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Offline Farmhand

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2014, 05:04:26 PM »
Not the same the secondary coil you attach the two inside wires together  bifilar coil 50X greater potential. leaves 4 wires on two primary coils when we charge first coil it induces a opposite field in second (by means of induction) the transistor is then switched off and the other tuned on I do not fight the collapse  BUT amplify it  the hookup on this coil MUST BE OPPOSITE the first this can be checked by applying power one  way you will drop 100~150% power use no load maybe this print will make it easier to understand

Sounds like a simple inverter to me, switch one primary one way then switch the other primary the other way, the output is AC from the other winding/s. That is old hat.

As Milehigh said. Can you show us a wave form diagram please ? If it is different to how I described. And some in out figures, the out figures should be easy if you have a DMM that can handle the frequency or a  two channel scope.

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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2014, 05:12:36 PM »
It wasn't about one wire transmission being something special, just the lack of a 2nd pole of the output.


What you (naysayers) quickly seem to miss is, that we have certain conditions here that are far from conventional thinking: a flipflop that utilizes the bemf to be added to an alternating resonance, causing high stresses when the standing waves collapse and recombine mirrored in a speed that's forced by an easy driver induction, resulting in pseudo AC that is forced into that one wire (where some capacity must exist, most likely in C 1 and C2).


Interesting that other people had similar things experienced, with resonant coils at electrical power levels


Please give some specific details, I believe many people would immediately help you to verify this by replication.


Again the coils, one of you, please specify, I read in the blog they are trifilar, later it says 8 wireends... wtf.


I also don't see how the 6 or 8 ends are connected in the cirquit since on the diagram each coil has only 2 ends.


Size of the coils, wire diameter, number of turns, diameter of core. Capacity of C, just roughly the dimension, and what L3 exactly is.


I had some time to test and confirm this, but I won't start without specfic details.


I have no pair of pnp and npns around (and had to drive 2 hours to buy some), but I've got a pair of lm741 op amps, silly question, could I use them instead?


And is there a link to that sparkgap version? I have a 3vdc>1500vdc stepup element from a mosquito killer, so I could do some tests without the transistors.
How would such a sparkgap flipflop look?
Anyhow, back to the topic.

Oh well in that case have a look at these. The output voltage of that transformer can be as high as 860 volts at resonance with all the secondaries in series. The way it was wired in the video it was producing about 400 volts or so with only half of the secondaries in use. About 24 kHz or so. That transformer has a total of 12 windings on it. The transformer  has two primaries consisting of four windings in each, so eight windings for the primaries and the two opposite secondaries are in series which is half the secondaries, there is a second output the same..

At about 3:50 into the video I switch to 24 Khz for the one wire "natural medium return" lighting effects.

I also get a shock from the active line output, so if you want to see an opinion sayer get a shock and have a laugh at me it's there. Lucky it was 24 kHz, When it's at 50/60 Hz I would be much more careful. Or I would be seriously injured or dead.

One wire lighting effects from regular transformer-converter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGj7uQOOMA

One wire power draw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXE7z6UAYSw

Cheers

P.S. With all the secondaries in parallel the transformer can output several hundred Watts AC, it is powered by a 12 volt battery.

By the way the naysayer stuff is factually incorrect. More like opinion sayers. Most of the time it is "correct opinion sayers".

Edited to correct the voltage of the outputs. And applied frequency. THe experiment was some time ago and I had to watch the video myself to get the voltage and frequency correct.

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2014, 06:14:25 PM »





And is there a link to that sparkgap version? I have a 3vdc>1500vdc stepup element from a mosquito killer, so I could do some tests without the transistors.
How would such a sparkgap flipflop look?
Anyhow, back to the topic.

My flyswatter on a flyback via spark gap  lights 40 w of 8 5pcs led lamps   in parallel   with   6 250 v ac mylar caps  :)

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2014, 07:40:39 PM »
Xenophed:

Sorry, but what you attached was not a timing diagram.  You have to identify the nodes or current branches in your circuit and show the voltages and/or currents and make it real.  I have attached some simple timing diagrams that I found online.  If you had a scope you could investigate your circuit and do the same.

In my opinion your description of how your circuit runs is just a guess.  It's an oscillator with a feedback mechanism to sustain the oscillation.  There is no resonance at play, rather it has an operating frequency that is determined by the component values.  There is a huge difference between an operating frequency and resonance.  For example, a joule thief circuit does not exhibit resonance, nor does a 555 timer circuit exhibit resonance.  Also, like I stated before, there is no magic associated with resonance.  Your description of how your circuit runs is vague at best and it is not credible.  You need a scope to figure out how it actually works and to make a real-world timing diagram.  Then you have to understand what the timing diagram is showing you so that you can understand the mechanism for the oscillation.

In the end, you still have what I said before:  You have a two-transistor oscillator that will cause an AC flux to flow in the transformer core.  The third winding drives a load.  The value of the load resistance will determine how much AC power you extract from the changing flux in the transformer core.  The more AC power that you extract from the changing flux in the transformer core, the more of a drain you put on the oscillator circuit.  That increased drain on the oscillator circuit will result in the oscillator circuit drawing more power from the battery.

If you can make good measurements you will be able to determine how much power is drawn from the battery and how much power is transferred into the load resistor.  The power burnt off in the load resistor will be less than the power that is drawn from the battery.  The difference between the two is the measurement for how much power is burnt off in the oscillator circuit itself as waste heat.

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2014, 10:55:18 PM »
In stumbling around some other ideas today I came across this info which Floyd "Sparky" Sweet (well known for his Vacuum Triode Amplifier) was studying and was likely a part of his fascinating creation.  The statement ""An alternate explanation for the current gain in the UDT is to consider each secondary winding as acting as the primary winding for the other secondary winding when an output current is drawn because the two secondary windings generate geometrically opposing fields."   The UDT as describe here: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device  provides more power out than is consumed at input.   Perhaps something similar is happening here with xenophed's coil and circuit.   
Also of interest is that today the news update from HyIQ is he believes he has cracked the riddle of Floyd Sweet's VTA.   See www.hyiq.org

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2014, 11:09:23 PM »
From HyIQ's video showing this effect:   ""On rare occasions, Sweet saw this effect, called self-oscillation, occur in electric transformers"

and

"Sweet was also a transformer designer and expert, and he remarked that he had also observed specialized self-oscillation in certain transformers. "

I show the importance of knowing and understanding the A Vector Potential and how simple it is to create a self assisted oscillation. This set of shorted Self Assisted Oscillating Coils. This can be improved hugely and is possible to be made to self run with this technology. Nikola Tesla, Floyd Sweet, Lester Hendershot, Edd Leedskalnin and Daniel McFarland Cook all knew about this technology. They all used it in various ways to improve their devices...."


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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2014, 11:24:22 PM »
xenophed - thanks a lot for the details. That new diagram makes sense. Have to improvise on the wire, copper became really expensive.
So, I'm AFK for some tests...

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2014, 12:44:42 AM »
It is "capacitive flame". It is tethered to ether itself, but still reqire power to glow. One wire glow is shown on neon lamp in upper post. I decided to use blitz lamp from disposable camera, so effect cann be beter seen trough clear glass.
http://youtu.be/Kvr2mgCJX_8
Other end is not connected and no glow(flame) there.
Source of ac is zvs driver

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2014, 01:49:29 AM »
In stumbling around some other ideas today I came across this info which Floyd "Sparky" Sweet (well known for his Vacuum Triode Amplifier) was studying and was likely a part of his fascinating creation.  The statement ""An alternate explanation for the current gain in the UDT is to consider each secondary winding as acting as the primary winding for the other secondary winding when an output current is drawn because the two secondary windings generate geometrically opposing fields."  The UDT as describe here: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device  provides more power out than is consumed at input.   Perhaps something similar is happening here with xenophed's coil and circuit.   
Also of interest is that today the news update from HyIQ is he believes he has cracked the riddle of Floyd Sweet's VTA.   See www.hyiq.org

Video below demonstrating the device shows different to the statement I made bold text above.

Input is 1.2 Amperes at 12.6 volts = 15.12 Watts input, output = maybe 2 watts (not fully lit 2 Watt bulb). Which is about 13% efficient. How does anyone come to the conclusion it is even efficient not to mention say it gives more out than in ?  UDT device video test from 2011. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

Please explain.

For the 15 Watts input it should be able to light up at least 4 of those globes to full brightness (3 Watt each x 4) with 12 Watts output, but it cannot even light up one to full brightness less than 3 Watts, looks like less than 3 Watts.

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2014, 08:40:36 AM »
Farmhand,  Chris (the person that has the hyiq.org web site) seems like a very sharp guy to me.   He states on his web page : " I think it is important to note that this type of device is more than real, I have shown that it can work. Click Here to see my video. "
Floyd Sweet describes this same action as is described above: "If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created" "I watched his video too but I am not sure how to interpret it - I was taking his word for it.    So who am I to believe?   I'll watch it again later or maybe ask him for an explanation.   From what I've seen the past couple years Chris does very good and thorough research.   I think he will be better to ask for an explanation.   
I took another quick look at the video.   Firstly we don't know the efficiency of the big amplifier.  It looks like a car audio amp so if we are lucky maybe 50% efficient.    Secondly it does not seem he is trying to show efficiency whatsoever in that video but rather is simply demonstrating that the shorted coil setup causes a self oscillation which results in the light getting brighter.    It appears he is not showing the UDT but rather just one basic concept involved in how the UDT works.   

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2014, 01:54:51 PM »
xenophed - I did some experimenting, although I am not an expert and my equipment is even more limited than yours. It seems like I'm doing something wrong...


I built the driver as shown in the newer diagram, used BD242C and BD241C as the Qs, they handle up to 40 Watts under ideal cooling conditions. I tried various caps from 1 to 200 pF. Source is a 12vdc supply for up to 15 Watts, for 250vac@50Hz. The supply delivers 20Vac witbout any load. What is weird is, my Wattmeter, similar like those killawatt thingies, says the supply consumes 9.04W, without a load! Fishy...


Anyway, when I connect the 20vdc to the driver cirquit, it reads 30 Watts and gets hot quickly, starts to smell. At the secondary coil I get about 2.6 vac at 0.33 A, about 0.9 Watt. When I swap the ends of one of the primaries, voltage on 2nd drops to near zero, so it was ok before.


The Coil is (metric here, sorry) made of a 2.5 mm welding rods bundle about10mm diameter, one layer bifilar enameled copperwire as the primary pair, probably 1.2mm, and ontop of that in series 3 times the lenght of one primary is the secoandary, about 0.3mm wire. This goes over almost the full lenght of the 350mm welding rods.


Windings are a lil imperfect due to the recycled wire and impatience. The Coil is straight, where yours seem to be torroid/donut shaped in the video. Did you bend the welding rods ? Didn't they crumble? Also, i didn't use a copper pipe as the heart of the core, nor did i use a pvc pipe between core and coil, as somebody said the core can be anything.


Attaching the leg of C2 to the secondary didn't make a diffrence. Using a headphone as the load revealed a hum of maybe 100 to 200 hz. Using diffrent Cs does not alter the freq. but rather the presence of subtile harmonics of it.


Disconnecting one of the primaries did not weaken the hum! Disconnecting both did. Reversing ones polarity also did.


It seems to me, my cirquit doesn't work as it's supposed to be. Most headscratching: swapping the npn vs pnp had no impact eighter, same hum as before.


Have to say, because of the supply, being almost shortened and getting hot, I added a 10 Watt 15 Ohm resistor between + and the cirquit. This gave me 2 vdc for the driver, although maybe not enough to run the Qs, the cirquit worked like before, just with a lesser loud hum. This way, consumption went from 9.04 to 11.3. Funny thing, when I added a LED between + and the 10w R, consumption remained at 9.04W, even with the same 2 Watt cirquit active and the Resistor remained cold. There's definitely something wrong with these Wattmeters, when I connected only a series of 3 Leds (each 100mA) and the Resistor, the meter remained at 9.04W, as if there was nothing at all, except the wasteful supply.


On the diagram it looks so simple, but in fact, there are still many questions, like eg. where exactly is the oscillation freq. caused, probably by the mains grids 50 hz???
I will probably try to run this with a sparkgap, since that allows to tune it in a much easier way. I however have yet to find the cause for this driver being able to run "one-handed". There doesn't seem to be such wiping resonance, as it was described. Any thoughts?




 

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2014, 05:37:49 PM »
Slightly off topic, do you think this would work as the driver? Phase shift not yet added tho:
(EDIT: BTW. when powered by a single source, then 4 Diodes are required, to the caps. Also: 2 additional Diodes may be needed between opposing electrodes of the two Cs, in the same direction as the other two)
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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2014, 02:13:51 PM »
WARNING ... This device can kill you even when it is no more connected to the power source!
You have to shorten both Caps before you touch it!



Xenothep, would be nice to get some feedback. I see when you use a sparkgap between two steel discs, the lights get real bright, was that still at 12 Watt, as v*a at the source indicated? may the sparks add "something" to it?

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2014, 07:31:33 PM »
Due to the simplicity, I've made some tests with that sparkgap idea. Results are rather chaotic, but it works. normal diodes may be fried even although supply voltage is below 1kW, backEmf may be high spikes, maybe 2 to 4 kV . Use HV Diodes, eg. made of series of 1kV Diodes. Or, since this is stoneages tech, use a glass of water with an oxidized alu stripe as Diode  8) ...


Test was ok, 900 Vdc from a 1.5V battery, nice flipfllop sparking, then I reversed one of the bifilars, one strong spark an that was it for the diode.


Have to say, stereo sparkplug timing is hard to adjust, specially in the 500 V range. Thinking about a one gap solution, but not just an on-off sawthooth.


Will build this more precisely, meanwhile trying to find out what's wrong with my implementation of the transistor driver...


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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2014, 08:00:03 PM »
dieter,  sounds like you've changed a couple possibly important facets of this device.   It might be best if you could use the same transistors that zenophed suggested.   Also I believe you said you don't have a copper pipe in the middle.   A 1/2" copper pipe can be purchased for very little from a plumbing supply if they will cut you a one or two foot chunk ... they might even give it to you if you explain what it's being used for (free energy research).   Thanks for continuing this work and posting your results.   I'm still planning on getting to this but have a hard time getting to winding coils (coilaphobia ?  :D  ).

 

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