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Offline xenophed

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An interesting phenomenon I found
« on: December 19, 2013, 01:17:45 AM »
I was working with LaserHacker circuit as most have for at the moment  it is the closest we  have been but a side issue. I wound a bi-filler bode coil and found a new way to drive it with a  300% reduction in power use. It is wound just like his but over steel welding rods instead of ferrite cores. http://xenophed.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/free-energy/ this describes the set up and after  it is reviewed I will release  more but here is a video http://youtu.be/ukuMi6JjWa0 on youtube.  All I will say is there is a lot more to come but I welcome all to try this simple circuit and reply 

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An interesting phenomenon I found
« on: December 19, 2013, 01:17:45 AM »

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 09:55:09 PM »
Here is a correct schematic

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 01:15:16 AM »
I think this one blew right by everyone.   xenophed has a circuit here that is likely getting MORE POWER OUT THAN INPUT by the battery.  He didn't claim this here but on his blog and on laserhacker's site it is more clear how BIG this may actually be.   I plan on giving this a try and think others would also if they had seen his write up on his blog and laserhacker.com.   
This is a very unique bifilar or trifilar setup with info gleaned from Tesla as well as lasersaber. 

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 01:15:16 AM »
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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2014, 01:30:26 PM »
Hello again,
I often sit back and watch people and events play out as it is the best way to learn,play the sponge so to speak. My initial results blew my mind and it was at that point I knew I had to investigate this. What I have found is that by driving the bifilar coils out of sync so to speak it levels the current in the two coils  (primary and secondary. It does achieve over unity in a since that the output  voltage is NOT important  so if we say apply 12 volts @ 1 amp.  on the input and make the secondary 10X then we go from 12 watts to about 110 giving that it still leaves about .07% loss instead of the .87% we currently have. I will help everyone out a little more by saying that ANY BIFILAR COIL will work on the primary side.as long as we drive them out of phase with each other. Also I do have another circuit that the emitters of the transistors are tied to the respected power inputs, It starts up easier. Please understand people that I broke my neck a few years ago and have very bad tremors and no income so I have accomplish all of this using part out of old discarded electronics. I know with my personal readings that it produces about a good gain at higher voltages say 120 ~ 1K volts. Remember the core or the coil is not the real secret but the coil driver circuit is. Hope this helps everyone and I will reply to all emails.

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2014, 02:45:19 AM »
Sounds amazing. I guess somebody soon's gonna say naay...  I like the simple and elegant design. Would be nice to get details. tetrafilar coils, all in parallel?  How about a parts list hehe.


I wonder what happens here. Seems like the current and voltage is wiped up to a max, two standing waves. Normally such resonance is used in RF, not in Transformers. What if the stress of alternating resonance releases energy "out of space"?


I take it you're not kidding us, so if your measurement is correct then this is the breaktrough everybody is waiting for.


300% , did you test this with a real load? What is the output anyway, an upfold sawthooth?


Did you think about to self-supply it.
Thanks for sharing.



PS. What is L1 and L 2, Both seperate coils with 2x bifilar wire and their own core, or are they the 2x Bifilars of one coil??

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2014, 03:13:47 AM »
Unfortunately there is nothing here.  E2matrix you amaze me because you must have been "here" 50 times or more and you keep on believing without really taking a realistic appraisal of the overall situation.  Xenophed you seem like a nice guy but you are also clearly a beginner.  You are not observing a one-wire power transfer to light up the LEDs.  There is stray "invisible" capacitance in the air and between the stray capacitance in the air and the ground underneath your breadboard a high-frequency AC signal can propagate through the main physical wire and an "invisible second wire."  So between your single wire and an "invisible" second wire you can transfer power into your circuit and light up the LEDs.  It is all 100% normal and expected.

Likewise, your circuit using the tri-filar transformer and the transistors is not an over unity circuit.  Careful measurements would clearly show that.  Do you have an oscilloscope?

So no breakthrough.  If you are wise, in cases like this you take a step back and the first thing you should be thinking about is a way to take a second and different measurement to see if you can corroborate your first measurement.  If you work hard at this and undertake to learn more about electronics eventually it will all start to make sense.

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2014, 03:59:13 AM »
No scope and I have been studying electronics since the 1960  and yes I have attached a 45 watt incandescent light bulb to the output coil with the laserhacker joule thief circuit it pulled 2.74 amps and with the new driver about .7 ~ .8 amps  both time a 105 v ac reading on the meter. I would note those current readings are the input current not output current. I would also note that I tuned the resonance of the dual input coils by placing capacitors accost them at about .047uf. In a final note I will have a new video in a few and the discussion will be over at that point. You guys need to understand that the russians in all their videos  or anyone it is about  resonance and phase  shift on the input. But when I hit the lotto I will make sure that I buy a lecroy  Oscope to seed nice pictures to all not that  it will prove any other than I*E=watts.You would note the part about me being severally disabled and can not hardly hold a pencil. In a couple of weeks when I get some components in I will post the proof of concept video. Peace and love to all

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2014, 04:04:02 AM »
Here is a correct schematic

Hey Xen

The coil and transistor below the battery. What is happening there?  It looks like more circuitry than Lasersaber used.

Interesting  ;)

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2014, 04:17:33 AM »
Think of it this way dual laserhacker coils drivers only we use different transistors so that when one turns off the other turns on the other coil. To get the lowest current draw apply .1~.01 uf capacitors across each coil.   

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2014, 04:17:33 AM »
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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2014, 04:21:16 AM »
xenophed,  thanks for your replies.   Don't worry about MileHigh since he just automatically assumes everything is a measurement error or that everyone is too dumb to build anything that works.   He may have some points about the LED's but I believe you are on to something very good here.   When I looked at the circuit with the LED's I assumed it was a sort of Avramenko plug that was getting power to them from fairly high frequency input.   That in itself would not be too big of a thing and one wire power has been shown by others.   But lighting an incandescent is very impressive so I'm rooting for you to show MileHigh a thing or two ;)    I don't have any ready access to welding rods but next time I get near town I'll pick some up to try this.   I am also working on an idea with some other metal that I might put together something similar to give this a try in the mean time. 

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2014, 04:40:23 AM »
Even an air core would produce good results ( not great ) but good OU provable with a stock meter. I built one with a loopstick ferit for a core really small used 2n4401 and 2n4403 for the drivers and again tuned with capacitors across the primary coils ( wound side by side on primary #24 solid bell wire and single wound # 30 or so magnet wire on secondary). If one person build it and agrees I will show the last part of the circuit.

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2014, 04:45:16 AM »
xenophed, e2matrix...

What exactly are your definitions of "OU" or overunity, in an electrical circuit? How is it manifested, what kind of measurements are needed to show it unequivocally?





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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2014, 05:17:33 AM »
OU is a very loosely used term and I don't believe there is such a thing as real overunity.  BUT there are situations where one gets more power out of a device than one puts into it with the extra power coming from unseen or lesser understood sources.   If something is truly getting more power out than one puts in from a known source then it can be readily proven by some method of looping the device to power itself as long as it's getting 2 or 3 times more power out than you put in.   That would be the ultimate best proof.   I will admit measurement methods can get complicated but if something is really tapping unseen power than it will become obvious after a point with even average measurement methods.    Best situation though of course is looping and IMO a high efficiency DC to DC converter (which can be had cheap) running off an output feeding back to a battery or cap bank will nail down the proof.  If it doesn't have enough to loop than it is more of a novelty than real world usable.   
   As far as how the extra power is manifested I could care less as long as it can do work.   But as xenophed said and as it seems to be a big part of most 'free energy' work RESONANCE is key as well as phase relationships of voltage to current.   But unlike some people here I'm not here for the sake of discussion.   If I think something is of interest I'll build it and if nothing comes of it other than a bit of learning that's okay.   What I will NOT do though is ASS-U-ME something cannot work based on any traditional brainwashing - OOPs I mean text book theory or 'laws'.    I find the way his coil is built to be unique enough to build this just to check out how that acts.     
Have you looked at how this coil is built on his blog?   Similar but I don't believe identical to a coil Lasersaber made that was getting some very long running effects with very little power input.    I need to refresh my memory on that .... back in a few   

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2014, 05:24:16 AM »
Xenophed:

Looking forward to see the results of your next test but without a scope you are unfortunately severely hampered.  This whole thing could be due to the waveform being spiky and throwing off your multimeter.

E2matrix:

I suppose I wish the collective group of experimenters as a whole would put certain ideas and preconceptions in the "no good" basket.  Of course new people come along all the time which makes that ideal impossible to achieve.  In the final analysis I am all for people investigating their own circuits.  But how many times can you play with a transformer circuit looking for over unity and come up empty handed before you decide that you can put the while concept in a generic sense in the "no good" basket?  That's the "gap" that doesn't seem to get closed very often.

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Re: An interesting phenomenon I found
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2014, 05:44:42 AM »
Thanks for your concern MileHigh but I think there are probably a nearly infinite amount of variations on just a 'transformer concept' alone so I'm all for trying some new things.   I'm still amazed by the simple setup where I can power an LED by putting a wire on each end of a screwdriver which is put through a copper tube with a single cut along the side and that tube surrounded by some ferrite.   Small amount of AC power applied on opposite sides of the split in the copper tube (but it is still all one piece).   When you get the right frequency it really lights up.   There is nothing I need to buy to try xenophed's setup except welding rods (if my other idea doesn't work) so no big loss here.     

 

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