the CSR you can determine the power going into your charging circuitry. Then compare the two.

Are you willing/capable of doing this?

Let me know if you want me to draw it out for you.

I'll do that (and more) but not right now, has to be when there are no guests in the house so I dont get distracted.
As a matter of fact I has to go now to attend to dear distractions ;-)

/Hob

 

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