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Author Topic: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets  (Read 73410 times)

Offline gammarayburst

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VERY important note
« Reply #150 on: March 20, 2015, 08:20:15 PM »
The magnets are always moved to the up angle part of the work bar BEFORE the bars are moved left or right. VERY important!

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VERY important note
« Reply #150 on: March 20, 2015, 08:20:15 PM »

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Re: VERY important note
« Reply #151 on: March 20, 2015, 09:50:36 PM »
The magnets are always moved to the up angle part of the work bar BEFORE the bars are moved left or right. VERY important!
I think you overlook some details in the practical operation of this device. Magnetism will attract or repel other magnets with different force depending of the presence of magnetic materials. Magnetic materials will also attract or repel other magnetic materials depending on the presence of magnets and their magnetic orientation. This presence, far away or in close vicinity will finally account for all forces in the cycle.


So, just to correct some "important" instructions, it does not matter how you order the left/right thing. It will not work.


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Re: VERY important note
« Reply #152 on: March 20, 2015, 10:08:31 PM »
I think you overlook some details in the practical operation of this device. Magnetism will attract or repel other magnets with different force depending of the presence of magnetic materials. Magnetic materials will also attract or repel other magnetic materials depending on the presence of magnets and their magnetic orientation. This presence, far away or in close vicinity will finally account for all forces in the cycle.


So, just to correct some "important" instructions, it does not matter how you order the left/right thing. It will not work.


Vidar
You are incorrect.

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Re: VERY important note
« Reply #152 on: March 20, 2015, 10:08:31 PM »
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Question?  see attached
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This sequence will not work because the level part of the work bars is not extended out past the lower assembly in one of the steps.
Butch

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Re: VERY important note
« Reply #154 on: March 20, 2015, 10:52:30 PM »
You are incorrect.
Nope. I suggest you try a very simple experiment:
Take 10 marbles and devide the number in to two groups of 5 marbles.
1. Move the first group to the left, and then back BEFORE you move the second group to the right and then back.
2. Move the first group to the left, and then back AFTER you move the second group to the right and then back.[/size]
How many marbles do you have after 1. and 2. experiment? I guess you still have 10 marbles in total. You can arrange these marbles in any way you want, but you will still have 10 marbles to play with.


The same applies to magnetism. You cannot "destroy" or "create" the total flux from a magnet on your demand without energy inputs.
In a closed system there is no change in the sum of forces due to magnetism.


You can prove me wrong if you do a practical experiment with the design you recently came up with - or play with those marbles. Doesn't matter. If you end up in having a working device, or end up with 11 or more marbles after experimenting with the initial 10 pcs, I will be convinced that you're right.


Sorry, but I don't believe anything before I can see it before my own eyes.


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Re: VERY important note
« Reply #154 on: March 20, 2015, 10:52:30 PM »
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Re: VERY important note
« Reply #155 on: March 20, 2015, 11:36:08 PM »
Nope. I suggest you try a very simple experiment:
Take 10 marbles and devide the number in to two groups of 5 marbles.
1. Move the first group to the left, and then back BEFORE you move the second group to the right and then back.
2. Move the first group to the left, and then back AFTER you move the second group to the right and then back.[/size]
How many marbles do you have after 1. and 2. experiment? I guess you still have 10 marbles in total. You can arrange these marbles in any way you want, but you will still have 10 marbles to play with.


The same applies to magnetism. You cannot "destroy" or "create" the total flux from a magnet on your demand without energy inputs.
In a closed system there is no change in the sum of forces due to magnetism.


You can prove me wrong if you do a practical experiment with the design you recently came up with - or play with those marbles. Doesn't matter. If you end up in having a working device, or end up with 11 or more marbles after experimenting with the initial 10 pcs, I will be convinced that you're right.


Sorry, but I don't believe anything before I can see it before my own eyes.


Vidar
Marbles? What about the trillions of "marbles" inside the marbles with electrons in orbit around each?

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@GammarayBurst

               very cool
I just want to make certain that I have  understood the sequence correctly.

                         please find the attached file "PS Mar 20. jpeg"
                         
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Floor, I like your sequence drawings but a little more is needed.
1. a pivot for the bars
2. what makes the bars slide left and right?
3. Where is the work done by the metal attraction?
4. what makes the magnets slide back and forth?

Then until all these forces are measured its only an idea on paper
and I have MANY paper drawn ideas that failed the measurement tests.

no measurements - no proof - PERIOD

Norman

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The following is based on a magnet attracted to metal and a spring
for power storage.

the further you pull a spring the more work potential you can store
in that spring.

that stored power can then be used right away..
and if you use a magnet to pull that spring then
its free if you can escape the magnet sticky spot....


1. the power source is the magnet
2. the power is stored in the spring for later use
3. more power is available from the lever connection
   matching the spring and magnetic characteristics.
   
   
4. and the escape is via the Lafonte slider..... what post?
  it works because its magnet to metal attraction which is
  escapeable whereas  magnet to magnet that is not escapeable...
 
5. the reset/repeat would be available by the power stored
   from the magnet in the spring.... if the efficiency is
   over 200%   100% to  mechanically return/reset and
   100% to start the process over again...
   I would use 2 springs for each portion of that...
 
I have achieved excess work out over work in but not enough over 200%
to reset and repeat the process...

 The following idea is what started all of the above.
 
 
gammarayburst: said on  September 06, 2013, 06:06:52 AM ยป

Norman, it will slide so easy you could push it with a feather.
 Think of sliding a magnet down the side of a file cabinet with an air
  gap of .003" between the magnet and metal side. That is what I base the
  whole Pseudo Solid principle on. It won't grab on to anything till it
  gets to the end of the metal cabinet. There is no end with the bars
  in this. I have many video's showing this on youtube at the LaFonte
  Research and LaFonte Group site for 5 years now. Think of a magnet
   sliding down the front of your refrigerator door. The only reason it
    does not slide all the time is because of the friction between it
     and the door surface. Put an air gap of .003" between the two and
      watch it slide down like a rock being dropped.

Butch

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@GammarayBurst

               very cool
I just want to make certain that I have  understood the sequence correctly.

                         please find the attached file "PS Mar 20. jpeg"
                         
                        stay cool
                             floor
Floor, yes, the sequence is correct. Remember it can have more than one magnet if you like. Saturation must also be considered.
Thanks Floor, Butch

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@Norman6538

Yep

I don't personally think Butch has accurately described the force needed to move the magnets in
some of his videos when he says they can be moved with a feather.  At the same time the videos
clearly show that it doesn't take a lot of force to do what he is describing, so it doesn't really bother
me very much.

It is important to understand that how much DISTANCE each FORCE is applied over is what defines the work.
(displacement multiplied by force)

In the design at hand, there are 3 force times displacement actions to measure.

1. moving the magnet (pseudo solid fashion) WORK IN
2. sliding the bent bar set and magnet (perhaps on wheels) WORK IN
3. attraction of the bar set / magnet to the base  (work out)

Butch is only measuring these motions by feel and so on.  It appears to me that the results of his measurements
provide good enough evidence to support making quantitative / precise measurements.

I would like to quantitatively measure them at some time in the future, if some one else doesn't
beat me to it.  I don't think Butch has to do this, or that you have to either.

But if you do,  I sure would appreciate if I could see the methods used and results of it.

As to what method or device can be used to cause the 2 input motions and to utilize the output motion ?

I agree with Butch, that these are just a matter of standard engineering application, no big deal,
unless of course one sees some advantage to a particular or perhaps novel method.

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Floating magnets
« Reply #161 on: March 21, 2015, 08:11:02 PM »
In the Pseudo Solid design, if the magnet poles maintain an equal spacing from the ferro-magnetic material (.005"), the magnet will be in a floating state.
The equal but opposite forces will cancel each out and it will be so easy to move that blowing on it will move it. The only resistance to movement will be eddy current drag but the eddy currents can be reduced to near zero with proper material selection and design of the material configuration. Keeping a .005" air gap will take precision machining and proper design of the machine. The most amazing thing about Pseudo Solid design to me is that you can design a generator using it but when you put a voltage current through the generator's coils using an external power source, the generator will not motor.
This is a very good indication I feel because if it did motor then it would probably mean that as a generator it would have "drag".
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

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Floating Work Bars
« Reply #162 on: March 21, 2015, 08:26:01 PM »
In my latest design the work bars are spaced .005" above the lower assembly. If eddy currents are reduced to near zero as present art allows then with proper machine design the bars can move with an amount of work so low that it does not need at this point to even be put in the equation. If two machines are configured in such a way that the pull on the work bars is like the magnets, equal but opposite, then the bars will be "floating" also.
The amount of work needed as input would be less than 1% compared to output. Also remember most all work put into the bars shows up as kinetic energy and can be recovered to a large degree.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

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I need a 3D animation so bad on my latest design. Please help!
« Reply #163 on: March 21, 2015, 10:28:51 PM »
I need a 3D animation so bad on my latest design. Please help!
Butch

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Note: Hysteresis loss in Pseudo Solid design
« Reply #164 on: March 22, 2015, 12:13:13 AM »
I am also aware of possible hysteresis loss in the Pseudo Solid system and I am aware it would have to be designed for low loss as in a transformer. [/color][/font][/size]

 

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