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Offline M Drive Inventor

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #90 on: February 26, 2014, 06:32:29 PM »
I'd do it if I thought it would accomplish anything. As it stands I don't understand the purpose of the experiment.

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« Reply #90 on: February 26, 2014, 06:32:29 PM »

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #91 on: February 26, 2014, 07:58:18 PM »
I'd do it if I thought it would accomplish anything. As it stands I don't understand the purpose of the experiment.

Doing the very simple experiment I propose will show you:

-------- Your wagon can move forwards or backwards depending in which direction you block the movement. ----------

-------- In one direction it moves better, but the crucial outcome is that it will also move in the other direction (which it should not do). ----------


A complicated way of doing it would be ratchet wheels, and the ratchet would have to be adjustable for forward or backward movement.

There is no need for ratchet wheels, you can block forward or backward movement by holding something rigid against the fore side or back side of your wagon.

Many people have gone where you are right now. Sooner or later they did the crucial experiment and moved on (to something more rewarding).

You do not do the proposed experiment for me, you are doing it for you (and you are not obliged to talk about it or to make it public, just do it and think about it).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #92 on: March 14, 2014, 10:23:53 AM »
Can't recall if I posted this already, but I think this M Drive is slip and stick. Very hard to get away from that on a mechanical system. Reminds me of my mover which sadly turned out to be  slip and stick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWSl7P1iitQ

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2014, 04:36:50 PM »
Copy-pasting from another forum I've been posting on. Basically I did the pendulum experiment, which is supposed to be impossible to beat. Yet, I have some very interesting results I think you should have a look at.

"I'm back from performing new experiments. I'm hungry as hell, so I'll make it short. I was able to accelerate the machine in one direction only, the direction of travel (forward), which is the direction it is designed to go. This means it was easy to get it into a swinging motion, as long as you kept doing cycles as it swung forward.

This is the interesting part though. If I did cycles as it swung backwards the swinging would stop, decelerate. I don't think even a kid on a swing could do that.

I did several attempts at passing the pendulum experiment, but it was hard to notice with your naked eye if the dot stayed more on one side than the other.

I recorded everything, and here it is:

https://mega.co.nz/#!MQIhwbCJ!l_4nMFWCw-HHnLOF7SCqI9MWuFIIDqE3qRyPMWWIve8
https://mega.co.nz/#!cAYgXb5J!T_Q4cberuHMGOoN2-O2k8P0jf1bPZ-QaAM9uKXlLG9g
https://mega.co.nz/#!lcIDVShZ!_hNiVzMxwZHmOdXx6uTYSyL5kLd-aFqhrWbD4m7PEEI
https://mega.co.nz/#!JUJE1Y5Q!sw2z0oPuSluyh9h1vsDu0tmACkfy5ZQmKY1gt6IfPPs
https://mega.co.nz/#!QN5wRZxI!VKgp6kcluSbFD7tekyBuWFNFplyOEHanhqvLrI_h2W4
https://mega.co.nz/#!cQQTwZob!x6V4LIisdZqTIsX3_XteGfmEpawlLyf_ZE7QHiPXLQ0
https://mega.co.nz/#!4JZEgJLZ!iABc7watO2BWIYc2SDPM7dgVLgQnPPsbR2tZZOrSrQ8
https://mega.co.nz/#!lZpGnSgD!AJeYBnxdkmo7-aqIJL5rmiZGKP_7CFvZru0l2RaNNdI
https://mega.co.nz/#!gV5FBCJT!S0xAC9A_3Ww2pFGQ8gG0pxP80OO5hIpltclIuZL8XBA
https://mega.co.nz/#!8MgmARyT!zvhwcWf-rJrghQcIwPhWBim2brpSBzbE5lfqqmJHV1Q

(The missing videos are errors in recording, they were only a few seconds long.)"

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2014, 07:42:53 PM »
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This is the interesting part though. If I did cycles as it swung backwards the swinging would stop, decelerate. I don't think even a kid on a swing could do that.

It must be a long time since you've been a kid on a swing. Of course a kid can do that. Any oscillating system will come to a stop if it is "pumped" 180 degrees out-of-phase. How do you think active vibration damper systems or active noise-cancelling headphones work?

Good for you for trying the experiment and reporting it. I don't have time to go through the videos at the moment but I'll check them out later on.

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« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2014, 07:42:53 PM »
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Offline M Drive Inventor

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2014, 10:17:32 AM »
The subject is being discussed here as well:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/72265-Could-a-Gyroscopic-inertial-thruster-ever-work/page33

The user N_las just posted a graph showing the median position of the dot, which is interesting because you can clearly see that doing cycles is accelerating the machine forward. In video 17 the laser dot spends more time on the left side (the direction the machine is designed to travel towards) than the right as well. By almost 10% nonetheless.

So, it's exciting to say the least. I know I'll have to do more experiments, but... yeah, exciting! :)

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2014, 12:16:06 PM »

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #97 on: April 11, 2014, 01:44:39 PM »
But it's not the "median position of the dot" that is important, it is the position of the _center of mass_ of the oscillating system.

Many people have been fooled by this. The center of mass of the system shifts a bit, so the pendulum _suspension_ or indicator system shifts also.... but the true center of mass remains directly under the suspension point, or oscillates symmetrically about that position.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #98 on: April 11, 2014, 02:02:12 PM »
But it's not the "median position of the dot" that is important, it is the position of the _center of mass_ of the oscillating system.

Many people have been fooled by this. The center of mass of the system shifts a bit, so the pendulum _suspension_ or indicator system shifts also.... but the true center of mass remains directly under the suspension point, or oscillates symmetrically about that position.
Unfortunately you can't measure the center of mass at all times in this system. If I had another set of gyros that moved perfectly out of phase with the other two, which would be a tremendously complex machine to build, then you could simply attach a laser pointer to the "frame" and measure the CoG.

The dot _is_ static to the center of gravity when there are no cycles being performed though.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #99 on: July 08, 2014, 04:25:32 PM »
I just performed a new pendulum experiment, and I have some very interesting results. I'm mainly posting in this thread:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/72265-Could-a-Gyroscopic-inertial-thruster-ever-work/page40

This is a copy of my reply there:

Just back from performing the experiments. I got some really interesting results, and I'd like your opinions on them. For one, it really does look like it passes the pendulum test. While I couldn't get the dot to stay on one side 100% of the time, it really does look like it spends a lot more time on the left side than the right.

There's about 25 videos recorded, but here's a few of them.

This is a short intro, showing the setup and how the gyros are positioned:
https://mega.co.nz/#!AZxmUDSJ!_LThPqScqb2E73QzvMPjJbvyYlXOl7GMm1VCJW7aDOg

3 good videos, probably the best so far. The numbers after the video number are timestamps where something interesting happens. So "0019-0054" means "check out 00:19-00:54".
https://mega.co.nz/#!8ZRxwIjT!a7fUclUDgHn-15bquqHMQLMfZe2oWoRBTE2MaA76cDc
https://mega.co.nz/#!5FAXzTAR!xa5Zwau8I5tHlLkMW3Xt-HV_-aXqddLsOgpS5y6v4nQ
https://mega.co.nz/#!kEoxSBDZ!d5d0jbH5TWoLm22N6_zgEklYfR7YiUnuAKQIlEWcwZs

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #100 on: July 08, 2014, 06:02:52 PM »
M Drive: You say in page 2 that you have studied the work of the late Professor Eric Laithwaite. Have you? If you are preparing a patent, then look before you leap else you will waste a lot of money that could go into development.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2014, 06:41:35 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1KtInq4Jo8

Youtube video up. Tell me what you think. Because to me, it looks like it passes the pendulum test... 

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #102 on: July 10, 2014, 12:31:46 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1KtInq4Jo8

Youtube video up. Tell me what you think. Because to me, it looks like it passes the pendulum test...

Nice setup. Now, without changing anything else, move your power supply and feed wires over to the right side, and see if you still think it displaces more to the left.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #103 on: July 10, 2014, 08:50:29 AM »
Yeah, I agree the wires are actually a little troublesome out of a scientific perspective. They're kinda thick and stiff now. Thinking of getting 4 thin, flexible wires and having them "exit" the M Drive just by the laser pointer, underneath the skateboard, meaning if they interfere, it'll at least be equal in both directions. It wouldn't favor any one direction.

Or maybe I'll do some other solution where the wires are coming in from the top somehow.

Though the wires were never really a problem in the last pendulum test, where the wires were in the back (I reversed the direction for this experiment).

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #104 on: July 10, 2014, 01:48:00 PM »
I am glad this thread didnt die.
There was one group that had something interesting,and was driving a canoe through the water with there setup. I seem to remember a thread(maybe even this one?) that discused that device.I also seem to remember TK(forgive me if im wrong TK),saying it was working in a similar way to that of a skater on skates. I dont think this explination was correct in this case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4LT3GZjlY

 

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