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Author Topic: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets  (Read 68461 times)

Offline dieter

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If I didn't misunderstand you then that's exactly what I plan to do. The rotating magnet is rotating constantly. As the rotor approaches the upper arm, that magnet approaches as well. The closer the rotor gets, the closer is also that magnet, increasing the attraction.


The problem so far is: the "mobile" magnet must pass by the static magnet. As both shafts are connected with gears, the attraction of the rotor will help to overcome the repelling force between mobile and static magnet.


If the mobile magnet once has passed by the static magnet, it will be pushed away, taking the rotor with it.


Material properties  really have a vital impact. Low saturation of the plates may help to ease the passing by of the magnets, yet the entire tip of the horseshoe must feature an opposite pole to be able to push away the rotor, as soon as the mobile magnet once has passed over to the rotor.
.I wish I had a real shop...


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Offline dieter

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Today I've lost two hours in trying to make one of my "famous" wooden gears, using industrial grade plywood, only to realize that the layers are glued together just barely. Instead of 36 theeth it had like 28  :o ...


But I'm gettin there, slowly but steadily. I'm using a two arms rotor, so the gears translation is 1:2.


This puppy's gonna run on 4 Skate bearings, so there will be plenty of friction. However, if I can test the principle, esp. the pseudosolid effect (quasi polarity exchange) in step 2/3, then it does its job.


An other idea (maybe that's what you meant, Butch) would be, if the static and the mobile magnet are alternating in their purpose, so the mobile magnet would not pass by the static one, but instead kick it to the rotor and then become the new "static" for one cycle, only to be kicked and become the mobile one again in the next cycle (I doubt anyone has understood this :D bit hard to explain), but it would definitely be hard to build. And the by-passing method isn't requiring more energy, because all the force we need to pass by will be returned, like in an elastic spring.


BR

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I did explain that, does anybody read my stuff at all?  ;D


   I do.    Keep up the good and interesting work, dieter.

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Offline gammarayburst

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" And the by-passing method isn't requiring more energy, because all the force we need to pass by will be returned, like in an elastic spring."


BR

BR, My tests showed that when the air gaps at the magnet poles were as small as .005" that the magnets did not repel or attract when passing close to each other. This is when they are between two iron bars. I believe one of my videos shows that. I will look it up and post link.
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Yes, I've seen that. It may indeed mostly neutralize attraction and repelling in your setup, but depending on the geometry there may still be some effects, although weaker. The thickness of the iron bars is important. In my case of the thin sheet metal I clearly still get a repelling force. I hope I can test the principle nevertheless.


@Mark, thanks.


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Offline profitis

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@gammarayburst out of curiosity did you ever manage to witness a self-sustaining magnetic device giving repeated full cycles at a gain?

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Hope you don't mind if I answer.


The fact that something doesn't exist doesn't mean it is impossible.


For instance mankind had fire, metal etc. for thousands of years, and the following things have always been possible: Vacoom cleaners, Cars, Airplanes, TV, Cellphones, Spaceflight.


These things, among others, have always been possible. But it took some genious minds to actually invent them. They didn't drop from the sky into the hands of the scepticals.


What is really interesting here is the quint essence of pseudosolid ferromagnetics. We wouldn't research in this field if it wasn't promising, after doing all kinds of experiments with magnets for like 30 years.


So if you have doubts, specific arguments are certainly welcome.


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Offline profitis

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No I just want to know if he's seen anything as he works with magnets all the time.maybe a penulum or motor,smot or something etc..btw @dieter what did you do with your gold leafs?

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I still got most of the goldleafs, tho I was using a bit for electrodes.


@all: I've made some tests with a very crude setup. All I can say at this moment is, keeping a magnet between two pieces of iron, maintaining an airgap on both sides, is extremly difficult, esp. with a magnet that sits at the perimeter of a rotor. Even in a rather rigid construction, the slightest freedom of the bearings will cause the magnet to stick to one side. Which results in extreme friction. Therefor it is essential to prevent that, eg. by a wheels system such as in Floor's PDF, or with a high efficiency lubrication.


Furthermore, the attraction and repulsion of the rotor results in horizontal changes of pressure between the synchronizsation gears, causing further friction. Tho, a rigid construction (my wooden base was slightly flexible) may prevent that, but still, the gears are not a perfect solution.


I can however confirm that the rotor is repelled, once the magnet has passed over to it. But that was to be expected. I can not say which force was stronger and if there was any net gain, simply because the friction was too high, due to the magnet sticking to one metal sheet, on both, the rotor as well as the horseshoe...


I have to think about how to implement this in a better way, to prevent the mentioned complications.


BR


BTW. A guy named Nick Moore has an interesting tube vid about using ferrofluid for lubrication of permanent magnets. Although, it's a bit of a mess, it get's extremly slippry.


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No I just want to know if he's seen anything as he works with magnets all the time.maybe a penulum or motor,smot or something etc..btw @dieter what did you do with your gold leafs?
Profitis, No I never in my life have seen a true self sustaining magnet motor. I do feel that if I had the funding I would have one based on the Pseudo Solid Effect. The power in to the power out is so positive it would for sure work. Building a machine that can maintain .005" air gaps will cost a lot of money.

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Profitis, No I never in my life have seen a true self sustaining magnet motor. I do feel that if I had the funding I would have one based on the Pseudo Solid Effect. The power in to the power out is so positive it would for sure work. Building a machine that can maintain .005" air gaps will cost a lot of money.

I'd fund it, if you could quantify the above statement with accurate measurements.

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Offline profitis

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@dieter weigh and shove the gold leaf and a chunk pyrolusite into soda ash sol and chek for faradays law.you'l get a shock.@gammarayburst well sir I suspect if you begin to investigate these ideas in relation to electromagnetism you might just tilt past that thin red line into ou territory.concentrate on using different materials too eg cobalt,nickel,bismuth and interesting things might happen.I was just discussing the smot device the other day and suggested using a nickel ball instead of the usual iron.different materials react differently to a magnetic field.I suspect even paramagnetic materials eg titanium may be worth investigating

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@LibreEnergia / GammaRayburst

I would be interested and willing to diagram and illustrate a set of measurement procedures
methods and simple devices that will quantify the forces at play in a specific
"pseudo solid" interaction.

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@Gammarayburst

Here is a rough outline of a measureing process.

It would be up to you  to decide on which or
what Psuedo Solid operations to measure, as well
as the specifics of magnets types, steel bar sizes
and so on.

Please find the attached file P S measureing.PDF

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@Gammarayburst

Here is a rough outline of a measureing process.

It would be up to you  to decide on which or
what Psuedo Solid operations to measure, as well
as the specifics of magnets types, steel bar sizes
and so on.

Please find the attached file P S measureing.PDF

                             cheers
                               floor
Floor, I am having trouble understanding what is being measured and where the work in and work out takes place?
Butch


 

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