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Author Topic: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets  (Read 88701 times)

norman6538

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Thanks Butch.
I missed the coils in that drawing cause they were not labeled.

It sure has flux switching on and off.
and hopefully no or little drag....
go for it.

Norman

gammarayburst

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Thanks Butch.
I missed the coils in that drawing cause they were not labeled.

It sure has flux switching on and off.
and hopefully no or little drag....
go for it.

Norman
Thanks Norman, I'm going to continue to post designs till I have a working design so simple that a 5th grader can build one for 5 dollars.

norman6538

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Butch are there eddy currents in the design above. I think eddy currents come from
current flowing but in many of your designs the mag flux changes but no current flows
and thus no eddy current loss problems. That in itself is a great advantage.

Norman

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See my sketch (made on e-book, edited in paint, sorry for that).
The idea is start with an E-core, remove some in the middle to place the magnet, and now stick the 3 parts in between the two rotating half disks. Of course we would like to have many pieces, not just 2, but i am not able to draw that.
My idea is that as disk 1 is leaving arms 1 and 2, disk 2 is (with the same speed) inserting itself in arms 2 and 3, and thus transferring the flux from arms 1+2 to 2+3. This will induce useful power in the coils. I do not know if the Lenz effect will give drag.

gyulasun

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Butch are there eddy currents in the design above. I think eddy currents come from
current flowing but in many of your designs the mag flux changes but no current flows
and thus no eddy current loss problems. That in itself is a great advantage.

Norman

Hi Norman,

I think eddy currents come from changing flux in a solid ferromagnetic core (the changing flux may originate from a coil wound on that core or from an outside source like a moving magnet near that core).
This means that in Butch's setups the rotation of the rotor causes a flux change in the volume, in the mass of the core (and here the word core includes both the stator and the rotor cores)  so they must have either laminated core or ferrite core or metglass core which has a restricted electric current conducting ability.  A solid core which can conduct electric current in its volume all the way in every direction is destined to have eddy losses.  (This is why a normal off the shelf transformer has laminated core and not a solid one.)

Gyula

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See my sketch (made on e-book, edited in paint, sorry for that).
The idea is start with an E-core, remove some in the middle to place the magnet, and now stick the 3 parts in between the two rotating half disks. Of course we would like to have many pieces, not just 2, but i am not able to draw that.
My idea is that as disk 1 is leaving arms 1 and 2, disk 2 is (with the same speed) inserting itself in arms 2 and 3, and thus transferring the flux from arms 1+2 to 2+3. This will induce useful power in the coils. I do not know if the Lenz effect will give drag.

Hi deslomeslager,

I think that only an actual build can answer the Lenz effect question you ask,  basically there have to be Lenz but how severe or not it may be, a test can tell.

On a Russian site I found another solution for flux switching, the principle is similar to what you show, only the mechanical setup is different, see the attachment.  To reduce cogging due to the assymetry of the rotor with respect to its shaft, exactly another setup could be built on the other side of the shaft on which there would be two rotor bars then, in 180 degree position. When one of the bars closes the lower magnetic circuit on the left side as shown in the picture below, the other bar just closes the upper magnetic circuit (not shown) on the right side.

Gyula

EDIT  this is the link to the site I took the attached picture from:
http://www.skif.biz/index.php?name=Pages&op=page&pid=19   

norman6538

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Thank you Guyla for your two replies. Its just too bad we have all these no Lenz ideas
and patents floating around and not has prooved itself yet. Just think if we could make
elec just for the mechanical rotation costs... It would cost a fraction of what we have
and we'd all be driving electrical cars and trucks.

I loved those two "archiv" animated gifs down the page of the Russian site.
But how would you efficiently move the magnet or metal to accomplish that?

So many ideas, drawing, patents but not working enough to go into production.

The world needs a major energy breakthru....
I have worked hard at it for maybe 15 years and so has Butch......


Norman

gyulasun

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Hi Norman,

you wrote:
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  Its just too bad we have all these no Lenz ideas and patents floating around and not has prooved itself yet.   

Sorry but I am not sure whether the setup I referred to on the Russian site has no Lenz effect, only careful tests can give answers.  I showed it because its mechanical construction may prove simpler than the one in the drawing with the two half circle rotated cores to steer the magnetic flux on the top of this page.  This may be relative of course, I think it is simpler...

I am also unsure on the workings of the two animated gif files you fancied, how "metal valves could be used for switching the magnetic gap between the stationary magnet and coil" (this is how the relevant Russian text translates by google). It continues: "You can move the small flap with much less energy than rotating the entire magnet."   So the small flap is the part of the valve which is supposed to steer the flux of the magnet towards or away from the core.  Again, how much energy is needed to control the valve can only be found by tests. 

You surely know the Flynn parallel path flux switching setup, the one which has no moving components and the input coils steer the flux of two permanent magnets towards the output coils.  I am also unsure on such setup's Lenz behaviour though, (the input and output coils are placed in the same magnetic path of the same core so the bemf of the load reflects at the input for sure). 
There is a drawing from year 2006 in the Photos section of Minato wheel yahoo group, uploaded by 'shavekitty', which shows a close mechanical equivalent of the parallel path setup, by rotating a diametrically magnetized cylinder magnet in the middle part of the paralleled cores, see the attachment below.
The output coils are not shown but regardless of this, I am not sure on a lenzless behaviour of this kind of flux switching, perhaps Lenz is a 'little less pronounced' in this than in the motionless parallel path setup.  Of course, the parallel path principle to sum up the total flux of the magnets in the 'output' part of the core does work  but how this increased flux could be utilized without reflecting back to the input side is the question.

Gyula

gammarayburst

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Pseudo Solid Motor
« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2015, 05:15:48 AM »
See attached, I will post operation tomorrow, it's late.

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See attached

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Correction to rotor end view. New proof of over unity fixture.
« Reply #130 on: March 14, 2015, 02:50:22 AM »
See attached

gammarayburst

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Pseudo Solid SMOT
« Reply #131 on: March 16, 2015, 05:10:53 PM »
See attached, Thanks, Butch LaFonte

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Pseudo Solid SMOT # 2
« Reply #132 on: March 16, 2015, 07:40:34 PM »
See attached

gammarayburst

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See Saw
« Reply #133 on: March 18, 2015, 07:40:53 PM »
See attached

Low-Q

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I think you need to build something soon, Butch. Ideas cannot provide energy to the world - only when they are implemented - if they work...


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