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Author Topic: Simple coil/magnet setup. Inspired by faraday light, 3d MODEL PICTURES  (Read 11202 times)

stonrman401

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Hello, I have a bunch of small ceramic magnets, but for this example Im going to pretend the magnets in this scene are neodymium.

Now, I get a lot of complaints when people click links I put up as "remote hosting forbidden" well if this happens to you, I only ask that you copy-paste the URLs into your browser.

Now I dont have much knowledge of which free energy machines work or which don't. The ones that do seem too complicated if you dont have a good understanding of electricity. I do have a faraday flashlight though, so it's obvious a magnet passing through coil windings provides electricity.... when hooked up to a capacitator, the charge can be stored.

However, I play with 3d studio a lot and thought this idea out today, then spent about an hour modelling it. I want you guys to tell me what you think, and there's a main question I want to ask, at the end (read on...)

So we'll start with the parts (I dont have all these parts but maybe someone here does? Sorry if this idea seems really primitive, let me know if theres a more efficient setup)

First, 5 neodymium magnets all the same size. (Image 1)
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/1.jpg

Secondly, you have a plastic hollow tube, with coil wound around the center. At each end of the tube are small rubber "caps". Then, there are 2 wooden (or non magnetic) wheels, one with a handle. There is a rubber band around the wheels, so that when one is turned the other turns at the same exact time. Now obviously for the hollow tube and wheel to remain stationary like this, a few more parts would be required. (image 2)
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/2.jpg

Now let's say you cut holes in the wood big enough for 4 of our magnets to fit in. Let's say you glue them in there... as in image 5
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/5.jpg

Then let's say you put a magnet in the center of the hollow tube, and cap it off thus the magnet won't get out. Now if everything works as I think it could, when you turn the handle, the magnets will rotate, pushing and pulling the magnet in the tube as you turn it. Take a look at these 2 images to see how it could work:
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/3.jpg
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/4.jpg

It's obvious manual labor, or maybe a waterfall would have to power this, but still it would create electricity, right?

Anyways, my main question is this.

What if we took the same setup and built it in a way that just turning one handle was linked to MANY of these wheels, thus providing more than one source of electricity. My question is could these separate sources be COMBINED in such a way, that the amount of voltage/wattage/whatever be multiplied? (I told you Im not expert)

I honestly think if someone had enough brains to figure this out could hook a motor up to the capacitator and have it self run eventually.

If ANYONE has ANY feedback Id appreciate it so much, thank you. I also realize this is rather simple so any advice would be helpful. I have neither the money or materials to test this right now, but just looking at my faraday light made me think this could totally be done.

sergio007

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Re: Simple coil/magnet setup. Inspired by faraday light, 3d MODEL PICTURES
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 10:09:52 AM »
I'm sorry for you, what you draws is a simple Alternator  ;D

To learn more :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator

Then right now, always more input power than the coil output.

Alp
Sergio

Clara Listensprechen

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If you put Mom Nature to work, the work costs aren't yours--it's work she does ANYWAY.  Keep that in mind.

And now for a warning about certain commercially made Faraday flashlights:

Don't you believe that they don't have batteries.  They do.  They use two 3 volt lithium batteries (CR2032) giving the appearance of being charged by the coil as fed thru a diode bridge.  When a battery fails, the flashlight fails to perform as advertised.

They also have a problem with bad solder connections at the bridge.
Caveat Emptor.

Similar to what's on sale at Amazon via this website:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?path=ASIN/B00068RVYE&link_code=as2&camp=1789&tag=overunitcomth-20&creative=9325

Right below the on/off switch is the location of the two batteries looking like a pair of stacked pancakes.  The two CR2032 batteries, specifically, were discovered inside a Faraday flashlight manufactured by Legacy, called the Everlight Flashlight, advertised on its packaging as "No Batteries Needed, EVER!"
« Last Edit: March 28, 2007, 05:35:04 PM by Clara Listensprechen »

Duranza

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I had one of those flash lights and the batteries died.. I tryed to get the company to replace it, but they didn't want to... Oh well...

libra_spirit

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Hello, I have a bunch of small ceramic magnets, but for this example Im going to pretend the magnets in this scene are neodymium.

Now, I get a lot of complaints when people click links I put up as "remote hosting forbidden" well if this happens to you, I only ask that you copy-paste the URLs into your browser.

Now I dont have much knowledge of which free energy machines work or which don't. The ones that do seem too complicated if you dont have a good understanding of electricity. I do have a faraday flashlight though, so it's obvious a magnet passing through coil windings provides electricity.... when hooked up to a capacitator, the charge can be stored.

However, I play with 3d studio a lot and thought this idea out today, then spent about an hour modelling it. I want you guys to tell me what you think, and there's a main question I want to ask, at the end (read on...)

So we'll start with the parts (I dont have all these parts but maybe someone here does? Sorry if this idea seems really primitive, let me know if theres a more efficient setup)

First, 5 neodymium magnets all the same size. (Image 1)
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/1.jpg

Secondly, you have a plastic hollow tube, with coil wound around the center. At each end of the tube are small rubber "caps". Then, there are 2 wooden (or non magnetic) wheels, one with a handle. There is a rubber band around the wheels, so that when one is turned the other turns at the same exact time. Now obviously for the hollow tube and wheel to remain stationary like this, a few more parts would be required. (image 2)
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/2.jpg

Now let's say you cut holes in the wood big enough for 4 of our magnets to fit in. Let's say you glue them in there... as in image 5
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/5.jpg

Then let's say you put a magnet in the center of the hollow tube, and cap it off thus the magnet won't get out. Now if everything works as I think it could, when you turn the handle, the magnets will rotate, pushing and pulling the magnet in the tube as you turn it. Take a look at these 2 images to see how it could work:
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/3.jpg
http://visualorgasmness.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/pmm/4.jpg

It's obvious manual labor, or maybe a waterfall would have to power this, but still it would create electricity, right?

Anyways, my main question is this.

What if we took the same setup and built it in a way that just turning one handle was linked to MANY of these wheels, thus providing more than one source of electricity. My question is could these separate sources be COMBINED in such a way, that the amount of voltage/wattage/whatever be multiplied? (I told you Im not expert)

I honestly think if someone had enough brains to figure this out could hook a motor up to the capacitator and have it self run eventually.

If ANYONE has ANY feedback Id appreciate it so much, thank you. I also realize this is rather simple so any advice would be helpful. I have neither the money or materials to test this right now, but just looking at my faraday light made me think this could totally be done.

You will discover that if you are going to the trouble to spin the magnets on the sides, by the coil in the center you will not need the inner magnet to make electricity. Replace it with a chunk of stationary iron very close to the spinning magnets and you will have a generator. The magnets spinning by the coil will produce electricity, as they pass they will magnetize the iron core. Unless there is an amplification 2x from the repelling pulse there may be no advantage to sliding it.

If you have several of these pistons you can combine them by running them through diodes to charge a central capacitor or battery if the output voltage is high enough. In this way 100's of these could supply a greater output current, say if they were powered by the waves of the ocean. Hundreds of pulses would all come into a central storage bank of batteries. Capacitors can also be connected in series with one of these at each level if the voltage is too low, and several of these can then produce a higher output voltage.

Looks like a fun experiment. One thing about building things like this, you will directly observe what really happens rather then what our current theory predicts!

K&J magnetics makes some perfect 1/2" neo disc magnets that will slide inside a 1/2" tube very nicely. I've never tried sliding magnets this way through a coil to see how high the output really is. Generally more turns on the coil will produce higher voltages, but the diodes will loose up to 1/2 volt of the output charging the capacitors.

Another intresting twist would be to set a conical coil wound to 44.5 feet of wire length along the tube and then see what comes out of the coil as the magnet slides through it, this will add a tempic field to the mix as well. The cone should be approx 45 degrees.

Good luck,
Dave L




Grim

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Re: Simple coil/magnet setup. Inspired by faraday light, 3d MODEL PICTURES
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2007, 04:50:03 AM »
How about one of Da Vinci's perpetual motion machines, with a coil on each straight tube. Magnetic balls run through, and you have current.

I can't embed the video, but here is the link to the PM machine...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhR-K10UjnY