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Author Topic: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped  (Read 77117 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2013, 04:29:07 PM »
Well, at least the second design avoids all the speculation so I think that is the one I should build.
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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2013, 04:29:07 PM »

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2013, 06:55:28 PM »
When you go to Stirling's QmoGen page, you can read the double talk, Phase angle, power factor, resonance, none of which can produce real power to run anything! They are either hiding their idea or covering up the facts.

Torque increasing device! Real or not.  Centrifugal force increases with RPM at very little cost.

Mmm, I tend to agree... There's a lot of speculation, but nothing replicable. Out of the 30+, no one has given any proper details, published any tests. The guy with the patent seems to have vanished...

I do think though, that slipping belts etc. giving rise to sharp changes in acceleration could give rise to OU - if the 'Fifth Element' / 3rd derivative theory of force is true:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward124.htm

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2013, 01:01:35 PM »
The guy with the patent hasn't vanished. Stirling has posted new info:
http://pesn.com/2013/12/11/9602405_Interview-with-QMoGen-Patent-Holder_Jesse-McQueen/

It all sounds quite bizarre...

I was trying to find input power requirements for alternators. I found this spec - and on the last page it shows efficiency & input & output power. Always UU:
http://www.raad-eng.com/techdata/stamford/PI734D.pdf

Stirling also posted 'plans' for a QMoGen. But I can't see any indication in there of how it might go OU. It also uses a big motor and smaller generator - unlike others:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_Nigerian_QMoGen_Plans

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2013, 01:01:35 PM »
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2013, 10:09:42 PM »
tim123,

Thank you for the .pdf specification for the rotating equipment. Generally I think that this device
should be called a "generator head" rather than an alternator. A generator often contains a small
secondary magneto that produces DC to run "field" magnets in the rotor. The AVR automatic
voltage regulator controls the strength of the field current such that the output voltage becomes
regulated. In a generator the number of magnetic poles past the output coils per second becomes
the output AC frequency, so mechanical input RPM needs to be carefully controlled.

An alternator has a battery that supplies the initial field current, but then suprisingly works
the same way, but rectifies it's output 3phase to DC. The 3phase is done to limit cogging as
the energy is spread three ways. The alternator therfore needs not to produce any specific
frequency and input RPM is uncontrolled.

Now about the efficiency figures. This shows that the device is nearly 96 percent efficient while
it still produces it's own DC field current. I assume this is absolute mechanical efficiency.  Imagine
replacing the dynamic field generation by permanent magnets, It seems difficult that the
efficiency figures would still be below 100% without having any power being dissipated creating
the field. I would have assumed that permanent magnets in this service was impossible, but
yet Albia Company has listing for permanent magnet AC equipment.

Now regulating the voltage of permanent magnet equipment would be difficult because the
AVR would have difficulties controlling the field strength but...

So something seems not to add up in the efficiency department which is one reason that
I feel that Q-moto-generators may be possible.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2013, 10:31:18 PM »
Hi Mark :)
 I was looking to see if I could find torque outputs & requirements for motors & generators & them match them up to make OU. I didn't really find what I was looking for... But I didn't look that hard...

I was wondering if the rated specs for some motors etc might give the torque needed to run a bigger generator head.

I was intrigued by the idea of using a starter motor - but I didn't get as far as doing any calcs... I must admit to being a bit skeptical about the whole thing still. Skeptical, but open-minded.

Regards, Tim

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
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Offline lumen

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2013, 02:36:13 AM »
I really don't see any of these working.

I like this one:

8.   "Please DO NOT operate the fuelless generator for more than 18hrs a day; at least switch it off for 3-4 hrs each day after long usage, this is to cob any problem arising from over usage of the dc motor and over temperature of the battery."

AND

"DISADVANTAGES:
 Deficiency in capacitor, if not properly rated it may need constant boosting"

One has to wonder what all this means!



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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2013, 03:01:11 PM »

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Offline lumen

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2013, 04:39:11 PM »
That's a nice clear picture of about 40% loss.

I would bet that a simple inverter running the light bulb would run longer on those two batteries.





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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2013, 10:16:18 AM »
I have a video documentary of free energy inventions, with the inventors describing their inventions. One was indeed a zero friction alternator. Under a load even. The description was vague, describing an odd number of rotor magnets with an even number of stator collectors, or vise verse. It was a well published documentary, narrated by a well known narrator at the time. 1987 I think.
The segment that got my attention was the DC crystal battery. Produces direct current indefinitely, and can produce enough current to explode. Did a little research, and the closest I got to the design concept was something to do with the transition fault between a crystal and its melt forces the polarity by tapping zero point somehow? The guy gives an undeniable demonstration, but little on the material used, and the process involved. Now that is the mac daddy of discoveries right there fellows.  :o

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2013, 11:16:11 AM »
There's a chap called Emmett Butler - who's promising to explain how to build a QMoGen in the next couple of weeks, according to:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Emmett_L._Butler%27s_QMoGen

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2013, 02:45:36 PM »
This is BS of the highest order


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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2013, 04:16:12 PM »

Offline TheCell

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2013, 05:26:43 PM »
No nonsense!
A few patents dealing with the subject.

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2013, 05:55:24 PM »
No nonsense!
A few patents dealing with the subject.

Hi TheCell :)
  interesting patents... I don't read Dutch though... Can you tell us if there's anything in there that might be considered a *principle of operation* ?

I've not heard anything that sounds like a reasonable explanation for how one might work.

Jesse McQueen says you have to 'match up' the components. But how can you match a 1Kw motor to a 10Kw gen? It makes no sense...  :-\

I'm as mystified by this as I am by Rarenergia... lol.

Regards, Tim

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2013, 06:43:46 PM »
Hello tim123
this direct-shaft driven motor-gen with no gears and belts I have only one Idea it could work as a 'skalar wave charger' which was a device by john bedini. There was a motor driven by  a battery which drained down; the motor was still turning far blow his normal operating voltage. This kind of device was introduced by an african replicator some time ago also.
For the version with belts and gears.
In the thread 'Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower' another Forum site 'Inventacom' was raised and one Member reported that with a combination of 2 belts and a gear box he was able to operate his motor-gen combination. See photo. THis gear box he said was out of an old photocopy machine which used induction motors in the early days.
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