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« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2011, 09:36:33 AM »
Life itself is very talented.Living organisms develop methods of surviving.If teleportation is real I would assume some kind of lifeform has attained it.Afterall if you look up insect antigravity on the web,you will find articles on it.Why not teleportation too?triffid

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« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2011, 09:52:50 AM »
I did an internet search for insect teleportation and came back full circle to the article that claims chinese children could teleport radios and insects in repeatable experiments.   http://www.metatech.org/A06/teleport_teleportation_study.html    triffid

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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2011, 11:17:05 AM »
It is good that this discussion moves forward without any flaming .As we go through life , we are constantly bombarded with information . From an early age , we work out that not everything we hear is true . We learn to make choices , based on personal experience . Imagine how life would be if we believed everything we were told . Nadda thought it strange that I could believe in overunity ,but not telekinesis . I was going to say that machines don't lie , but apparently oscilloscopes can .Last night I watched that you tube video , the one where the guy offers 100,000 dollars to anyone who can prove that Randi is not a fake . Well , the only way to do that would be to win the prize .And so, like Randi , he feels his money is safe . So it seems to me that his motive is fame .Nadda asks why would he waste his time coming here to lie .Why did Mylow and Trowoegar , and numerous others ? Why would Nadda spend time developing an ability that by his own admission is dangerous? I would be delighted to learn that telekinesis is real .But my judgement is based on 65 years of life's experience .Until you can show me you might as well claim to be the son of God .Judging by the number of sons he had , god did not believe in birth controll .As ever , more questions than answers , but I live in hope .

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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2011, 07:28:51 PM »
I wish teleportation were real.At least if we could teleport things like water,metals.Think about how different our world would be.Could it be that we already have it?Not on view for the public where it really matters.triffid

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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2011, 07:54:03 PM »
@Triffid .Yes I am sure we all wish it was real , but wishing sadly does not make it so .For those of you who have not worked it out , my initial post on this thread was to stimulate controversy , and lead to further discussion .I have been disappointed with the response .I am also disappointed at the number of people who regard Randi as a fraud . In reading the report by the American Airforce , I was struck by the fact that they allready see Teleportation as a weapon of war , and that is before it has been proved to exist .

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2011, 09:29:55 PM »
@Triffid .Yes I am sure we all wish it was real , but wishing sadly does not make it so .For those of you who have not worked it out , my initial post on this thread was to stimulate controversy , and lead to further discussion .I have been disappointed with the response .I am also disappointed at the number of people who regard Randi as a fraud . In reading the report by the American Airforce , I was struck by the fact that they allready see Teleportation as a weapon of war , and that is before it has been proved to exist .
well, for the record, i was disappointed with your initial post... using that well worn and oh so flawed "extraordinary claims" platitude. at least you don't believe in imaginary godfaeries.

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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2011, 10:01:19 PM »
@Wilby .Ok then .Let us accept your revised version of the Extraordinary Claims thing , and substitute Unpopular claims . I feel that it amounts to much the same thing . If I claim to be the son of the local street sweeper , you may not ask for much in the way of proof . If I claim to have paranormal abilities , fewer people will take that claim at face value . So if you say that extraordinary proof is not necessary , you might agree that at least ordinary proof would at least be desirable . So far I have not seen any proof at all . Should such proof be forthcoming , I am prepared to judge it on its merits . Be honest . How many people have you met that can perform telekinesis ? I do not have a closed mind , and am willing to be shown .

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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2011, 10:39:52 PM »
@Wilby .Ok then .Let us accept your revised version of the Extraordinary Claims thing , and substitute Unpopular claims . I feel that it amounts to much the same thing . If I claim to be the son of the local street sweeper , you may not ask for much in the way of proof . If I claim to have paranormal abilities , fewer people will take that claim at face value . So if you say that extraordinary proof is not necessary , you might agree that at least ordinary proof would at least be desirable . So far I have not seen any proof at all . Should such proof be forthcoming , I am prepared to judge it on its merits . Be honest . How many people have you met that can perform telekinesis ? I do not have a closed mind , and am willing to be shown .
it does not amount to the same thing. please elucidate how "extraordinary" somehow becomes synonymous with "unpopular". i'll wait. ;) if they did in fact "amount to the same thing" then the jref should have been all over it, with the same zealotry they apply elsewhere. in its time, galileo's thesis was considered quite extraordinary, as was newton's. why should this have been held against them? it's good that you understand that it is only UNPOPULAR claims that fall under this fallacious "extraordinary evidence" umbrella. as i  noted earlier, the jref has done nothing to debunk one of the most extraordinary claims ever... nor have they touched on einstein's extraordinary claims, etc. etc. ad infintum, ad nauseam. which leads me to believe that randi is in it for the fame. ;)
ok i'll be honest. the amount of people i have met in relation to the amount of people in the entire world is insignificant... THEREFORE, i cannot, in good conscience, commit a logical fallacy known as a 'biased sample'. not quite the answer you were looking for i'm sure... ;)

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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2011, 05:18:10 AM »
The air force story may be disinformation.I agree that wishing does not make it so BUT flying was a wish for hundreds if not thousands of years and somehow we did it!Besides didn't tesla pave the way for teleportation?
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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2011, 05:28:05 AM »
The invention of the gun five hundred years ago was remarkable plus the gun has evolved into modern forms from the original.Along the way men have learned to deal with the gun and the issues it brings.If teleportation is being looked at as a weapon  Then money and time will be spent to develop it further.Along the way we hopefully will learn how to deal with its use as a weapon.triffid

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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2011, 10:53:28 AM »
@Wilby .No , that was not quite the answer I was looking for .But at least you gave me an answer .Perhaps it is better if we agree to disagree on Randi . I would however agree that we can not discount fame as part of his motivation , and anyway , fame probably comes with the territory . @Triffid .I agree that while wishing does not make it so , wishing is a first step to reaching our goal .We have learned to live [and die] with the gun , but I think we would have been better off without it . I just think it is a shame that people in power , when considering teleportation,see it as a new means of killing people , rather than a force for good .

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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2011, 12:37:27 PM »
@neptune, i pretty much agreed to disagree with you with my first post. ;)
regardless, i would still like to hear your explanation of how extraordinary is synonymous with unpopular. i would also love to hear your thoughts on why the jref has never "investigated" (i use that word because randi doesn't like being called a debunker ::) ) big bang theory. perhaps it is because debunking popular claims would make him unpopular... ;)

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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2011, 06:39:29 PM »
@Wilby .You misinterpreted  what I was trying to say .I did not say that extraordinary was synonymous with unpopular . What I said was that if we use the statement that Unpopular claims need extraordinary proof , then the situation amounts to much the same thing . In other words ,whether the claims are extraordinary or unpopular or indeed both , then I would require extraordinary proof .You would have to ask James as to why he has never investigated the big bang theory .I think that he feels that there are more important claims to investigate .As far as I know , no one is being fraudulently parted from their money , by the big bang theory .Everyone has their opinions , and these are mine .Yours may differ .

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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2011, 08:21:00 PM »
@Wilby .You misinterpreted  what I was trying to say .I did not say that extraordinary was synonymous with unpopular . What I said was that if we use the statement that Unpopular claims need extraordinary proof , then the situation amounts to much the same thing . In other words ,whether the claims are extraordinary or unpopular or indeed both , then I would require extraordinary proof .You would have to ask James as to why he has never investigated the big bang theory .I think that he feels that there are more important claims to investigate .As far as I know , no one is being fraudulently parted from their money , by the big bang theory .Everyone has their opinions , and these are mine .Yours may differ .
all of this is terribly off topic, but to be honest i am so tired of seeing that phrase bandied about i felt it necessary to rebut it. i've read your posts, i know you can think and you claim to have an open mind, so i am trying to give a little perspective here. my point is that this "extraordinary evidence" stuff is crap, on top of being hypocritical and a double standard... that these most sacred "truths" of popular science are in reality EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS which have never required EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. since there is no extraordinary evidence for the big bang theory or for general relativity i can assume you consider them to be woo-woo and flim-flam just like telekinesis?
you think no one is fraudulently parted from their money!?!?!? where do you think the money comes from that has gone into big bang theory research? from the sky? from imaginary godfaeries? just who do you think is paying the 9 BILLION for the LHC at CERN??? come on man... ::)

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« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2011, 09:07:41 PM »
@Wilby .If you assume that I think that the Big Bang theory is Flim Flam , You assume right . To me , actually , just how the universe started is of little consequence ,compared to some of the problems people face in the world today . You may be right about people being parted from their money .There is not a lot I personally can do about that . What bugs me is people being parted from their money by so-called psychics after they have lost a loved on . I feel that the space race is a waste of money whilst there are still people who go to bed hungry . As I said , these are my views . Others may not share them , and I can respect that .

 

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