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Author Topic: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped  (Read 77217 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2014, 07:08:14 PM »
This was a simple test to show that a gyro can generate a stable platform while consuming little energy to power itself.
The long term theory here is the possibility to supply centrifugal force, working only against the gyro's stability, to operate the gyro.
The concept would allow a single bearing point on a larger driving wheel as the only connection and would prevent any reverse interaction with the driving wheel.
 
 
Not a good description but in the end centrifugal force working against the gyro would power the gyro with 90% free excess energy.
 
 
 

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #106 on: January 14, 2014, 04:52:25 AM »
Hi Lumen,
  that is a beautiful build... It's great to see actual research being done... :)

Are you working towards building one of your gyro-wheel things?

Thanks, The build took 1 day to dig for parts and design it and 2 days to build it.

I believe from the tests that it may be possible to build great force in inertial mass with little energy and that one only needs to use that force to achieve an over unity device.
It may be that a gyro is not even required to do the task but it appears to me the gyro test has shown the potential exists.

In my next build, I plan to skip ahead to a design that I hope can convert the force of inertial mass into useable output and do some testing on that.

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2014, 11:53:26 AM »
Hi Lumen,
  I'm looking forward to the next installment.

FYI - came across this the other day (http://www.keelynet.com/interact/arc_1_98-7_98/00000297.htm)

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> All one needed to see was Laithwaite standing on a large weighing
> machine and doing his flywheel lift while one read the weight
> recorded. It was only years later that a television documentary on
> Laithwaite's gyroscopic activity, which included participation by the
> Alex Jones, was screened here in U.K. and it did include that weighing
> machine demonstration which proved the weight loss.

Could be an interesting experiment... :)

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2014, 11:53:26 AM »
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Offline tim123

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #108 on: January 14, 2014, 11:56:24 AM »
In case anyone missed it, here's a 'Q Mo Gen' that's hopefully soon to be available to buy:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Midtech_Energy_Black_Box_Power_Station

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2014, 02:58:27 PM »
centrifugal force working against the gyro would power the gyro with 90% free excess energy.
So again I'm not exactly sure what's going on.  Was there any evidence of this device actually providing any free energy?  Is there some model for this device which if you change a parameter you would expect free energy?

Also it, simply on casual inspection appears that everything that's happening in the device is happening because of the battery.  So what reason do we have to believe we can get more than a "battery's worth" of power out of this?  Put another way, where exactly do we think the excess power would come from, if not from the battery?

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2014, 05:06:17 PM »
In case anyone missed it, here's a 'Q Mo Gen' that's hopefully soon to be available to buy:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Midtech_Energy_Black_Box_Power_Station


Have I heard that before some where like about 40 times


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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #111 on: January 14, 2014, 05:29:29 PM »
So again I'm not exactly sure what's going on.  Was there any evidence of this device actually providing any free energy?  Is there some model for this device which if you change a parameter you would expect free energy?

Also it, simply on casual inspection appears that everything that's happening in the device is happening because of the battery.  So what reason do we have to believe we can get more than a "battery's worth" of power out of this?  Put another way, where exactly do we think the excess power would come from, if not from the battery?

Sorry if you thought this was an over unity device. ::)
 
This was an experiment to show how the forces generated from inertial mass are several times stronger than the forces required to cause the effect. (sounds a bit like over unity)
 
I could have done this electronically (other than the motor providing the force) but using only mechanical components leaves no room to debate the results. The results show that while using only 10% of a force to drive inertial mass, a counter force over 9x stronger is produced.
 
How can this be used to provide excess energy? That is the question.
 
 
 

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #112 on: January 14, 2014, 06:55:34 PM »
Sorry if you thought this was an over unity device. ::)
Research towards overunity devices should probably consist of devices showing an overunity effect.  Even if that effect is debatable.
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How can this be used to provide excess energy? That is the question.
Uh but again, all of the motion seems to be the result of having a battery hooked up.  So how could you expect to get more than a battery's worth of work out of this?

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #113 on: January 14, 2014, 07:30:48 PM »
Research towards overunity devices should probably consist of devices showing an overunity effect.  Even if that effect is debatable.Uh but again, all of the motion seems to be the result of having a battery hooked up.  So how could you expect to get more than a battery's worth of work out of this?

There are none so blind as those that cannot see! (or are there)

I just setup what is essentially a balance beam with 90% offset on one side and 10% on the other and with equal weights, the 10% side wins!

Is that an over unity device? No because it's not producing an output. Does it have potential to be an over unity device? I would think so.


It's just a test of applied forces where the results are what you would expect. Don't try to make it more than it is.


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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #114 on: January 14, 2014, 09:00:02 PM »
There are none so blind as those that cannot see! (or are there)
I think people who substitute platitudes for thinking critically are kind of blind.  Don't you?
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I just setup what is essentially a balance beam with 90% offset on one side and 10% on the other and with equal weights, the 10% side wins!
Except that you *couldn't* set up a balance beam like that and if you could - you could easily extract energy from it.  So the question is why does it *appear* (to you anyway) as if you had and why is there no obvious way to exploit this?
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It's just a test of applied forces where the results are what you would expect.
A test usually involves a hypothesis and it's unclear what yours is and if these forces are "applied" what is applying them other than the battery?  Perhaps I miss the point of OU "research" but it's unclear how this is even a candidate for an OU device.  There is no explanation of what you are trying to falsify and the device's operation seems to be fully explained by "There is a battery attached to a motor".
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Don't try to make it more than it is.
Dude.  You said: "then this in itself is proof that over unity exists in inertial mass and power could be extracted at no cost."

Are you saying this device is PROOF of OU or not?

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2014, 10:21:28 PM »
Except that you *couldn't* set up a balance beam like that and if you could - you could easily extract energy from it.

Except if you didn't extract any energy from it, is it still an over unity device? You put the weights on the scale by hand, how can that be over unity?


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So the question is why does it *appear* (to you anyway) as if you had and why is there no obvious way to exploit this?

There is an obvious way, you only think the weight problem works because you think you see the answer.  Just because you don't see the answer to this device you simply conclude it must not work, though it is working in a similar fashion.

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A test usually involves a hypothesis and it's unclear what yours is and if these forces are "applied" what is applying them other than the battery?  Perhaps I miss the point of OU "research" but it's unclear how this is even a candidate for an OU device.  There is no explanation of what you are trying to falsify and the device's operation seems to be fully explained by "There is a battery attached to a motor".Dude.  You said: "then this in itself is proof that over unity exists in inertial mass and power could be extracted at no cost."

Are you saying this device is PROOF of OU or not?

I do consider it proof that over unity exists in inertial mass, but I never said it was an over unity device.
This was only a test of a possible OU principal. The results were as expected. I plan to move on and attempt to extract energy from the inertial mass principal.
Just give it a rest! If you don't understand what you have just seen, then simply look the other way and say it must not work.









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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2014, 11:33:16 PM »
You put the weights on the scale by hand, how can that be over unity?
The reason for it to be OU would be because you would get more work out than you put in.  Putting a weight on a lever by hand is "putting something in".   It seems obvious, to me anyway that anything claiming to be OU would have to exhibit a behavior which requires greater energy than is claimed to have gone in.  If I could somehow place a 10Kg weight on a lever and get the equivalent force of putting 100Kg dropped from the same spot.  That would seem to qualify.
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you only think the weight problem works because you think you see the answer.  Just because you don't see the answer to this device you simply conclude it must not work,
Wrong on so many levels it's almost like you're trying.  I don't think the "weight problem" works.  I don't think levers can be set up to gain OU.  However if you could place a 10Kg weight on a lever and produce, on the other side (or after going through several levers and weights) produce force equivalent to placing a 100Kg weight at the same height and dropping it.  I think that exploiting that would be conceptually obvious.
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I do consider it proof that over unity exists in inertial mass, but I never said it was an over unity device. This was only a test of a possible OU principal.
I'm confused.  Is it a possible principle or a proved one?  How can something which produces no excess energy be a proved principle of OU?  Does OU mean something other than getting more energy out than you put in?  Does "proved" mean something other than "demonstrated in some way"?
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Just give it a rest! If you don't understand what you have just seen, then simply look the other way and say it must not work.
Uh...no.  I'm saying I don't see how this test is indicative of anything to do with OU.  I think it's pretty minimal to require that a device claiming to prove a principle of overunity must produce more energy than is put in.

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #117 on: January 15, 2014, 12:10:35 AM »
Whatever ::) just take the sticks as they fall.

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #118 on: January 15, 2014, 04:32:27 AM »
Whatever ::) just take the sticks as they fall.
Can you at least tell me where the extra energy is supposed to be coming from?

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Re: Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped
« Reply #119 on: January 16, 2014, 07:28:04 PM »
What are the odds?

I was at an Arby's in Greensburg, Indiana, yesterday, stopping for lunch while on my way to some business meetings near there.  They have a large spiral coin funnel thingy collecting money for charity.  I took a moment to read the label on the funnel and it was manufactured by Divnick International in Miamisburg, Ohio.  That was a shocker for me because that is the city where I work!  I looked up divnick.com and it links directly to the spiralwishingwells.com website.  Same company.  And only about 3 miles from where I am sitting right now.

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