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Author Topic: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread  (Read 261696 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #135 on: December 21, 2013, 02:33:55 AM »
Regarding this video from Hob:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LSTBMwC_lc

Hi Hob,
it seems you have shifted the phase now more than 90 degrees, maybe 120 degrees...How did you exactly connect the bridge rectifier and with what voltage is the battery recharged ? With 100 Hz pulsating rectified 50 Hz waveform ? WHat is its voltage when you disconnect the battery ? It seems the battery voltage pulls up the potential so the phase shift gets bigger and real active power is again flowing..
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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #136 on: December 21, 2013, 03:23:20 AM »
Luc

This may be a dumb question, but since you have a 120 volt generator and are using very little amps to power your circuit, could you not use a 120 volt to 220 volt transformer on your generator outlet to increase its output volts and conduct the same test on the induction motor that you did with the grid?

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #137 on: December 21, 2013, 03:33:57 AM »
Luc

This may be a dumb question, but since you have a 120 volt generator and are using very little amps to power your circuit, could you not use a 120 volt to 220 volt transformer on your generator outlet to increase its output volts and conduct the same test on the induction motor that you did with the grid?

Vince

Hi Vince,

unfortunately not. A step up transformer will have double the resistance in the 220v voltage coil, so now we have a gain in voltage but the current will be eaten up by the higher resistance.

The way I see it now is, the source must be of the smallest resistance but of high voltage also.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #137 on: December 21, 2013, 03:33:57 AM »
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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #138 on: December 21, 2013, 03:49:46 AM »
Luc,

In your video #2 where you show the setup with the 5 & 10 Ohm series resistors, I wonder if you've taken the temperature of those resistors? If so, how hot did they get?

Would you be willing to do a DC test on them to verify the power you measured?

Thanks.

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #139 on: December 21, 2013, 04:14:10 AM »
Hi poynt99,
regarding your 2 circuit diagrams at:
http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/dlattach/attach/130974/

if we look both times for to see the consumed power at the load resistor,
we must only invert the  channel 2 scope trace in the lower circuit diagram.
(as there the flowing current is displayed negatively on the scope)

In the upper diagram the channel 2 at the shunt resistor must not be inverted.

Let´s just measure it normal to see it only from the side of the "load resistor",
that is in GotoLuc´s case the LCR circuit,
as it is normally done.

This is less confusing than what you want to measure.
The topic is difficult enough, so we don´t need to be confused with more confusing
measurement methods.

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #139 on: December 21, 2013, 04:14:10 AM »
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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #140 on: December 21, 2013, 04:16:14 AM »
Luc,

In your video #2 where you show the setup with the 5 & 10 Ohm series resistors, I wonder if you've taken the temperature of those resistors? If so, how hot did they get?

Would you be willing to do a DC test on them to verify the power you measured?

Thanks.

.99

Hi poynt,

no temperature readings were taken. My IR temp reader is in storage. I'm kind of limited on stuff at this time as I have no home. Now living for free in my uncles basement. Can't afford a place of my own.

Are you suggesting to FWBR the ac and attache the load to dc? if so It can be done but 3 to 4 watts could be lost in the conversion.

I'm wondering why you want to see that since test 5 already demonstrates 20+ Watts going to charge a dc battery!

Maybe appreciate what I just shared then to keep asking for more. I think I've shown enough and it's now time to replicate if you need more. I'm sure you can understand I don't owe anything to anyone and would like to use my own time for the development of the circuit then to prove this or that to all who come.

Please don't take this personally as I'm not just writing this for you.

The circuit is not complicated to build lol... it all can be done for free from garbage you pickup here and there.
Just grab a capacitor and FWBR and do the test Hob did.

Luc

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #141 on: December 21, 2013, 04:27:10 AM »
Luc,

By DC test I meant that you would simply connect the 15 Ohm load to a variable DC supply and adjust it until you achieve the same temperature they were at while powered by your circuit. It's a simple and effective way to confirm the power measurement in the resistors.

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #142 on: December 21, 2013, 04:32:45 AM »
Hi poynt99,
regarding your 2 circuit diagrams at:
http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/dlattach/attach/130974/

if we look both times for to see the consumed power at the load resistor,
we must only invert the  channel 2 scope trace in the lower circuit diagram.
(as there the flowing current is displayed negatively on the scope)

In the upper diagram the channel 2 at the shunt resistor must not be inverted.

Let´s just measure it normal to see it only from the side of the "load resistor",
that is in GotoLuc´s case the LCR circuit,
as it is normally done.

This is less confusing than what you want to measure.
The topic is difficult enough, so we don´t need to be confused with more confusing
measurement methods.
I don't know what you find confusing Stefan. You haven't even shown any analysis of my diagram to explain your objection. May I suggest you start there? I asked some clear and simple questions about the the previous diagrams; have you tried answering them?

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #143 on: December 21, 2013, 04:38:34 AM »
Luc,

By DC test I meant that you would simply connect the 15 Ohm load to a variable DC supply and adjust it until you achieve the same temperature they were at while powered by your circuit. It's a simple and effective way to confirm the power measurement in the resistors.

So does this mean we cant even trust a 58Hz RMS readings from a high end scope now?

This will never end!... I don't know why I bother to torture myself like this ???

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #144 on: December 21, 2013, 04:51:03 AM »
Well Luc,

The scope was at the same time displaying an average power of 1.66W. Am I assuming wrong that this MATH reading is for the power in the resistors? If it was not for the resistors, then what?

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« Reply #145 on: December 21, 2013, 05:07:56 AM »
This will never end!... I don't know why I bother to torture myself like this ???
Indeed, my sentiments as well.

I've apparently wasted too much time on this already. Good luck.

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #147 on: December 21, 2013, 12:35:55 PM »
Hi
   this thing seems to be doing what is claimed. Could anyone please tell me how it could
be used in a practical way?
                           John
Suppose you have a motor driving a generator. Lets use a dc motor, so we can easily see it's power usage. Suppose it is a 12 Volt 5A motor. It is able to overcome all resistive loads on the generator which is attached to the shaft. We then use the generators output and place there one circuit (see Luc's #3 and 4 videos) of MOT + C + Rectifier + battery. As you can see, 1.7 Amps is being delivered. How ever the dc motor will show no increase of amperage. Now connect at least 2 more of this circuit. It will still not increase the current to the 12 volt motor, but now we have 5.1 Amps. After some fine tuning (the generator does have a limit to the amount of added circuits) there will be a maximum of delivered amps (note that we also have free heat, these mot's do get warm, I'd like that in the winter very much).
For some reason I am feeling very comfortable about this reactive setup. An analogy (imho): the power company asks us to add a capacitor to a inductive load. if you look at the video explaining 'power factor', you will see that the added capacitor is in fact storing half of the sinus wave the power which is induced back, and the next half cycle it is freeing that power to the inductor, and thus the power factor is corrected. In pure reactive mode, the same (alike) seems to be happening. Note I am not saying the same is happening, it is pure for reference.
Also think of this (and when Luc slows down his inductive motor you can see this): a motor is as well a generator. So: when the motor is not spinning, the oscilloscope show the low voltage on the motor (a few volts). When the motor has spun up, the voltage increases to 50-ish volts. This is a motor-generator effect in equilibrium.

Well, of course I can be wrong, but by looking at this open minded, the idea is that all we need to find out is the limit of the reactive power which we can get or draw from the generator. If we have 3 Amps running (as in his demo) then I expect a 1000W generator is limited to 3 reactive circuits attached. Because the amps are flowing, but in a resonating way. The coils in the generator are in fact part of the LCR circuit as well, things are little more complex if you add it all up (haha, but not on the inductive part of a 0.1 ohm resistor, I dare say that sort of influence is really next to zero). Any way. it can and will run looped, and then with a surplus. As well in warmth as in power out in any way.

So far my thoughts. The more we share the further we will get on this.

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #148 on: December 21, 2013, 12:49:11 PM »
I would just like to say to luc you are a special person sharing even with all people trying to blow you out of the water. I for one would like to say a heartfelt thanks to you for this knowledge and hope the naysayers don't scare you off. hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year ron from Australia please delete post if it is inappropriate. thank you kind sir

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Re: Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread
« Reply #149 on: December 21, 2013, 01:26:51 PM »
Hi everyone,

the circuit is about to take a huge change!

Strange how we see something and we don't follow through. About two weeks ago I had a MOT that was cut open, just the E core with both the coils in it and I was able to get 95% of the effect and with no short to the Secondary. I put it aside for testing later and didn't get back to it till last night after exchanges with Hob.

Well it looks like a MOT is NOT needed LOL. Now I know why some experimenters had different results!

Consider your power source (Alternator) as the Inductor, so the main component is the Capacitor. Adding another Inductor may have benefits but lets leave it out for now.

So the test is so simple there's no reasons anyone cannot to do it. So no more loads of tests and questions needed to be answered by me, you will answers all your questions by seeing the results yourself.

New Test:


connect a Capacitor in series of around 35uf or lower and choose another component of your choice, Resistor or FWBR and connect it also in series with your capacitor, that's it.

If you chose a FWBR you connect the AC legs in series and you need a battery on the DC side but be careful if you feed 220v though and have no load attached to your battery as in no time it will got over the ideal charge voltage limit  of 14.5 Volts. So have enough load attached to your battery to keep the voltage around 12.8 volts.

An  Induction Motor of very low coil resistance could also be used as a component choice but you will need to add a flip flop relay to start it off a non reactive power source as I did in my demo video.

Adding an Inductor in the Network could have benefits but can be done in time once you better understand the effect.
I also think the Inductor would be of super low resistance and of low Inductance value.

I believe the basic effect is:

Electricity has two components, Voltage and Current,  if you separate them (90 degrees phase shift) and just allow them to flow through a circuit (series network) each component of electricity will be able to do their work WITHOUT crashing in each other (short circuit)

I think for the past 100 years we've been making circuits that just basically short circuits electricity and as a result we only have losses.

So maybe this circuit can be summed up by "Don't Kill The Dipole"

Looking forward in your test results!... good luck to all and please share your results to help the development.

Luc

 

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